he's gonna be a fine addition to the program, lolz all around
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
he's gonna be a fine addition to the program, lolz all around
I hate the sore loser jokes about Ohio not going to a bowl after they beat us, but this one made me giggle.
Yeah no kidding. Trying to pretend that going to the Capital One Bowl or the Outback Bowl is something better than going 12-0 is just so lame
I'd rather be 12-0 than 8-4...
...but being 8-4 and going to a bowl is better than being 12-0 and a bunch of cheaters. I would hate it if Michigan football had the same rep as Ohio State football. I'm not a huge basketball fan, but it's still embarrassing what happened with Steve Fisher, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, et al.
,,,not to mention all the extra practice time the team gets for going to a bowl.
I always thought they should allow non-bowl teams the chance to also practice extra.
For a league that loves to hide behind the "competitive balance" meme, letting the good teams practice more than the bad teams seems weird.
It's an NCAA rule, not a Big Ten rule.
Back to the topic at hand, this is my favorite joke about the situation:
they dont' get the practice time? Or are they allowed to do that? After all, Delany allowed them to have the Division title!!!!
The program cheated.
And Michigan's sanctions were BS. They're not on the same level as receiving perks for playing football at the school. You may not believe it because you're apparently an Ohio State fan, but Michigan's sanctions were for extra stretching time that numerous schools use...and just don't get caught.
Also, your then-coach Tressel allowed ineligible players to play. I'd say that's football-related, you know, when your starting QB and starting RB (and a few others) shouldn't even be on the field.
The "everyone does it" defense only apparently works here and not when pointing out other schools have rude fans. Noted.
How do you personally feel about Tressel and his NCAA violation now that your Buckeyes went undefeated and should be in contention for the National Championship game? Were you among those cheering his return to the 'Shoe on Saturday or did it turn your stomach? Honest question, no vitriol intended. I sat in front of my TV imagining how immensely pissed I would be if I were an OSU fan watching Tressel get carried on shoulders while his former players fight their a--es off only to finish a 12 moral victories.
I can only speak for myself, but I have mixed emotions about it. Part of me is happy because he did being us the best decade we've seen in a long long time. However, I am somewhat aberrant because if he didn't lie, we would be vying for a national championship. However, I feel like even if we didn't have a bowl ban, it would be tough to secure a spot in that game. I think the BCS would be 1. ND, 2. Alabama, 3. OSU, 4. Georgia, 5. Oregon. And I think the winner of the SEC championship would jump OSU. So, I would see OSU beating Nebraska in a close game, then playing Stanford in the Rose Bowl. That's just me though.
Tressel deserved to be fired and is the man responsible for our pending January inactivity. But the dude was a legend here for 10 years. One mistkae doesn't make me hate him. I'll support him forever. That doesn't mean I think he did the right thing--far from it--but when someone you care about for so long screws up, you don't just lose feelings for them.
They weren't honoring Tressel, they were honoring Craig Krenzel, Will Smith, Cie Grant, Will Allen, Chris Gamble, Michael Jenkins, Drew Carter, and the rest of the 2002 National Championship team. Tressel happened to coach that team. I cheered, yes. Do I still like Tressel as much as I did pre-TP? No. Do I still appreciate everything good he did for the University? Yes.
You would be with the rest of your chorts, hiding under a rock!
Thanks for visiting our board! I know you are worried!!
I too am concerned about Urban's 0.500 record against Michigan, but thanks for visiting us. I know you should get back on the road delivering your next shipment to Walmart.
Hate to break it to ya, but Urban Myer is 1-0 vs. Michigan. Fickell was their coach last year.
I seem to remember this happening against Meyer in the Capital One bowl.
Like I said Meyer is 0.500 against Michigan.
You beating Meyer in Florida doesn't have any relevance to him coaching the Buckeyes. Buckeye fans don't care if he lost to Michigan while coaching Florida, he's 1-0 against Michigan as the Buckeyes coach. Also, I hope you realize that Mattison was the Defensive Coordinator in that game under Meyer.
Yet, Brady Hoke's overall record at San Diego State and BSU is somehow relevant? Silly buckeye logic and reasoning.
I never once brought up Hoke's record at different schools, that was a different Buckeye poster. I do agree with you that Hoke's record at other schools are not relevant. He's 1-1 against Ohio State. Hoke is a good coach who turned around two bad programs. Also, you shouldn't lump all Buckeyes illogical reasonings into one as some, like myself, are able to have thoughtful discussions even with Michigan fans.
