His ass is getting neg-bombed of this site after gloated about what this article was going to be about.
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
His ass is getting neg-bombed of this site after gloated about what this article was going to be about.
Exactly what I was thinking-- WTF was all that about prostitutes and whatnot in 10 posts a day from that guy? I had to read the article twice before I was sure I wasn't missing some paragraph where all the really nasty stuff was printed. SI's best investigative journalist dug that deep and only came back, basically, with more tats and a rigged raffle in the 80s?
Holy hell, if I were OSU, I'd rehire the guy after reading this. This is cleaner than most coaches in Div, I.
i was underwhlemed as everyone else, but according to the video at the end of the article dohrmann was only in columbus for 2 weeks. if he dug this up in two weeks im assuming there is still much more to be discovered.
at least thats what im hoping...
Damn, sorry about the grammatical errors in my post. I was hitting the bottle pretty hard earlier today. My question still stands, where's BILG???
If that's the same BILG who somehow established credibility during the Rich Rodriguez search and somehow convinced everyone Les Miles would be the next coach... maybe you weren't regular readers back then, but: fool me twice, not gonna get fooled again, as they say.
Pulitzer Prize? Only if they make a category for Most Overhyped. Even then, it's tough to beat Jonathan Franzen.
Woah. Jonathan Franzen delivers.
The Corrections is amazing, but I was a little disappointed that I waited 8 years for "Freedom."
For 2 pages, I felt this was just a fluffier version of the post from last night I found the link to here. That post was from another UM blog (mostly sarcastic or some such name, I think).
Then page 3 came along....
Items for drugs? High dollar gear on a regular basis? A Tahoe for tickets? 28 freaking players that are already named, and a distinct expectation of more to come?
I'll try to make this the last time I say it but Clarett is sounding a lot like Jose Canseco to me.
Is that this what has become of the game I love.
This isn't really anything new, just more. I wonder if some stuff got cut for lack of soild proof.
Is there any chance this investigation means Clarrett is taken more seriously? Will that affect anything?
where did this thread go for half an hour?
I'm waiting for Justin Boren to start tweeting about family values...
Re Boren...I bet Rich Rodriguez is smiling, somewhere right now. I hope Boren's little brother likes not going to bowl games.
The story advances the ball about five yards. That even more players were involved in tatt-fest is something, but so what? Can't get all that up in arms about kids selling jerseys for tatts (or joints). And we already knew most of the stuff about Tressel. For an article titled "How Deep It Went," it didn't go very.
We've stepped up the pressure for Lack of Institutional Control and established the long-term nature of Tressel's players' malfeasance. How much longer can the ignorance defense hold up? The document hunt is more critical than ever to advance the ball further, especially before the next NCAA ruling.
"His most memorable acquisition was a scarlet-and-gray training jacket with between 10 and 15 signatures on it, including Tressel's."
Interesting. Why would a head coach sign a player's training jacket? Sounds to me like Tressel not only had knowledge of these deals, but actually helped to facilitate them.
I think that could be very tough to explain.
to sign a jacket if he suspected that it would be sold by a player. That, or he thought he was bulletproof.
I'm still waiting for:
Sex for players and recruits
and there wasn't much on the car dealership information either
Here's what I took away from it ... boosters and a tattoo artist had control of this program through the last few years, not Jim Tressel. As a coach, he is to be in control of his team, and he completely lost that control. It wasn't just a few guys in one year; it was multiple guys over his entire head coaching tenure getting money, tattoos, cars, and illegal drugs.
I was not disappointed one bit. Good, good read. I believe, though, that more will come to light as NCAA investigators sniff around.
You don't name names if you don't have the goods. If I were in Columbus right now I'd be wondering about the fate of these other 9 players who also happened to participate in the 'TateGate". For Chrissakes, how many hours a day were these artists working just to tattoo the players?
So Maurice Clarett is discredited because he's a lowlife felon. And this Dustin Halko will probably be discredited too, on account of being a lowlife felon. Eddie Rife is a lowlife felon. These are the guys who have the most dirt on the program and are willing to sing, but Bucknuts will probably dismiss them as the lying rants of dirtbag lowlifes.
