Over/under 2.5 series before the people that wanted him to start over Gardner realize he isn't an upgrade?
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Over/under 2.5 series before the people that wanted him to start over Gardner realize he isn't an upgrade?
He may be an upgrade over an injured immobile Devin Gardner, though.
That's not my point.
The point the people that wanted to play Morris over Gardner this year are gonna see that he isn't an upgrade rather quickly I imagine.
let's root for him to suck so you can be right. Does it matter that people wanted him to sub in for Gardner? Only thing that matters now is hoping he does well enough to give us a chance in this game while gaining experiece that will be useful for his continued development next season, when he is Devin's backup.
Wait, wait, wait.
Where's the deer? I took me a second to realize who this was. Rid yourself of this imposter avatar - we need Bambi's dad back!
mGrowOld here. Your new avatar sucks Benoit's balls.
Leave the avatar. And it is not Benoit's Bballs, it's Benoit Balls (Ben Wa). I enjoy your use of Archer character. It makes me laugh.
Note: I'm merely commenting on your miss of my word play. You are very much entitled to like Archer more than the deer head.
"Yeah let's root for him to suck so you can be right"
Straw man much?
I'd love to be wrong. Nothing would please me more than Morris showing up, earning the job over Gardner and then leading Michigan to 3 National Titles his sophomore, junior and senior years.
Back to what I'm trying to say here: If Morris was an upgrade over Gardner, they would have played him this year. Even though Borges was awful and the O-Line was not good, somehow the logical solution to everything was "put in Morris". Gardner was not the problem, and I believe the people that thought he was will learn that rather quickly against Kansas State Saturday.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time on here and I'd rather win than "be right". Always.
but a lot of people calling to "put in Shane" were just emotionally reacting to some frustrating games. I think most people are aware that a RS junior who is BFF's with Gallon is probably the best option in our Bowl game.
That being said, show us your stuff, Shane!!!
in light of Gardner's unreal performance against OSU is the fact that he was not good during the middle of the season. People were not clamoring for Shane while DG was balling out against OSU, Notre Dame, Minnesota, etc. They were calling for Shane when DG was crumbling mentally, physically, emotionally, etc. And it obviously wasn't even close to entirely Gardner's fault that he had his rough moments.
My point is this: if you're going to judge Shane's performance against what you think Gardner would have done in his place (even assuming at least same level of health as he was against OSU), then you have to take into account that Gardner's level of play was about as variable as Borges' quality of playcalling.
You're being intentionally obtuse; who on earth is advocating for Morris to perform poorly so they can say "I told ya so!"? Certainly not the poster you're accusing of that activity. Nice strawman.
There are plenty of people that seem both happy and excited to see Hoke lose so they can claim "We were right about RR".
If things don't go well, I'll come back and laud your efforts to let us know how prescient you were.
the majority wanted him to red shirt. Very few people put the blame soley on DG or the OL for that matter. People who called for Shane to start are prospective amnesiacs.
If Shane plays well ... well that is a different question and a different context. I hope it gets to that because I want to win regardless of who takes the snaps.
I don't think Shane gives us the best chance to win Saturday, nor in 2014, but I do think he will leave Ann Arbor as a more decorated quarterback than Devin Gardner. I'm very excited about this kid's potential and future so I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll do Saturday.
The "Morris Truthers" were and are ridiculous. And no, I won't be "rooting for Morris to fail so I can prove I was right" like some commenters have suggested; that's not what I (or, I believe, any of the other posters who think it's asinine that people were agitating for Morris over Gardner) ever said, nor will ever do. It's just the people that were calling for DG's head are, in my mind, just delusional, and likely have some irrational attachment to an unknown quantity-- Shane Morris-- due to a heightened love of following recruiting, perhaps; I can't diagnose the cause, only the symptoms.
Let's do it Shane. Show why you were a 5* and send us into the offseason with a W...
According to Hoke, Gardner will not play in the game at all. There is concern about broken bones in Devin's foot.
I'd rather have him healthy for next season than risk further injury for a meaningless bowl game.
This is exactly it. While I hope the boys are focusing on this game and want to win, let's look forward to next season, which is more important. Devin does not need to play at all in this game.
I mean, how can I really argue with Spock, fergodsakes?
If he has broken bones in his foot, he would know.
I broke mine sophmore year in HS and couldn't walk on it
and walked on it for almost a year. You must be a giant pussy.
