Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
That's a good point, but I still have to say no.
...but my avatar thinks your username sounds delicious and should be boiled over hard and served with raw jelly beans.
Delicious if you're a full on rapist...
And you want to know the really shitty part? Talk begets talk which begets action. Damned if we are not a society that latches onto myopic viewpoints with the fervor of a pissed off pitbull. The more this item trends, the more these conversations heat up...
is awesome. For one thing, nothing says "catastrophic injuries" like not letting people learn how to play a sport until they are 6'5 280lbs. Another, if we are going to be banning sports, I think boxing or MMA has to go before football.
These kids choose to play, because they love the game. They are aware of the possible health ramifications.
Talk about messed up. Have you ever seen that freaky -- dare I say -- sport?
i dont even care to hear why anyone would ever think that's a good idea... no...just no...
banning college would be a public health disaster...thousands of depressed people with nothing to do on the internet anymore...
Personally, I'm enjoying listening to this Gladwell guy getting his ass handed to him. Talk about an utter inability to utilize logic to develop an argument...
There are too many positives for an outright ban, but major reform is needed. The NCAA should probably triple their enforcement staff, and finding a way to get them subpeona power wouldn't hurt either.
No. Dear Lord, no.
Give me a break. Who is going to actually "ban" it?
College football is a money making machine, and will never stop. If people are up in arms over the concussions, GET OVER IT. It's part of the game, it's part of what we sign up for as players. Don't wanna take the risk? DON'T PLAY.
I'm lucky to even walk after all the surgeries I've had on my knees due to hits and bad falls, and I'd do it all over again because I had a great time.
Not to get political, but things like this happen all the time. They just banned bake sales in Mass.
Using your logic, one could say if you don't want to become obese just don't buy the delectable baked goods. Very few people actually practice live and let live.
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Funny how things are cyclical. Theodore Roosevelt summoned a meeting at the White House in 1905 to discuss this very topic, after a particularly bad rash of maimings and deaths on college football fields throughout the country the previous season.
I do think there needs to be a fundamental change in how the game is taught, a reassessment of how equipment may be giving players a false sense of security and encouraging rougher/more reckless play, even limited revisions to the rulebook to ensure player safety. These are all delicate things, but I think it's becoming fundamentally clear competitive football, at the collegiate and pro levels alike, has become a game far more detrimental to players than it is beneficial in the long run. This is pretty much undeniable.
I want to see soft pads and leather helmets with no faceguards. That way, nothing can be used as a weapon. It will also discourage hitting with 100 percent force, which seems to be the way the game is taught nowadays.
Since the ground can't cause a fumble, it shouldn't be legal to add force to the impact when a player hits the ground. Often, a QB is fine after the first hit that takes him off of his feet, but sustains shoulder or arm injuries because the player then slams him into the ground.
Usually, those who pound the bully pulpit the loudest about how "football is a tough sport" are pussies in real life who can barely tackle a bag of Doritos. It's time to stop expecting our heroes to die early for us or live lives of diminished quality so that we can get excited over a hard hit.
The game is still great, and will still look great, even if we change it so that the participants aren't risking their health every time they go out on the field.
It is not. As long as the participants know exactly what the risks are, and they are participating entirely voluntarily, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an assumption of that kind of risk. And yes, it is also legitimate to say it is a tough sport, despite your silly Doritos line.
People don't just risk poor health, they literally risk death every time a car race happens. We don't ban car racing for the exact same reason--everyone is there voluntarily, knows the risks, and assumes the risk. And there is nothing, not a thing, wrong with that.
I'm not against continued evolution of safety rules, but there is a point past where a sport no longer becomes the sport you love. I'm not saying this is it, just that the existence of risk, and the knowledge that injury risk is high, is not in itself wrong.
That viewpoint is fine for adults, but not for minors. I agree with you, it's like seatbelt laws they should be voluntary after 18 mandatory until that age.
by their parents at any time. College athletes are legal adults, all of them
Your parents don't decide whether to put a baby in a car seat, the government does. Not really comparing apples to apples. I'm completely against a government limiting the freedom of adult citizens, but in the case of child safety I think government intervention is OK.
I think the problem is not the fact that they are risking their health but that they are not getting properly compensated for that risk
In response to your first suggestion, other's have pointed out that rugby, despite it's light padding, has the same frequency of concussions as football.