Which sort of raises the question: why are there so many dirtbag lowlifes associated with the OSU program?
If this is true you would think it points to a serious lack of institutional control. The sheer number of players is damaging enough. If the NCAA investigation corroborates the story they'll be slammed for that alone. I was disappointed more wasn't revealed (I am anxiously awaiting more on Pryor's garage) but it was still eye opening.
I am just hoping that the series of three asterisks that appear in several places in the story are places where paragraphs with really damning details are omitted until the story hits in print.
I thought that was the most damning bit of the article as far as character evidence. Here is a former OSU assistant saying (or at least implying) that he witnessed Tressel personally undertake an affirmative, dishonest action for the sake of gaining an advantage in recruiting. It may fall outside of the NCAA statute of limitations and it is smaller than the benefits that players were receiving from the tattoo parlor but it shows Tressel doing more than just tolerating vioations. It shows his active participation in a violation.
Oh, get some perspective. That raffle anecdote is just about the lamest "violation" I've ever heard of.
A five-star kid from Toledo goes to a Michigan camp and an OSU camp. He walks away from the Michigan camp with nothing but he leaves the OSU camp with a jersey signed by OSU players. He gets this jersey because an OSU coach rigged a game of chance so that the jersey - paid for by a bunch of unwitting high school kids - goes to him. That doesn't sound bad?
As for the use of the word "anecdote," it's coming from a former Ohio State assistant who ran the camp with Tressel.
The news wasn't juicy but the results from the story are explosive. Tressel? Canned. Pryor? Done. 2010 and maybe other seasons? Wiped out. tUOS? Compared to the SEC :o) Gene Smith? Lack of Institutional Control.
Tressel has no authenticity whatsoever. He knows exactly what he did and how to use a public image to try to build credibility. He thought his external credibility could be used to always say "Who has more credibility?". Of course the answer would be Tressel.
This goes on in all walks of life and it eventually fails. It is not a good long term strategy. Of course he did make a lot of money so maybe he got what he wanted after all. I'm sure he did some good things for people along the way but I will always believe it was done for manipulative purposes. I can't stand straight up fake ass liars and that is how I will always remember him.
It makes me even more happy with Hoke who I believe is a genuine, authentic person. Not sure he could act any different even if he wanted to.
You are full of shit.
Just to further confirm my stance,
For those who are unaware:
(the link on my browser brings it back up to the top of the page, go down to BILF's post)
pretty, pretty, pretty good!
I'm sure in the vest's mind all the good he felt he was doing justified or outweighed the wrongs. His little internal right/wrong sensor had a snooze button and he kept hitting it.
The scriptures teach that if someone hears God's Word but doesn't do it, he deceives himself.
At the end of Jesus most comprehensive lesson in the Gospels, the Sermon on the Mount, He tells a parable about two builders. The first, hears the sayings of Jesus and does them. His life is like a house built on the rock. And when the storms of life come and beat on his house, it stands because of his integrity.
The second hears the sayings of Jesus but doesn't do them. His life is like the man who buids his house on the sand.
"and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
I know many have posited that they will be without additional players... But given the NCAA's history in dealing with these things, there's every possibility no further sanctions would come down for the coming season.
I'm not saying they might not eventually get hit with (hopefully a lot) more. But the Aug 12 hearing is specifically related to Tressel breaking rule 10.1. The NCAA would either have to push back the hearing and broaden its investigation or start a new investigation into the new allegations. In either case nothing would likely come down in the way of sanctions for awhile.
Look at USC. That story first broke in 06 (with infractions going back to 04) and they are not going to start serving most of their penalties until next year. That's 6 years they've been dealing with the case.
I don't think this case will last that long. But realistically if the NCAA *is* going to dig deeper (as I'm sure we all hope they do), it's gonna take time.
The lack of any big bombshells doesn't make this article any less damning. The devil is in the details and there's no way any serious person can paint this as "a few dumb kids and their coach taking the fall for them".
It basically breaks down, documents, and exposes a widespread culture of corruption going back a very long time. This knowledge going from esoteric suspicions to mainstream "facts" is not a small thing IMO.
I accidently up-voted your post (wasn't trying to vote on it either way)...