My 12 year old ran and played football with a fractured ankle for two days before we took him back to get a second opinion, upon which the doctor found the fracture... tough kid.
for playing till the end of the Ohio State game. I'm sure he was in a lot of pain.
it shows that overtime was not a viable option and there was no way you could expect any type of run or rollout from Gardner at that point.
This is going to be ugly. There will be a few nice throws mixed in with mostly terrible decisions and an inability to run the ball. People will be left saying things like "well he showed some promise".
...that people will be left saying things like "Fire Borges."
Because I've been asking for one and old Santa never brings it. Glad to hear you got one.
Our game plan just became run, run, ugly medium passes, and fuck it go deep and hope. So not that different.
It's the whole "run, run" part that isn't going to be pretty.
the 55 yard pass from his knees.
What if Shane ends up having a monster game: 400+ yrds, 3-4 TD, 0 INT. Will there be a QB controversy for next year?
Should there be? no. Will there be? Yes. That is just how fans are.
Put in Henson!!
Yes, because this is Michigan.
However, he will not have a monster game. I think we're sitting at 95% chance of a loss now.
Gardner put up 400 and 4 TDs against Ohio State. The problem all season has been the pitiful playcalling of Borges and the poor O-Line play, not Gardner.
If Morris has a monster day, great. Always nice to know you have a solid backup. But that's what he should remain until Gardner is gone. The backup.
Oh lord, if Morris has that stat line I will retract everything I've ever said negatively about Al Borges, Brady Hoke, football, physics, etc. I will also need to catch the monkeys flying out of my ass, but I'll do it.
What the heck is your problem with physics, man?
He's been angry since the day he learned that it's physically impossible for monkeys to fly out of asses.
apparently you've never seen Bruce Almighty.
I've always had an issue with anything that decides it doesn't apply at the sub-atomic level. Call me a traditionalist, but what is good for the macro is good enough for the micro, fergodsakes!
"My string theory works when the quarks execute..."
...on so many levels, is why I love to lurk on this blog. Oops...guess I'm not a lurker any longer. But it does my M Engineering heart good to see a mash-up of quantum theory and our beloved coaching staff's verbal tics...well done sir.
Only among the fans.
For sure there will be.
my dog turned into a bicycle.
you just change the dog's name from "Fluffy" to "Huffy".
It's a Big 12 defense. So that stat line is entirely plausible.
If Devin threw for 400+ yds against Ohio with a broken foot, well, wow...
A fracture is (usually) a pretty cut and dry type of injury. But yet, here we have Hoke saying Devin's got "Turf Toe" up until today. I really don't get it. What's the point of lying?
A fracture of the sesamoid in combination with a complete tear of the plantar complex is typically classified as a severe grade 3 turf toe injury.
So, in typical Hoke fashion, what he said was entirely truthful but wasn't the entirety of the truth. And the advantage would be that K-State has, unless they guessed right, had to game plan for the possiblity of a running QB.
So KState still has to put some film time and practice prepping into defending Gardner.
What a great Michigan Man.
You mean of course the NO fumble play after which Ohio was given the football.
Pretty much confirming that the result of this game will be about as irrelevant as any bowl game in Michigan history.
Think about it: All of our goals are smoked. Nobody will remember or care about the actual final record. The opponent is ok, not outstanding. The time slot is buried. The result will have no bearing on either the expectations or the actual performance next year at all. And if we lose (particularly if the offense stinks) there is a built-in "we started our freshman backup" excuse.
The fact is, Michigan needs to produce in a big way next season or there will be despair, chaos, and mass season ticket attrition. What happens Saturday will not have any effect on this.
Perversely, this absence of stakes will make Saturday's game more entertaining to watch, because there is less fear involved. At least, for me.
I agree. I just hope recruits see it that way.
isn't ready to go... to use the cliche - that is all. Shane has a solid year of this system - tailored to his drop back ness. There are no excuses here.
This is a football game just like the last one and all of them before that one. There are no missing stakes because one guy can't go and another can. There are winners and losers. That is all that is ever at stake in any football play.
I, at least, will be just as pouty if we lose regardless of who steps up.
The ticket attrition has already made it's way into DB's mind I'm sure. I look forward to how Michigan responds to this year. This game (as did OSU) has very high stakes in my mind if I am paying the bills.
Just curious, when the team record is already sub par (and the only thing that matters or should matter), why do you consider this such a negative.
I say that as someone who is currently sitting at the 35 yard line & will enthusiastically encourage people to jump off the bandwagon until such time as I finally make my way to 50 yd line and never relinquish those tix until the day I die.