In response to your second suggestion, it just isn't viable, seeing as quite often slamming a guy into the ground is just part of the natural motion of a tackle. In cases where it's not, you run into the problem of players being forced to let up before a guy is actually downed, which could be trouble when you're up against a player who is particularly adept at staying on his feet after the first hit.
Nobody thinks football players are pussies. The point is just that football is by nature a violent sport, so you're either going to have to implement some HUGE changes or just stick with the system you've got. I think the best option is just to make sure that kids and parents are informed as to how dangerous it really is - similar to the anti-smoking campaign.
NIce accidental double-click. I would have left it, but it was pretty long to read once, let alone twice.
Here's one reason: if what you said were true, we'd see less interest in the game from the aspect of players playing it. Basketball and Baseball are far, far safer and you can make equivalent or even more money than the NFL. Yet the game has never had higher participation, never had more popularity. If potential players thought that was true, they would find their way into other sports just as with any market for any activity or good.
Banning college football means I might as well blow my brains out with 12 gauge.
For Godssake I have the national championship years painted on the vertical wall of the staircase in my house.
Michigan Football is what gives me something to look forward to, all the time.
No offense, but you may need to spice up your life a bit.
I may sound insane, but I rather be fanatical about Michigan football than have no direction at all and be a jellyfish.
That's why they call me Wolverine Devotee.
Jelly fishes no like M football?
Bissinger just (unintentionally) exposed the fatal flaw in their argument: they just hate college football. Rowing? Has a purpose on a college campus. Football? No purpose on a college campus. Logical consistency? None.
Yes, it should be banned. Banned in the same way driving a car, boxing/UFC, working in coal mines and smoking should be. And by that, I mean these are all things that have the potential to cause great physical harm, yet are so entrenched in the way people live that the thought of getting rid of them is utterly asinine and not worth wasting one's breath debating on.
....but does anyone else think Malcolm Gladwell really needs to step away from the Van De Graaff generator for a few moments?
That being said, while I think the game needs to examine how it treats those who play it and what sorts of things it can do to mitigate the long-term impact of playing the game (rule changes, equipment changes, access to adequate care, etc...), to outright ban it is an unenlightened and a needlessly moralistic solution to something which also provides some intangible benefits, the least of which would be the lessons of teamwork and community.
Gladwell is thinking like a utlraconservative Baptist preacher instead of a heir of the Enlightenment. Prohibition is SOOOOO passe'.
All this debate is, is another "Jocks vs. Nerds" argument, essentially having Bissinger exhort the negative effects of college football while Green defends the game--with side comments from Gladwell and Whitlock (in the 12 minutes of so I watched they both made a couple comments at most).
Of course its the extremely nerdy guy that is for banning college football.
If they banned college footbaw it would give me a reason to bitch about something else beside high gas prices.
So no, they should not ban college footbaw
Malcolm Gladwell is from Mars.
Everyone on that stage talked like an idiot the entire time, with Bissinger maybe looking worst-informed. Gladwell has a weak argument against college football, because his main issue is complaining about the lives of NFL players after retirement, which is different. Bissinger had an even dumber academic mission argument. Example: Joe Paterno had too much power at Penn State. Joe Paterno coached football. Therefore, ban college football.
Just embarrassing all around. Whitlock seemed least dumb, which is alarming.
I'd sooner ban the NFL. College players have brains that are still generating new cells, and probably heal faster from concussions. They only play 4~5 years and rarely against players like Urlacher or Ray Lewis Or Polamalu, so the hits shouldn't be too severe.
If it means paying them, yeah so be it.
I'm sorry...it's not like every individual who plays pro-football is depressed/suicidal either...
Banning college football would prevent more kids from getting college degrees than it would prevent problems 20+ years down the road.
Athletes are only successful on Wall Street? Buzz Bissinger, you are a tool.
It's impossible to take him seriously.
Too many people die from diseases. Sorry humanity, but safety first!
Their arguments are asinine. "Football makes you drunk and stupid." "Wall Street is messed up because of athletes." "Football has no academic benefit." How does it differ from the other sports? Intelligence^2? Intelligence/2 seems more appropriate.
but let's be honest here, people who attend intelligence^2 debates don't exactly constitute an unbiased sample. This doesn't surprise me at whatsoever.
I know that I'm extremely biased towards not banning college football but some of these arguments make me extraordinarily angry. I yelled at my computer several times because of what they were saying.
