bklein09

December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 PM ^

Like most things recruiting, I'll just take a wait and see approach with this. All I care about is getting his LOI on Signing Day. What happens between now and then, I'm not going to worry about. 

SalvatoreQuattro

December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^

He is two years away from arriving on campus so he probably is concerned Hoke won't make it that long.

 

More evidence of the damage fans ranting can cause on the recruiting trail.

Tater

December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^

Not pushing the panic button, but it doesn't seem like very long ago that this class was ranked #1 and had all the momentum in the world.  Now it is #11 on 247 and #7 on ESPN, with players deciding to schedule visits elsewhere.

I will be glad when NSD finally gets here.

MGoStrength

December 6th, 2013 at 10:23 PM ^

I feel like this is becoming a trend.  We start strong, OSU starts slow, but at the end of the day OSU takes over and finishies a few spots ahead of UM.  On the one hand it's good to get top classes.  On the other hand it's hard to ever overcome a rival that is already better than you if you can't out-recruit them.  Unfortunately we will always be fighting this uphill battle as there is simply more talent in OH than MI.  Hopefully our young talent starts to produce more wins on the field soon so can be the onces flipping top kids late.  Maybe next year it can be UM flipping Webb instead of OSU flipping Crawford.  Well, that's my hope anyways.

MGoStrength

December 7th, 2013 at 9:45 AM ^

Are you saying there isn't a big difference between #3 and #6 (OSU and UM according to ESPN last year) or there isn't a big difference between #1 and #10?  Because for example UM only had one guy ranked over 84 (Green) whereas Bama had 10 (and OSU had 8).  I think that's a pretty big difference.  Derrick Green was our highest rated recruit by far and that was a big deal for UM to finally land a guy like that, whereas OSU has 8 of them and Bama has 10.

 

While I agree with you on coaching the offense (maybe head coaching too, but I'm reserving judgement on that for now), I'm not certain OSU holds any coaching prowess edge on the defensive side of the ball.  

JTrain

December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 PM ^

I hate to beat a dead horse here.... But look at what Dantonio has done in East Lansing with less talent.
Here...Will Campbell 5 star. Jake Ryan 3 star. Cissoko....Stribling.
Now I don't want to lose recruiting battles to our arch rivals...but I think our focus needs to be more on technique and development. Our guys will find talent.
In a couple years, with depth everywhere, quality everywhere...if we can't do it...THEN I will be worried.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 PM ^

Hoke has actually done a slightly better job. Narduzzi's defenses were pretty average his first three seasons. It wasn't until year four that they started their ascent to dominance.

 

 

SalvatoreQuattro

December 6th, 2013 at 11:41 PM ^

Both coaches took over programs that came off disasterous ends to the previous regimes, both coaches  came from middling schools, and both coaches won national titles as assistants at previous stops. 

Are they exactly alike? No. No situation is. But there is enough to suggest that patience is a good idea.

I am not saying that UM WILL win 11 games next year. Not at all. My comparison is mainly to give hope that things will turn around.

 

 

Victor Hale II

December 7th, 2013 at 6:09 AM ^

The "barely cracked .500" is equally old. He inherited horrible programs with no real football cache. Assuming he rebuilt Ball St. ethically and without egregious violations, then how hard is it to see that he had quite a task on his hands? Lots of growing pains for a first time HC at an historically downtrodden program. Next was SDSU, which was the proverbial dumpster fire. In his 2nd year they went 9-4, and kept each loss very close. Within a couple years, they sent at least three guys to the NFL. Not bad for a school that isn't any kind of NFL factory.

Yeoman

December 7th, 2013 at 8:55 AM ^

TCU had five players drafted that year to SDSU's two. That was typical for a top MWC team in that period--the year before, Utah had five drafted including two 2nds; the year after, Boise had six. Seven players were taken in the first two round during those years; SDSU had none of them.

They had talent close to the best teams in their league but I don't think you could call it overwhelming.