Well the time slot isn't buried for 2/3rds of the country.. 7.15 for PAC time and 9.15 for central
So does this mean if the game doesnt go well the new chart on Sunday will include "Put in Cleary?"
|TOTAL||AVERAGE||STD. DEV.||% oF TOTAL|
|"put in Morris"||187||15.58||16.81||3.86%|
I had previously steered away from the idea of doing a special bowl edition of "The State Of Our Open Threads", but having read this thread so far, I may very well do just that and change up the QB replacement metric a little bit. Rather than Cleary, however, I believe there were a few articles out there which said Bellomy was taking reps as the #2 QB for the game, but I could be mistaken.
I looked up who our #2 would be but couldnt find anything that specifically said it would be either one. Maybe if things go REAL badly you'll sadly need to make a new collumn for both.
although I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. I read of several occasions where a sixth year was granted in similar situations. I don't believe you qualify if you recover and play during the year which means he would blow his redshirt. I'm sure the coaches would like to avoid that situation if at all possible.
I'm hoping someone with more knowledge of medical redshirts can confirm this but I did a lot of searching earlier in the week.
Here is a prior MGoBlog post that addresses it.
Bellomy would have had to sit another year due to injury. Bellomy got a RS as a freshman, but there it wasn't because of injury, making getting a 6th year much more difficult.
Shane, here's your chance lil homie. Expectations are low, make us proud my man. Oline, WRs, RBs, Defense its time to BALL OUT!
I'm excited by this. Finally Borges has his prototypical prostyle QB. /s
I have to admit though ... this does add drama and interest in this match up - from an avid fan perspective. Not all freshmen fail out of the box. Shane has a frosh err of chaos about him that could bring victory.
To me, the drama will be the same as watching one of those nature documentaries where a bunch of Orcas play with a seal on a rapidly-shrinking ice sheet. I'll just hope they don't finish him off too violently.
It now has that "Spring Game" feel where the outcome is pointless, but you are very interested to see how the team looks in its new configuration.
Kansas State is a well coached team however. If you are an avid CFB type - you watch the game and don't listen to the hype.
I enjoyed ntOSU take down Boise. Bowl season is beer season. Shane is a five starish ness fresh of breath air. Hackenberg did well enough - let's go Shane.
are probably so happy!...well, happy until they see how much they are missing DG and realizing how bad this offense is with a normal QB who cannot scramble nearly as well
...with others who say this is a good thing. I don't dislike Gardner, but it was painful watching his confidence erode game after game this year. He seemed so lost out there at times.
Maybe Shane will play within himself, deploy the KISS methodology and end up with a win. Wouldn 't that be cool?
I am supporting Shane Morris 100% and hope he has a great game...I am just waiting for the haters to start talking smack like they have all year....put DG on Oregon's team and he is easily a heisman contender
for sure. Too bad for Devin, wish him a speedy recovery, and the job is his come spring ball. I expect Shane to come out looking like the young, talented, yet inexperienced guy that he is, but I think some of you might be surprised at his mobility. He may not be Devin, but he can move.
While I always want Michigan to win, this is a fairly meaningless game, so it's OK for Shane to get the start. He needs experience, so this will be good for him.
Great fans support the Michigan Quarterback no matter the player or the circumstances. This is a great chance for Shane to show us a look at the future and he should benefit from the preparation time.
behind this line should be lots of fun. Whoopee.
It's late December. He's a Freshman in name only. I don't think he'll be phenomenal, but he's hardly defenseless.
Cook got his first start in Sparty's bowl game last year. In the same bowl game. This means we will be B1G Champs next season right?!
Yes. Yes it does.
please give mgobaran 25,000 bonus points if we win the B1G next year.
against OSU. I was surprised given the poor performance against lesser NU OL. Hopefully the extra practice will help out.
I hope Shane has a great game. It will be great if Michigan could win this game.
2014 please hurry up
Well, all those fans who were bitching and clamoring for Gardner to get pulled for Shane this year are finally going to get what they want. Hopefully they want what they're going to get.
Regardless, best of luck on Saturday, Shane. This is the opportunity you've been waiting for. Now go out and make the most of it.
Hopefully Borges can show what he is made of, gold or shit, and call a helluva game Saturday night. By now, he should know Morris' strengths and weaknesses when it comes to different offensive packages. So I am expecting a bigger variety of run plays mixed with god-knows-what style of pass plays.
Over/Under: FOUR Zone-Reads/Options while Shane Morris in the game. I choose over, unfortunately.
