things go poorly
he's gonna be a fine addition to the program, lolz all around
I hate the sore loser jokes about Ohio not going to a bowl after they beat us, but this one made me giggle.
Yeah no kidding. Trying to pretend that going to the Capital One Bowl or the Outback Bowl is something better than going 12-0 is just so lame
I'd rather be 12-0 than 8-4...
...but being 8-4 and going to a bowl is better than being 12-0 and a bunch of cheaters. I would hate it if Michigan football had the same rep as Ohio State football. I'm not a huge basketball fan, but it's still embarrassing what happened with Steve Fisher, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, et al.
,,,not to mention all the extra practice time the team gets for going to a bowl.
I always thought they should allow non-bowl teams the chance to also practice extra.
For a league that loves to hide behind the "competitive balance" meme, letting the good teams practice more than the bad teams seems weird.
It's an NCAA rule, not a Big Ten rule.
Back to the topic at hand, this is my favorite joke about the situation:
they dont' get the practice time? Or are they allowed to do that? After all, Delany allowed them to have the Division title!!!!
The program cheated.
And Michigan's sanctions were BS. They're not on the same level as receiving perks for playing football at the school. You may not believe it because you're apparently an Ohio State fan, but Michigan's sanctions were for extra stretching time that numerous schools use...and just don't get caught.
Also, your then-coach Tressel allowed ineligible players to play. I'd say that's football-related, you know, when your starting QB and starting RB (and a few others) shouldn't even be on the field.
The "everyone does it" defense only apparently works here and not when pointing out other schools have rude fans. Noted.
How do you personally feel about Tressel and his NCAA violation now that your Buckeyes went undefeated and should be in contention for the National Championship game? Were you among those cheering his return to the 'Shoe on Saturday or did it turn your stomach? Honest question, no vitriol intended. I sat in front of my TV imagining how immensely pissed I would be if I were an OSU fan watching Tressel get carried on shoulders while his former players fight their a--es off only to finish a 12 moral victories.
I can only speak for myself, but I have mixed emotions about it. Part of me is happy because he did being us the best decade we've seen in a long long time. However, I am somewhat aberrant because if he didn't lie, we would be vying for a national championship. However, I feel like even if we didn't have a bowl ban, it would be tough to secure a spot in that game. I think the BCS would be 1. ND, 2. Alabama, 3. OSU, 4. Georgia, 5. Oregon. And I think the winner of the SEC championship would jump OSU. So, I would see OSU beating Nebraska in a close game, then playing Stanford in the Rose Bowl. That's just me though.
Tressel deserved to be fired and is the man responsible for our pending January inactivity. But the dude was a legend here for 10 years. One mistkae doesn't make me hate him. I'll support him forever. That doesn't mean I think he did the right thing--far from it--but when someone you care about for so long screws up, you don't just lose feelings for them.
They weren't honoring Tressel, they were honoring Craig Krenzel, Will Smith, Cie Grant, Will Allen, Chris Gamble, Michael Jenkins, Drew Carter, and the rest of the 2002 National Championship team. Tressel happened to coach that team. I cheered, yes. Do I still like Tressel as much as I did pre-TP? No. Do I still appreciate everything good he did for the University? Yes.
You would be with the rest of your chorts, hiding under a rock!
Thanks for visiting our board! I know you are worried!!
I too am concerned about Urban's 0.500 record against Michigan, but thanks for visiting us. I know you should get back on the road delivering your next shipment to Walmart.
Hate to break it to ya, but Urban Myer is 1-0 vs. Michigan. Fickell was their coach last year.
I seem to remember this happening against Meyer in the Capital One bowl.
Like I said Meyer is 0.500 against Michigan.
You beating Meyer in Florida doesn't have any relevance to him coaching the Buckeyes. Buckeye fans don't care if he lost to Michigan while coaching Florida, he's 1-0 against Michigan as the Buckeyes coach. Also, I hope you realize that Mattison was the Defensive Coordinator in that game under Meyer.
Yet, Brady Hoke's overall record at San Diego State and BSU is somehow relevant? Silly buckeye logic and reasoning.