BradP

December 7th, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^

Players from that 2010 team that ended up drafted:

Vincent Brown - WR - 2011 3rd Rd

DeMarco Sampson - WR - 2011 7th Rd

Ronnie Hillman - RB - 2012 3rd Rd

Miles Burris - LB - 2012 4th Rd

Ryan Lindley - QB 2012 - 6th Rd

Jerome Long - DT - 2012 7th Rd

Gavin Escobar - TE - 2013 2nd Rd

Leon McFadden - CB - 2013 3rd Rd

 

TCU had 8 guys drafted that was on that roster and they went 13-0.  The Utah team that you are referencing went 12-0.  SDSU had talent on offense, at least, to rival those teams that completely overwhelmed their opponents.  They went 5-3 in conference and were the third highest-scoring team.

 

pescadero

December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 AM ^

"He inherited horrible programs with no real football cache. Assuming he rebuilt Ball St. ethically and without egregious violations, then how hard is it to see that he had quite a task on his hands? Lots of growing pains for a first time HC at an historically downtrodden program."

 

I just don't get where this narrative comes from that Hoke inherited a "downtrodden" Ball St. and made it into something great comes from. It just isn't supported by facts at all.

 

Ball St. under Bill Lynch (Hoke predecessor): 37-53, 41.1%

Ball St. under Brady Hoke: 30-39, 43.4%

 

Ball St. in 3 years prior to Brady Hoke:

2000: 5-6

2001: 5-6

2002: 6-6

 

Ball St. under Brady Hoke:

2003: 4-8

2004: 2-9

2005: 4-7

2006: 5-7

2007: 7-6

2008: 12-2

 

That doesn't look like a "difficult rebuild". That looks like a 5 year run of pretty much exactly what came before under the previous coach, and then one outlier.

 

 

Victor Hale II

December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^

In my own mind, the emphasis was on "historically", as in, has Ball St. ever really been a powerful program? Also, notice I mentioned "growing pains". I never said Hoke made them a title contender overnight. It was his first HC gig, and it took him some time to get to a point at which they were competing for the MAC title and had an outside shot at a BCS bowl. But he did it. Then, perhaps he found a system or method, which allowed the quick SDSU turnaround. Sure, his UM record has gone down each year, and that's cause for concern; but there is also reason for optimism.

JTrain

December 7th, 2013 at 7:39 AM ^

In theory...our team is a year older. Our only major losses will be at left/right tackle on the oline. Our D WILL BE BETTER. If we have any run game whatsoever, I would say we compete next year. Not for the national championship. The conference championship. With that, everything else is possible.
We were in some dogfights this year. We won a couple...we lost a couple. I think four of the games we lost by a TOTAL of 8-10 points. Just as ALL OF MY MSU FRIENDS REMINDEDED
ME over and over again (think they lost 5 games by a total of 7 points last year?) Translation...even tho we played horrible we still ALMOST won 10 games.
Keep the faith.

MGoStrength

December 7th, 2013 at 10:06 AM ^

MSU, OSU, PSU, NW...none of these teams will be great next year which is good for us. ND will be tough on the road.  PSU we finally get at home.  OSU will be tough, but always is. MSU loses a lot on defense.  NW loses Colter.  I see us as a 9-3 team next year.  With the conference as weak as I expect, we could contend for a conference championship, but we still won't be a great team.  I have faith, but I think we're more than a year away.  

 

Next year if we stay healthy we should take a step forward and continue to improve.  But, we still have questions marks.  We will still be a bend but don't break style of defense because we simply don't have enough talent.  I really think we need our talent to get older before we become what we want.  Are guys like Gordon, Taylor, Clark, Morgan, Beyer servicable...sure. But we need the younger more talented (if you go by recruiting rankings) guys like Wilson, Charlton, Ross, Wormley, Thomas, Pipkins, etc. to become Jrs and Srs before we are really gonna be good on defense.  I think the same goes for our offensive line guys like Kalis, Bosch, Kugler, Dawson, etc. before we'll have a good running game. 

Wolverine Devotee

December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 PM ^

He's going to come here. He wouldn't be telling the nation he wants to wear #23 at Michigan because if you put the most recent Wolverine Heisman winner's numbers together (21 & 2), you get 23.

And if he doesn't, panic and run around screaming.