I think this is a good chance for Shane to get some much needed experience. On a smaller stage in a game with little implications, there won't be as much pressure as there was on Bellomy against Nebraska. Somebody is going to have to take the helm when Gardner leaves and I think this gives him a huge jump on that.
Make us proud, Shane!
I know there are people who are super-psyched about Morris getting the start, but nothing could be a more fitting end to 2013 than a true freshman with a live arm, limited pocket presence, and all of the jitters running for his life behind a mediocre line while a bunch of Wildcats bear down on him.
Be afraid, be very afraid!
In all seriousness, I figured it was going to be a loss anyways. That's just the way this year is going fellas. It's just one of those kind of years.
I think it makes this game more exciting. Let's be honest, nobody is really interested watching Michigan playing at 10 pm in the BWW bowl. But with Shane making his first career start, Im much more intrigued. The outcome may not be desirable, but Im excited to see how Shane looks and commands the offense.
Now the scary part is, is which Al Borges shows up? Im hoping for the one that calls no PA passes on 3rd and long. Shane hasnt had enough practice running for his life.
My brother-in-law said he saw on Internet somewhere that DG is going to transfer next year. He's already graduated so he wouldn't miss a year. He said he couldn't remember where he read that and I couldn't find anywhere else that could confirm this. Anyone know anything about these rumors? I'm not bringing this up to stir any controversy, I'm bringing this up so you all can talk me off the ledge. This is silly right?
Please tell me this is silly!!
He is going no where.
Is your brother-in-law Ace Williams?
I believe he already applied to grad school at Michigan so ummm no.
Isn't he already in grad school? He graduated with Denard
Probably Ace Williams -_-
I wouldn't worry about it since Gardner didn't transfer when he was behind Denard but wanted to.
He wouldn't want to transfer a team with Big 10 Championship aspirations to another team where he will have to learn a whole new offense and scouts will look at him at Michigan since he will probably go pro.
You're citing your "brother-in-law" who "saw it on the internet somewhere"
That's gold, jerry, gold!
If he saw it on the Internet it has to be true. That's a rule.
I was in a household of ND fans and Sparties. They all picked up on this and were running with it. I had no idea so I had no defense other than it seemed silly. They were using the whole Russell Wilson example as proof.
I knew if any place had answers it would be here. And I wasn't about to be rude and come here in the middle of the holiday visits, like I said, wasn't trying to start anything.
A bunch of Domers and Sparties. That helps credibility immensely.
Getting breaking Michigan football news from Sparties and Domers is like getting driving directions from a blind person.
He's in his first year in the School of Social Work program. It's highly unlikely he's going to transfer to another school solely for football reasons.
Nervous now for sure. But I hope Morris can step up!
is the bigger problem than Morris. Borges will run and run and run and run and just when you think he is done running, he will run somemore.
If the play distribution is more than 20% pass I will be shocked.
On a silver lining note, in this lost year, it will be good to get Morris some live game experience for his own development.
Borges said in his presser that he would have to reduce the playbook if Shane starts.
Are you implying that M's run/pass ratio was somewhere at or above 80/20? Even notorious passing fetishisht Andy Reid runs the ball around 35% of the time. We are certainly more balanced than that. IMO -The problem isn't so much the run/pass ratio but the situational playcalling - i.e. calling obvious run plays with no threat of a counter, or futilely calling a run play, which clearly won't work given our line problems, into a stacked box on 3rd and 10.
Anyone else already planning their drinks for Saturday?
"sex on the beach" beer?
Because it's FUCKIN' NEAR WATER.
Go get 'em kid
Well Shane has been practicing all year for this opportunity. Stinks for Gardner and he should get well quickly and fully but heck of a chance for Shane to show us what he has. Whatever happens this should be great for his development and will hopefully make him a better contributor starting in two years.
Threat Level: Midnight
Cmon Sugar Shane.
Let's see what the kid has, the game is meaningless for the most part.
I will say this...it's a lose-lose situation.
If Shane does well, we have a QB controversy. If he sucks, the future is doomed for another 4 years.
I suppose he could play "just well enough to win" but then we're bored all spring/summer after a "meh" victory.
That said, it makes the game more intriguing for me. I hope he has a coming out party like we've never seen. I'll take a QB controversy and/or rotating QB next year if it means the following 2 years we have an all-star and first round calibur QB.
Not likely, but hey, I wanna see what the kids got.