I never once brought up Hoke's record at different schools, that was a different Buckeye poster. I do agree with you that Hoke's record at other schools are not relevant. He's 1-1 against Ohio State. Hoke is a good coach who turned around two bad programs. Also, you shouldn't lump all Buckeyes illogical reasonings into one as some, like myself, are able to have thoughtful discussions even with Michigan fans.
You are definitely right about not grouping Ohio fans together. Unfortunately, you are swimming against a strong riptide and establishing yourself is going to be difficult due to the idiocity (new word) of the vast majority of Ohio fans that appear on this Board. Apologies to you on behalf of your bretheren.
I understand and accept that. Every fan base has their bad apples. However, I know that every school has their fair share of fans who can actually hold an intelligent discussion without throwing out stupid things. On Eleven Warriors, there a few Michigan fans that comment and are intelligent, well spoken commenters. I hope to run into the same fans here.
How was that comment in any way douchey? All I said was that school has stupid fans, OSU included. However, I met some cool Michigan fans on Eleven Warriors who I had civil conversations with. I expect the same here. In no way is that douchey or being a troll.
Yes, I agree with you.
I am sorry for that shot towards all buckeyes. The illogical reasoning comment was more directed towards the troll that originally posted the comment about Hoke's overall record at BSU and SDS. You seem like an intelligent individual. I hope you stay around.
Isn't Brady Hoke .500 against OSU?!
Yeah, that one counts I suppose. I was referring to him as coach at OSU, but you're right.
Hate to break it to yaq, but your reading comprehension sucks. Also, go look it up. Urban Meyer vs. UM: 1-1.
Yeah....There was a certain bowl game against the Florida Gators...the only bowl game one Tim Tebow lost.
Acting like OSU fans give two shits about Urban's record against Michigan at programs other than OSU makes less than zero sense.
so does believing Michigan fans care about Brady's record at BSU and SDS. Yet here we are.
we are real worried here about Urban too. He leaves sleeze where ever he goes. Not so much worried about what he does to ohio, but the B1G doesn't need any more sleeze than you've already given us.
At least try to know what your coach and AD were guilty of.
---Players breaking NCAA policy
---Coaches and administrators hiding it.
---Coaches and possibly others lying about it to the NCAA
---Ineligable players on field.
Nice job BTW of honoring a man with no honor last Saturday.
With all due respect, that ACTION had no honor, but are we defined in total by one given action? If so, no one on this planet has any honor.
Jim Tressel did MULTITUDES of positive things for the community and his players.
Yes, I'm a Buckeye fan. No, I'm not proud of that whole scandal. Yes, I am proud of Jim Tressel's career at OSU mostly as a whole, but not the last bit of it.
Good game Saturday - it was cool to see both teams fired up for The Game.
Ineligible players. He also lied about it 3 times, because he thought he had a shot at a national title.
You then honored a liar and a cheat, as well as a team that won with Maurice Clarett.....Ohio State, the beacon of morals, and integrity.
For your reading pleasure:
Here's one of my favorite parts:
"But few know why Clarett kept answering "I don't know" to the NCAA's questions. The NCAA kept asking where he got his cash, cars and trinkets, and Clarett claims he kept saying "I don't know" or "I just magically got them" or "I don't remember." Geiger was furious with him for that, and the NCAA ran him out for that. But Clarett says he lied to save his coach's hide, lied because he thought his coach would convince Geiger to keep him eligible, lied because he didn't want to implicate the men in Columbus with deep pockets."
Disagree. I would rather be 8-4 with a clean program, than 12-0 and paying our players with tats, weed, and cars.
I never said we were perfectly clean. Since you brought it up... stretching vs. Free Tats/Weed/Cars...One is not like the other. I guess they don't teach basic logic and reading comprehension at Ohio State.
Since I am a certified in secondary mathematics education, I could help you learn basic logic.
It was a bit more than stretching. 5 extra de facto coaches, coaches observing off-season workouts, and exceeding in-season practice limits (every other team had to do their stretching during the alloted 20 hours). You're telling me that five extra coaches doesn't confer any competitive advantage?