There are new sources... Either giving new, or corroborating old info. Which I tend to assume are credible (at least for the most part) based on the reputation of the author.
Sure, the article didn't implicate OSU in the Kennedy assassination or feature pictures of Tressel blowing up the Deep Water Horizon with illegal fireworks he purchased from al Qaeda. But think of the events of the day:
As Ice Cube would say if he were a Michigan fan, today was a good day. Coming into today, a realistic best case scenario would have been that the SI article was big enough to cost Tressel his job and bring OSU further into the NCAA's crosshairs.
There has to be more in the print version. Just has to be.
Is the best fucking day to be a Michigan fan!
I don't know, the 1997 National Championship was pretty good...
somehow evade the torpedoes fired from the SI article. The 2nd spread fired by the Buckeye's own Terrelle Pryor may hit home. The independent investigation by the NCAA for improper benefits is a major plot line. Ohio State may not be able to escape this one.
Pictures of Tressel getting spanked by Marv Albert while stuffing $100 bills in Pryor's g-string? It shows that there have been ongoing problems of payments of all sorts that players were clued in about showing a lack of institutional control for almost a decade. Considering over half the board thought he as a great guy and had never heard of problems at Youngstown State before, no more the general public, just a little while ago, having this in print in big. Sounds like more a case of overacting imaginations than a disappointing article. Same people that are disappointed when watching those Ghost Hunter shows or search for Bigfoot when they dont actually find a haunted UFO or whatever.
"Did you hear that? What was that?"
/Run, run, run ...
"Dude, I totally thought I heard something coming from over here. It sounded like the buzz of a tat needle."
It's because the majority of the article was based on past information, which was already well known to college football fans and the NCAA or could really just be attributed to "dumb kids".
There wasn't really anything particularly indictive about Tressel or the university, at least in the eyes of a fan. Perhaps in the eyes of the NCAA, which is all well and good, but not for me. I don't find myself feeling too pleased if I have to use the NCAA as the standard of right and wrong and what's legal and what's not legal.
But really, the biggest disappoinment is that there was nothing to trump "Tressel lied". I wanted something like Ted Ginn Sr. funneling players into Ohio State to show that the program and the coach were corrupt and that they had gained some real advantage on the field. That didn't appear, other than possibly Maurice Clarett, which we already knew about and which the NCAA reacted to by doing nothing to OSU.
Also, just the fact that the guy acted as if he was dropping some bombshell, when in reality 90% of the information was just rehashed and the stuff that was new didn't prove that Tressel or OSU knew about it. The dealings with the tattoo parlor, Baker and Gamble, the tickets for the Tahoe, etc....What are you going to do? Watch the kids all the time, 24/7? If they are told they can get free stuff for trading their personal possessions that they earned, even if that is amazingly against the rules, they are still going to do it if they think they aren't going to get caught. That is college kids everywhere, not just OSU football players.
It was a really nice summary, but it wasn't the groundbreaking journalism that this guy was hinting at when he said Tressel's resignation would make sense.
Hopefully something better comes out in the next few weeks.
... there is a lot more to come -- it just hasn't been investigated yet. SI just made complete fools out of OSU Compliance. In just two weeks the reporter found 22 more memorabilia for tats and weed guys and came across one improper vehicle -- after a "thorough" OSU investigation on both. I think with the NCAA now questionning Pryor's use of automobiles, the media will decend on Columbus like sharks in a feeding frenzy. Remember, we now know a lot about the tats problems. Next, we will learn about the automobiles. Thereafter???
This article made it clear Tressel AND OSU Compliance were looking the other way or just playing ignorant hoping it would all stay "in the family." I think we all know it is downright impossible to keep everything in the family. Eventually, someone will talk.
This could be the article that starts even more investigating byu showing that:
1) The corruption started well before the tatgate revelations back to when he started at OSU, and even earlier to his says at Youngstown State.
2) That even after coming clean on the coverup that there were many more than just the 6 players that were cited whose names were given to OSU by the Justice Department in their investigated of Fine Line Ink.
3) That there is much more in players receiving cars.
I'm sure the media sharks will start circling by knowing there is more to uncover.
This isn't the end of it and I expect more pieces to come out as more evidence is uncovered and as more people start talking now that Tressel is gone.