No disrespect to Gallon or Schofield (sorry, I really don't care about Lewan)...but I want to see all the young guys vs. a well-coached team. Braden-Bosch-Glas-Kalis-Mags...let's see what they youngsters can do this game. Let's give some hope for the future of Michgan Football.
Lost me at lose-lose
I will say this...it's a lose-lose situation.
If Shane does well, we have a QB controversy. If he sucks, the future is doomed for another 4 years.
I disagree with all of this. First, for a true QB controversy after this game, Shane would have to be incredible Saturday. I'd be okay with that. Then he'd have to keep it up through spring and fall. I'd be okay with that, too. It's extremely unlikely that we have serious QB controversy even if Shane plays well, and a little QB competition wouldn't be terrible.
Second, if Shane lays an egg against K-State, it absolutely does not mean that we're "doomed for another 4 years." Is that serious? We have a RS senior starter next year, so there's no pressure on him to do anything. Even if Shane isn't ready for 2015-2016, we'll have other guys on the roster (and more experienced talent at other positions). Most of all, though, you really think that a guy's debut performance in his true freshman year is enough to tell you whether he's destined to be terrible for the rest of his career?
It's not a bad problem to have...but if Shane throws for 400 and 4 TDs in a route.
As soon as DG throws his first pick next year people are going to be going crazy for Morris.
You know there will be at least 15 Shane at QB and Gardner at WR threads this offseason.
...I'm not saying it's right or it's reasonable, but you and I both know it's true.
But at the point when it's "not a bad problem to have" is it still part of a "lose-lose" situation? I hope Shane lights up K-State. If he does and it looks like we have two totally viable Big Ten starters, that's a win. If he struggles, in no way will I leave this bowl game thinking that our football program is doomed for the next four years.
Someone please forward this to Shane Morris.
Let's see what Shane Morris can do! I am still very excited for this game.
...you gotta BEAT the man.
Sorry...just felt the need for a gratuitous Rick Flair reference.
Hey, we're playing with (big) house money, folks...a bowl game that interested probably a small percentage of the fanbase after a tremendous let-down of a season just got a helluva lot more intriguing. And the good news is that the result really DOESN'T matter, because if we lose, well, we're starting an inexperienced quarterback over a hobbled one, and if we win, well...maybe, just MAYBE it'll jumpstart the fanbase toward really looking forward to Fall of 2014.
There was no way I was going to NOT watch the game...bad Michigan football is always better than NO Michigan football...but now, I'm actually going to watch the game with a genuine interest in what's going on. At the very least I'll be less prone to take bathroom breaks when Michigan has the ball.
But my heart goes out to Gardner. Missing this game has to just kill him. And anyone who thinks we have a better chance of winning without him needs to have their head examined. But I support the decision to sit him...with no mobility and an already injured foot he's like a de-clawed cat released into the wild...no chance at all.
Borges is going to go crazy. Dave Brandon is going to hook up Borges to some kid who won a tournament on NCAA 14. Odd this worked on my Xbox.....
If...... IF.. IF we're willing to let him dink and dunk and he throws to the right team, that could open up the run.
A "who knows who cares" game just turned into a, "who knows, at least this could be interesting, although also ugly", game.
All along has been a "Better stop by the gas station for energy drinks", game.
Are Big 12(10 err?) defenses still Big 12 defenses. I.E. Indiana? That's my best hope.
Gun to your head...
Would you prefer Shane look amazing, but Michigan lose a close, well-played game? Or Shane look awful and Michigan win an ugly battle?
Well if Michigan loses they'll get a better draft pi... oh wait.
Mostly because that's always the answer to questions like this, but also partly because I don't share your sense of the importance of Morris's first start in predicting future performance. A lot of very good quarterbacks didn't look so hot in their first real action.
However, if Shane is awful...it may not be all on him. It could me we have no progression in the OL, WRs or young RBs.
I agree you always win, but it would feel kind of "meh" for me if we won 10-7 with a fluke defensive or special teams TD and a FG while the offense did nothing all game.
For fans, bowls games are usually about celebrating a great year/honoring seniors or trying to get a glimpse of the future.
It doesn't really mean anything if Morris sucks, but it may mean something if he's very very good. May mean we have a legitimate QB for this coaching staff and a bright spot to lead the way down the road.
Remember Forcier's first game? It wasn't spactacular, but it certainly gave us some oxygen after the Threet/Sheridan year.
For me personally, I want the win because typically that'll mean SOMEONE played well. If our defense is lights out, I'll be just as excited as if Morris threw for 300 yards and 3 TDs.