Did you see us with Rich Rod in 2008...? All of those violations are minor violations in nature. However, due to the Michigan athletic department coming off of probation due to the Fab Five fiasco, the violations were deemed major by the NCAA.
It wasn't five extra coaches. It was five extra athletic trainers that oversaw stretching. Let's not forget that we invited the NCAA into our AD unlike Ohio State that chose to stonewall. If the NCAA looked at Ohio's compliance department i am sure they would find the same violations.
OSU initially reported Tressel's violation in January and invited NCAA investigators to interview Tressel and others who may have been involved. NCAA investigators were on campus from February through May or June. OSU cooperated fully.
As for the QA staffers, they "regularly monitored and conducted skill-development activities," and coached players on technique. That's more than stretching. Coaches were also in attendance at 7-on-7 drills in the offseason. That's more than stretching. They were major violations.
I understand you need to lie to yourself to validate the last ten years of your program's outright cheating under Tressel. You know you've been dirty. But just accept that was what happened and move on. This Ohio fan tendency toward revisionism is maddening and, ultimately, delusional.
First, Tressel knew of the issues at play re: tatgate, cars, Pryor, Herron etc. in April 2010. Allegations related to TPeezy surfaced in public in December of 2010 and, if you recall, Gene Smith conducted a forthright internal investigation (he evidently shuffled some paper and called your crack compliance staff) before telling the B1G, BCS and NCAA that all was fine. Of course, he had obfuscated in order to enable player to compete against Arkansas.
OSU did minimize and limit reporting in January and this led to the ridiculous presser with E. Gordon Gee, Smith and Tressel with the "fire me" quote.
NCAA investigators were on campus at Ohio because novel allegations kept coming up with new evidence (and as such TPeezy took the supplemental route so he could avoid testifying to the NCAA) and Tressel got the opportunity to work for the Indianapolis Colts.
I don't mind the myopic idiocy of Ohio fans. It is who you are. However, your continuous lying to yourselves about what happened (as if that will make it go away) is pointless.
Engage in revisionism all you want but you can't deny the truth.
Read it again, moron. I know reading is a difficult skill to learn due to the shitty state of public education in Ohio. Even though teachers are getting dragged across hot coals in Michigan, there is a reason I am avoiding teaching in Toledo/NC Ohio.
Among other violations, U-M acknowledged that quality-control staffers improperly conducted voluntary summer workouts and were present “on occasion” for voluntary seven-on-seven scrimmages during the summer.
Thanks for ignoring the main point that each of these violations were secondary in nature, but were bumped up to major due to AD probation that was ending.
Oh, sorry. In Ohio, we learn to use primary sources rather than media summaries. I was going from the NCAA Committee on Infractions report, which stated that:
"[T]he five quality control staff members monitored and conducted skill-development activities with student-athletes, offered advice on technique to student-athletes during practices and critiqued film with student-athletes...For example, three quarterbacks stated that the quality control staffer who worked with them conducted and led drills designed to improve their drop backs, play fakes and roll outs, among other skills. The quality control staff member called out plays, and the quarterbacks were required to perform the footwork associated with the play. The staff member corrected the quarterbacks if mistakes were made in techniques pertaining to dropping back, handoffs and footwork...From January 2008 through September 2009, the quality control staff members watched game and/or practice film with football student-athletes and provided advice and/or corrections to the football student-athletes pertaining to technique and plays. This activity only occurred occasionally but, as it is defined as a coaching function, it can only be performed by the designated members of the coaching staff."
You can find it at http://www.annarbor.com/2010/11/04/NCAA-Michigan-report.pdf.
Hey, are you Gene Smith?
Is that what its like for the NCAA dealing with you guys?
I provided the ESPN link for your benefit; principally the simplicity of it.
The timeline on the OSU information on Tressel is all over the internet and in the decision published by the NCAA. You don't speak of this issue but, rather, revert back to discussion of Michigan practicegate as if the two things are the same. We both know they are not.
You keep up the revisionism and obfuscation Gene.
You are correct that the two situations are not the same. One involved players trading memorabilia for tattoos. The other involved players getting extra coaching at their positions.