but at some point where the game's in control. It'll be interesting to see who goes in 1st. I love me some Tater, but I think Devin's the future and #2. Don't know how Tate will handle that going forward.
Should Tate start next week?
There is also part of me that thinks Rich Rod is much much smarter than we have all give him credit for. Time has provided me more of an opportunity to look into this man's mind and I must tell you, I am starting to believe he is the smartest guy in the room. His "aw shucks" country boy spiel aside, this guy is smart.
Why do I say that? I believe Tate is probably a long way away from being designated #2 knowing that that may cause the new starter to be constantly be looking over his shoulder. Tate still has a fairly sizable fan following to say little of the overzealous, demanding family that he comes from. RR wants Denard totally comfortable and he likely knows that putting as much distance between Tate and seat 1 will go along way towards doing that.
Besides Denard has proven that he deserves to be comfortably #1. From his play on to field to the way that he has conducted himself off the field, Denard has earned the right to be comfortable. Keeping Devin at 2 likely helps with that objective.
I learned from his pre-game interview yesterday that he had great grades and considered a career in law. He's no dummy.
Are you serious about this, or am I missing the joke?
Why do you have a picture of Brian as your avatar? That threw me a little.
Why the hell would we burn Tate's redshirt against UMass?
They way RR has been shuttling in Devin Gardner, I'm starting to wonder if this isn't a real option. If Tate never sees the field this year, we can retroactively redshirt him can't we?
You can redshirt anyone in any year I believe. Woolfolk should have the same opportunity (although his is due to injury).
Denard will take the first snap and probably the first few series providing M takes a sizable lead. Everyone else will then get playing time. Hopefully Jack Kennedy takes the victory knee.
Denard plays until the 1st half is over or we are up by 28+, whichever comes first.
Denard should get the first half, unless it's a complete blowout. Tate and Devin can split up the second half.
Jack Kennedy should start.
Denard should start and play until we are up 14-21 points (probably first quarter) and then alternate Devin and Tate.
Denard still needs to get his timing down better with the receivers on the longer throws. In the ND game he overthrew several open receivers on what would have been big gains or TDs.
For starters, the long passing game needs work. You keep Denard in until we have a comfortable lead, and then substitute. We also need to get our other RB's in the mix. This only works with Denard running the show. Remember, our toughest competition is ahead of us and we need to get the O ready for the Big Ten show.
Denard plays until he can rack up at least 503 yards of offense, beating his 502 against Notre Dame. After that point Devin or Tate can play.
you play all of your 1s if they are able to go, get a comfortable lead and then put in the backups.
this thread made my head hurt...
And why should we be debating this?? And maybe OSU shouldn't start Pryor, or Wisky, Tolzein
I though Tate should have been in on the last drive against ND and move Denard to slot or running back to surprise the Irish. Sometime I wonder about RR and his stratagems.
I personally believe that Devin Gardner should and I think will get more playing time than Tate. Should be interesting to see.
Lets just worry about winning first.
If we're up by more than 21 and DRob is still playing with the first string I'm going to be a little disappointed. 3-4, maybe 5 drives for DRob, 5-8 for Tate and the rest for DG since it's apparent RR is going to be full on stupid and not redshirt him.
Denard will start and throw some bombs on UMass to get the lead. Not much running for health reasons. Then give Tate and Devin their due. RB's will step up this week as well.
But there is still a chance Michigan loses next week. You play the people that you think are best unless they otherwise can't play. If/when they get a big lead, then we'll see the other QBs.
... Denard is the starting QB. First two games, all remaining games. He has only started twice!
Devin and Tate can get some mop-up time in the next three games.
Your point #1 is part of the game, the rest are, in order, irrelevant, unnecessary and absurd.
And #2 in particular: Tate is a third string QB at this point. He forfeited any special consideration with his immature conduct during the UConn game and his histrionics after.
The Forcier is not with us.
Never assume a win against any opponent. Ever. Denard starts unless there is a compelling reason (e.g. injury) to keep him out.
We need a lot more wins to bring our program back to respectability. If and when we have a comfortable lead against opponents who may appear to be less challenging on paper, then we bring in Tate and Devin to light 'em up for a little more.
Actually, I think if you are ranked #13 in the country and are playing a team like James Madison, then you can assume a victory. Otherwise you shouldn't. Oh, wait a minute...
Gardner is ahead of tate on the depth chart anyway. Plus why punish denard by not starting him. You really think an FCS school in UMass will hit him harder than the Irish did yesterday. Let RR decide when he comes out next week.
Someone didn't watch the James Madison/Va Tech game. That is precisely why you start your #1's and beat the hell out of the opponent, then insert your #2's. Never assume you will win a game. That is a terrible thing to teach a young football team.
we need to put pedal to the metal.... on offense and defense !!!
will tate ever see #2 again?
Where is Vincent Smith going?
meant #2 on the depth chart behind denard.
With the successes of South Dakota, JMU and North Dakota in recent weeks, I'm perfectly happy starting Denard Robinson against UMass until it's 42-0.
Let's not end up like Kansas or Virginia Tech.
Tate can start, if he knows how to kick field goals.
He does have a decent leg -- that 50 yard punt last year was beautiful...