Easy question. Shane look good and lose. Essentially this win doesn't mean much in the big picture. I'd rather Shane look like the real deal and we lose a close game than Shane look completely lost. That would say a lot about coaching as well.
Michigan wins a game with less than 200 yards of offense that most people believed they shouldn't have been invited to over a team that finished second in a conference whose champion gave up 70 points to West Virginia in that year's Orange Bowl.
Damn right I want Michigan to win, don't care how ugly it is.
If this was the Sugar Bowl, this wouldn't be a question. This is the BWW Bowl with the backup QB.
The BCS has rendered most bowl games into exhibitions that are shells of their former selves. Does winning a BCS game mean more than winning the BWW Bowl, aside from the amount of the payout to the school? Sure, it's more prestigious and you are more likely to buy a T-shirt or sweatshirt with "SUGAR BOWL CHAMPIONS" on it, but what does it actually mean? Michigan wasn't even runner-up in their conference and they played a team that WAS runner-up in a conference that was considered to be something of a joke. It was a sloppy but tense affair that was certainly more entertaining than the next college football game played in that stadium between Alabama and LSU, but aside from our fans and maybe those of Va. Tech, no one really remembers it.
People remember the 2005 Rose Bowl played by (confrence champion) Michigan and Texas (who were not technically their conference runners-up as they were not represented in the Big XII conference championship game) as being a great game, and it was, but it was a great game that we lost, and being 46 years old I feel that I've already sat through MORE than my fair share of those. Give me a "W", please...uglier'n hell if it needs to be.
and didn't he and Shane come out of school along with USC's Max Browne as the three '13 QB studs? I realize Shane missed most of his senior year and didn't enroll early but if Hackenberg could play well this year why can't Morris?
If he plays well there is no QB controversy, come on man. Gardner has earned the right to be the senior starter in '14. Even if Shane looks like Peyton Manning running Borges' offense, that should just make us excited for '15 (and also for '14 knowing Gardner can maybe risk designed runs a little more).
...he wins the job. No college QB in history has ever looked like Peyton Manning, and that includes Peyton Manning.
Remember that ratings are based on pro potential, not their ultimate college potential or, even more importantly, where they come in. While Shane has all the physical tools, loads of arm strength, and flashes of accuracy, he is still quite raw for a player. His rating was based much more on his sky-high potential than a player like Hackenberg, who was already fairly developed as far as consistency, accuracy, etc, but doesn't really have the same arm strength as Morris.
100% disagree. The best players should play. If Shane is a better option than Devin and gives you a chance to win you owe it the rest of the guys out there to play the better player.
This isn't a slight against Devin. He was a highly rated QB coming out of HS and I'm a big fan of what he's done and I think he's represented the university well. Not trying to run him out of town or anything either.
We all know this board and Michigan fans...hell just college football fans in general.
Again, I DON'T AGREE with it. But as soon as DG threw a pick next year, Michigan nation would be calling for Morris.
To say otherwise is a complete LIE. Gardner threw picks THIS YEAR without us ever seeing Morris and people were calling for him. Imagine if those same people watched him go 400 and 4 TDs vs. KSU. It would be unbearable.
If Morris goes 400 yards and 4 TDs and looks good then why should the job be handed to Devin next year? That shows our offense is better suited for Shane than Devin. Its more than just stats though, its all about how Shane controls the offense.
This seems pretty typical of how the season would end after all the crap that's happened.
Shane's lack of mobility combined with our offensive line, I fear this might be a NCAA record for sacks.
He actually looked quite mobile and aggressive against MSU. Not running QB mobile, but footwork and escapability mobile. He can move around.
No. Because Shane won't run outside his blockers or 20 yards in the wrong direction
But the one thing that helps Michigan in this case is that the base offense that they install with their QBs first (think something between the offense that Michigan ran when DG first came in last year and the South Carolina game, with a little less designed QB running but still a little to keep the defense honest and because it's been practiced anyway; quite a bit of I form, quick PA passes outside, easy reads, lots of single WR with a TE running the seam, mostly 21 personnel, probably Funchess a bit more at TE in passing situations because of that, etc) still sets up for a way moving the ball on KSU. They'll have to continue their improvement run blocking. The RBs, in an odd way, may benefit from this, while it's highly unlikely the run game as a whole does, it can open up some of the base type plays a bit.