All I can really say is ARGH!
I definitely think that we need to change the game to help reduce head injuries, but going beyond that to banning the game seems more than extreme. I find it hard to believe that banning football will make our universities better by reducing students' distractions, if football is banned people will find a new way to distract themselves.
Just like driving a car or working a dangerous job, this is just another risk vs reward debate. Do you want to avoid the chance of getting a concussion by not playing football at all? Or do you want to have the chance to play a fun and competitive sport where you learn teamwork and discipline, develop physical and mental toughness, and build strong friendships with teammates?
Personally, I think the benefit outweighs the cost.
Talks about the impact Brady Hoke has on kids. Wow.
if you are lacking in knowledge of a field you will make yourself look as ignorant as a person from the backwoods of Appalachia.
Impressive to hear Brady Hoke be singled out as a positive example of a coach who takes his mission as a molder of men seriously. Beyond the unexpected heights of winning a BCS Bowl last year, Hoke impresses me simply by the quality of his character in an age of Todd Grahmes, Lane Kiffens and...others.
College football should be reformed, not banned. Gradually this is happening (4-year scholarships, playoffs, etc..). My main arguments are as follows:
1) These kids enjoy playing football.
2) We enjoy watching it.
3) College football sends thousands of kids to college that wouldn't have the opportunity.
I realize the holes in these short arguments. The health of the athlete absolutely needs to be a priority and players should be encouraged to challenge themselves academically. But there is no reason to ban college football at this point. We should ban cigarettes, motorcycles, and dozens of other things before we worry about banning college football altogether.
I'm all for making changes to benefit the players in the long run. But banning it? Way premature.
No ban on football. Now get the fuck off my lawn and go home!
Hell no. I'd rather have my left $&@ cut off than go without college football.
Lets talk. If you really want to lower. Concussions take the facemasks off
were perhaps among the best free publicity M could get in terms of not just the university, but to parents of recruits who are going to hear about this debate, be it thru the water cooler conversation or some other avenue of conversation.
Debate might have been won by proponents of a never-to-be-seen ban of cfb because its' benefits and contribution far outweigh whatever point they were trying to make. Believe it had something to do with it does not add to academics of an education or some such nonsense. Almost the equivalent of saying the mere admittance of an underpriviliged high schooler to an Ivy League school or to one with the status of a Michigan, Duke or Stanford, for mere examples, is not going to provide networks to future financial success and contributions to society that higher education was designed for in its infancy, perhaps in opposite order, than they would not have accessed without said admittance.
Revenue generating collegiate sports, as a whole, has opened more doors to not only superior athletes, but to millions of other young men and women than possibly any tax backed government program aimed at promoting higher education among the least advantaged. And, as an aside, it has probably also been far more instrumental in bridging the racial divide that lessens each year in our country than any one tax supported program as well. Simply put, college sports as a whole and it undisputed KING; the one that pays for it all, is a good thing.
that said, i dont know how many michigan-caliber football recruits would find the time to tune into an inteligence^2 debate, and those that did probably wouldn't have listened to the full 2 hrs to hear the michigan plug...
Things more dangerous than playing college football:
Riding a motorcycle. Anyone else think its rather odd that we have mandatory seatbelts and safety regulations for cars, but you can ride any two wheeled death trap you like? What kind of side-impact safety rating you get with that Buell?
Riding in a helicopter.
Riding in a car with my wife.
Commenting on my wife's driving in close proximity to a fork or other sharp object.
Walking down High Street in Columbus in your Michigan gear.
Videotaping practice at Notre Dame.
Cheerleading at MSU.
Eating at a KFC buffet in the south.
Unprotected sex with a spartan.
Protected sex with a spartan on the couch.
...? You guys got any more?
...shouldn't be outright banned. It should just take on more of an Ivy League model. That is, no scholarship athletes and fewer televised games. The passion would still be there, just not all the hype.
As for professional football, I'm of a completely different opinion. Firstly, there should be the option of going pro at age 18 so that the true meatheads can avoid college. Maybe this means an NFL sponsored development program or maybe an independent minor league or whatever. I don't really know.
Secondly, pro football should up the ante on the violence level, ancient Rome gladiator style. There could be a big reduction in the number of retired players with brain injuries if we simply set it up such that most players died during the play. True competition of the fittest.