There's a lot of hate in this thread. I posed a hypothetical. As I said, the head coach gets to decide who starts.
I actually agree with the theory that Denard should start the first few series until we are up comfortably. I started the thread to have a discussion.
1 - those of you who don't think we should worry about Denard getting hurt should talk to Oregon fans about Dennis Dixon.
2 - those of you who really think that Devin would be the longterm answer if Denard went down may be right, but I suspect RichRod would be more comfortable with a sophomore with 12 starts that a freshman with zero.
I suspect RR would go with Devin. While Tate's got experience, next few games will give Devin lots of practical reps and he's a better fit for RR's offense. It'll be an interesting competition between Denard and Devin next year. As I said, I was on the Tater Express, but just don't see where RR's offense progressing under Tate.
the second half.
I still think he should get moved to slot receiver....Think of the damage he could do there, or even at running back!
Why do people still think Denard would be better at another position? He is the best athlete on the field and gets the ball in his hands every snap. He is a quarterback now.
...Tate should be the #2, but of course, I'm not monitoring practices. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
DROB has earned his starting spot and should start next week. If we build a comfortable lead then I think the second string and finally the third string QBs should play. My guess is that Gardner must be practicing better than Tate to be 2nd string. If Tate improves his practices, I'm sure he could become the backup again. Both Gardner and Tate will most likely see playing time during the next two weeks.
I hope you're not serious about starting him. They must have a good reason for benching last year's starter behind a true freshman even if it was just for a few snaps. Denard should definitely start, but they should let someone else get playing time once the game is safely out of reach for UMass. Whether that's Gardner or Tate I don't really care, but I wouldn't bench the guy that has been the biggest part of the past two wins. That just doesn't make sense to me.
PS - We don't need to show the effectiveness of RR's offense anymore. Obviously it works with more QBs than just Denard (evidence: Pat White at WV and Tate in the first part of last year). We need to show that the defense can hold their own.
The old cliche of,"we have to improve every game" isn't just a bunch of BS. The college football season being only 12-13 games makes it important to give our young talent experience. More than that, Denard wouldn't be the only one to benefit. The OL will getting more snaps to be able to anticipate where Denard will be. The WR will be a little bit more used to catching a ball coming from Denard. It would be silly to waste such an opportunity to tweak our game the next couple weeks.
...the Fourth Quarter.
but how can you root against denard? he's so humble and he's all smiles
he's like tebow, but better and with dreads and a mustache
I would rather see Denard play early on but rely more on throwing the ball and handing off to the RBs than carrying the ball 20+ times. Tate and Devin can play the rest of the game, and that probably means more Gardner. I still do think that Tate will be called on to lead this team sometime this year - Denard's passing ability, while much improved, still looks raw to me especially on deep balls. Denard is the clear #1 and should start, but should be on the bench by the 2nd half, if not earlier.
No, this is not a good proposal. Don't mes up the flow of the offense, Denard is only a sophomore in what is essentially his 2nd start.. He still needs game time experience reading the defense, pre snap reads, audibles, hot calls, everything. He's amazing but he is not perfect yet and needs as much burn at QB as possible. Once we get a sizeable lead take hime out.
First Denard should start and play until the game is out of hand.
The second man in after Denard should be DG. if we are going to burn DG's redshirt he needs to play and get experience. DG is likely the future starter of this team at some point while Tate is likely going to spend most of his time as a backup. Once in the big ten schedule the opportunities to get DG good playing time will be almost non-existant. I would not be upset at all to see DG get all of the backup snaps.
You approach UMass like a normal opponent. You don't deviate from your routine just because they're a big underdog. (And for the record, they've actually played several I-A opponents tough in recent years.) Start the game with regular starters. You can maybe work Tate in there in the second quarter or whatever, but the first string needs playing time first.
I have a feeling that preparing for DRob is completely different that preparing for Tate (most obvious statement of the day.) Therefore, just like you don't expose your play-book until you need to, I see no reason to expose Tate's play-book until we need to. Let every team on the schedule spend their entire week prepping for DRob, and if one of our opponents is ever successful in shutting down our Dilithium Offense for an entire half, then we trot out our Tour d'Forcier for the second half and watch their jaws drop as he reels off thirty plays from the other side of our play-book that they spent exactly zero minutes prepping for.
Oh, and good luck to the next team on the schedule who will have to simultaneously prep for DRob's plays and tendencies, as well as Tate's. God I love our QB situation.
They're not exactly at HORROR levels, but they play in a very good 1AA conference (Colonial Athletic Association) and typically field a strong team. They had an off year last year so I'm not sure if that continues into this year, but they're not to be taken too lightly. Heck, after 2007 we shouldn't take anybody lightly.
Play Denard until the lead's safe.
If it's anything like last years game agains Baby Seal U then Denard should play about a quarter to a quarter and a half and then we should see Devin and Tate split the work the rest of the way.
X-squeeze me, but why the hate for Tate's family? Becuase he has proud parents and a website? His family bleeds maize and blue. As much as I respect and admire Mr. D. Robinson, he will not last the pounding from a Big Ten season. No way, no how. Tate is the better QB, and Denard is the better throwing H-back.
for dumbest comment on MgoBlog in quite a while. Bravo.