The issue is that Michigan's biggest problem on offense now just got a heavy dose of the same problem: inconsistency. For how inconsistent DG was behind an inconsistent OL, a true FR will likely be more so. The key will likely be how they string together plays and rhythm. They need a few drives where they get into a rhythm and score TDs combined with the big play, because if it's just 1-2 good plays mixed with 1-2 bad plays, they will stall a lot. I think if the RBs can continue to get positive yardage and push that average to around 3.5-4 in the process, then some of the short hitch game, outs, and then double moves to the sideline can allow for such a rhythm, but it will all start up front.
Good. Rest up for next season Devin, you did all you could this year.
At least this way, Shane's lost year of eligibiilty has a little bit of meaning.
I hope Morris channels Chad Henne vs. Florida.
I guess it's time to re-write my preview posts...
Kid has a chance to make a name for himself. Crappy news on Devin, especially since I already put money on us taking 3.5, the line will surely go up to 5 or 6 based on this news, I should have waited to bet.
I remember when we had a team so good that we won the NC with Tom Brady on the bench. I would prefer a situation next year to have DG starting and be very confident with SM as a backup knowing that it is his team the following year.
Do your thang, Shane!
Sorry if off topic but I believe I saw jarrod Wilson still wearing a cast on his hand in one of the recent bowl preview vids. Would imagine we see Furman in his place again
As much as I think it hurts our chances to win this game becaus we will miss Gardner's feet, experience, decision making, etc. I still think we can win with Morris. I am excited to see what Morris can do. I think this will be good experience for him to get his feet wet, get an idea of what it takes to play at UM, and get his competitive juices flowing for the coming years.
The real question is, how's his redshirt status looking?
Is that they knew before bowl practices began that Shane would be the starter, so at least all of the preparation would be focused on him. Certainly a better scenario than being thrown suddenly into the game....
but I think the Shane Morris Truthers will realize quickly that DG is a mile ahead of Shane. What a f'ing warrior playing on a broken foot against OSU
We already know he can't run like Devin but maybe he can read the defense better and know in advance of the snap where he needs to throw. But we will absolutely need to stay out of third and long situations and I know we have said that enough to make it cliche' this year, but I can't stress this enough its a must. Once in a while will be ok but to continually get into that situation will be the death of us. I know, who didn't already know that? sorry to tell you that most snow is white (with the exception of where my dog may have been) but it is what it is, and don't forget this damn game has to be played in the year that has been most unkind to us, 2013. Also the sky is blue for most of the day. One other thing I wonder if he beat out Cleary or if he is still to tender to play from injury, that in itself could be a good sign Shane is good enough to win this game.....Go Shane and GO BLUE!!!
quicker releases, and balls thrown away to avoid a sack. Shane is considered a passer and doesn't rely on his feet like a dual threat QB. So, maybe he feels pressure better and has a little more success passing.
That would open the run game, which in turn makes play action more viable.
I'll let you know after the first 10 passes if my thesis is valid.
accurate...I don't know.
Really? Because one of the criticisms on him was he focused on one reciever and didn't survey the field. Also, that he only threw to the left side of the field well.
Wow...you're expecting a lot from a true freshman who didn't play much as a senior and isn't super polished in the first place.
Put in Devin.
80 yard bomb into the end zone, right?
This was supposed to be a reply to a different comment.
Would be a KSU blow out win and Shane looking horrible at QB. I would like to see a tough defensive game with a close win and Shane doing well. DG will be the starter next season but it would be great to have Shane able to step in and win games next season if DG gets injured.
Best Christmas gift ever
Whatever happened to them?
I get that there is some gamesmanship, but I'd love to be able to kill time until the game watching Shane lead the offense in practice.
MGoBlue.com - c'mon guys.
I was confused by your comment at first, but get it now.
I deleted the text from my previous dumb response.
Well I guess I can pull my #7 jersey out of the closet
This ought to be interesting. It will give the coaches some hard evidence into Shane's game skills. He's has all the reps leading up to this game, so he prepared.
By far the #1 concern is his accuracy
Accuracy has never been his strong suit. In high school, in the Army all American game, and the few throws this season, the knock has been bad accuracy. Cannon arm, but no idea where it's going.
This is a huge game for Shane. I hope he does well
I wonder if this means the OL will flip and Taylor will play RT.
Borges said yesterday they would not flip the tackles. Comfortable with both.
is there going to be a Sprightly/Morris fight in 2015 to start lol. yes I look that far ahead.
It would be nice for Michigan to put in the backup QB and have good things happen which has rarely happened for this team in the past. The law of averages has to kick in one of these days, right?
Went back to the turn of the century and came up with this. Only includes games where the backup started the game.
2000 - Navarre Fills in for Henson
Bowling Green = W
Rice = W
UCLA = L
2001 = Navarre starts every game.
2002 = Navarre starts every game.
2003 = Navarre starts every game.
2004 = Henne replaces Gutierrez for first game.
Goes 9-3, Big Ten Title and Rose Bowl
2005 = Henne starts every game.
2006 = Henne starts every game.
2007 = Mallette fills in for Henne.
Penn State = W
Minnesota = W
2008 = (Who was the actual starter?)
2009 = Forcier starts every game.
2010 = Robinson starts every game.
2011 = Robinson starts every game.
2012 = Gardner Fills in for Robinson
Minnesota = W
Iowa = W
Ohio = L
S. Carolina = L
2013 = Morris fills in for Gardner
K. State = ?
6-3 or 15-6 over the last 13 seasons (depends if you want to count the entire 2004 season), with 3 or 4 of the losses coming against top 10 teams at the time, does not seem like we have struggled in this scenario.
Give me the under. The "Morris Truthers" are a special kind of stupid.
EDIT: This was in response to the guy (waaay up the thread) who put the over/under at 2.5 drives for the people agitating for Morris over Gardner to realize they were wrong.
Excited for Shane personally but I fear if he dosen't have a good game, that a lot of ingorant fans will throw him under the bus and try to discount him as our future QB.
Hopefully he does well. Sorry to hear about Gardner.
Shane and O line get ready for blitz after blitz. Have those draw plays on deck Al.
I went to the same high school as Shane. I feel like a boss
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly from The Opening at Nike's Campus, Aug 2012
The Good: Quick release. The ball came out like a rifle shot. Was accurate to his left and center. Of note, he threw a 35 yard bullet, in traffic for a TD to a 6'6" tight end (ALA Commit) that looked like an NFL throw in accuracy and speed. The blog writers around me were literally speechless after that throw. He can also run well - good hips and first step. He was probably the 3rd or 4th best QB that day, but the consensus around me was that he was the most fun to watch because of what he might do on any given trow.
The Bad: Didn't complete a high percentage of throws and relatively large # of intreceptions. Had difficulty with shorter "touch" passes that Joe Montana throw so well. Overthows got picked off in zone coverage.
The ugly: Looked much worse than the other pro-set QB's on progressions.
One of the opposing teams coaches (Neil Lomax) said he had an NFL arm. However, he was erratic and PSU's Hackenberg and the 6'6" Seattle kid going to USC looked miles ahead of him in terms of touch and receiver option progression.
As a side note, Jake Butt and Jordan Lewis looked great that day. Jake's dad come over to talk to me (salt of the earth guy) when he saw my M outfit - asked if I was a former CB. Great talk and story for another time.
---Jake Butt's dad.
Lots of comments about whether or not the game matters. It damn well does.
Lots of comments about Morris with predictions ranging from he'll be horrible to maybe just OK. Almost no one predicting a break out game for him along with their being a fair number of references to the Morris "truthers" movement. But to be objective, Devin's results were at best inconsistent, so it is not unreasonable to wonder how things would be with someone else.
First, I would say that Gardner is a huge talent, and I would much rather see him start this bowl game, but he also went through a long stretch in the middle of the season where he under achieved relative to his talent even given the obvious interior 0-Iine deficiencies. What we don't know is how much of it was his own indecisiveness, injury or probably and most likely, Al Borges.
Al Borges, above all things, demonstrates the behaviors of an ideologue. Only a stubborn, rigid, even arrogant person could bring us game plans of the likes that delivered us the Penn State and Nebraska debacles. And who the hell can forget (not forgive) the BS game plan he conjured up for the 2nd half of the Ohio game in 2012? After putting up 21pts in the first half with Denard and Devin sharing the field he totally abandoned that approach. I wonder if someone from either Ohio, Sparty or Nebraska has compromising pictures of him somewhere that they'll publish if he calls a competent game plan against them.
The game matters, we'd be better with Devin, I hope like hell Shane is ready and actually think he will play well, and I hope like hell Borges doesn't F the whole thing up like he has the rest of the season.
I hope Shane does well, howwver, I have a sinking feeling that he will not live up to his 4 -5 status. Not being accurare is a huge problem and haivng a "big arm" is not the advantage it used to be. Color me skeptical.
Whatever happens you can't take too much away from one start. He could try to force things a little. It very we'll may be his only start until 2015.
The majority of the fanbase is behind you. Those that aren't, who cares.