You are definitely right about not grouping Ohio fans together. Unfortunately, you are swimming against a strong riptide and establishing yourself is going to be difficult due to the idiocity (new word) of the vast majority of Ohio fans that appear on this Board. Apologies to you on behalf of your bretheren.
I understand and accept that. Every fan base has their bad apples. However, I know that every school has their fair share of fans who can actually hold an intelligent discussion without throwing out stupid things. On Eleven Warriors, there a few Michigan fans that comment and are intelligent, well spoken commenters. I hope to run into the same fans here.
How was that comment in any way douchey? All I said was that school has stupid fans, OSU included. However, I met some cool Michigan fans on Eleven Warriors who I had civil conversations with. I expect the same here. In no way is that douchey or being a troll.
Yes, I agree with you.
I am sorry for that shot towards all buckeyes. The illogical reasoning comment was more directed towards the troll that originally posted the comment about Hoke's overall record at BSU and SDS. You seem like an intelligent individual. I hope you stay around.
Isn't Brady Hoke .500 against OSU?!
Yeah, that one counts I suppose. I was referring to him as coach at OSU, but you're right.
Hate to break it to yaq, but your reading comprehension sucks. Also, go look it up. Urban Meyer vs. UM: 1-1.
Yeah....There was a certain bowl game against the Florida Gators...the only bowl game one Tim Tebow lost.
Acting like OSU fans give two shits about Urban's record against Michigan at programs other than OSU makes less than zero sense.
so does believing Michigan fans care about Brady's record at BSU and SDS. Yet here we are.
we are real worried here about Urban too. He leaves sleeze where ever he goes. Not so much worried about what he does to ohio, but the B1G doesn't need any more sleeze than you've already given us.
At least try to know what your coach and AD were guilty of.
---Players breaking NCAA policy
---Coaches and administrators hiding it.
---Coaches and possibly others lying about it to the NCAA
---Ineligable players on field.
Nice job BTW of honoring a man with no honor last Saturday.
With all due respect, that ACTION had no honor, but are we defined in total by one given action? If so, no one on this planet has any honor.
Jim Tressel did MULTITUDES of positive things for the community and his players.
Yes, I'm a Buckeye fan. No, I'm not proud of that whole scandal. Yes, I am proud of Jim Tressel's career at OSU mostly as a whole, but not the last bit of it.
Good game Saturday - it was cool to see both teams fired up for The Game.
Ineligible players. He also lied about it 3 times, because he thought he had a shot at a national title.
You then honored a liar and a cheat, as well as a team that won with Maurice Clarett.....Ohio State, the beacon of morals, and integrity.
For your reading pleasure:
Here's one of my favorite parts:
"But few know why Clarett kept answering "I don't know" to the NCAA's questions. The NCAA kept asking where he got his cash, cars and trinkets, and Clarett claims he kept saying "I don't know" or "I just magically got them" or "I don't remember." Geiger was furious with him for that, and the NCAA ran him out for that. But Clarett says he lied to save his coach's hide, lied because he thought his coach would convince Geiger to keep him eligible, lied because he didn't want to implicate the men in Columbus with deep pockets."
Disagree. I would rather be 8-4 with a clean program, than 12-0 and paying our players with tats, weed, and cars.
I never said we were perfectly clean. Since you brought it up... stretching vs. Free Tats/Weed/Cars...One is not like the other. I guess they don't teach basic logic and reading comprehension at Ohio State.
Since I am a certified in secondary mathematics education, I could help you learn basic logic.
It was a bit more than stretching. 5 extra de facto coaches, coaches observing off-season workouts, and exceeding in-season practice limits (every other team had to do their stretching during the alloted 20 hours). You're telling me that five extra coaches doesn't confer any competitive advantage?
Did you see us with Rich Rod in 2008...? All of those violations are minor violations in nature. However, due to the Michigan athletic department coming off of probation due to the Fab Five fiasco, the violations were deemed major by the NCAA.
It wasn't five extra coaches. It was five extra athletic trainers that oversaw stretching. Let's not forget that we invited the NCAA into our AD unlike Ohio State that chose to stonewall. If the NCAA looked at Ohio's compliance department i am sure they would find the same violations.
OSU initially reported Tressel's violation in January and invited NCAA investigators to interview Tressel and others who may have been involved. NCAA investigators were on campus from February through May or June. OSU cooperated fully.
As for the QA staffers, they "regularly monitored and conducted skill-development activities," and coached players on technique. That's more than stretching. Coaches were also in attendance at 7-on-7 drills in the offseason. That's more than stretching. They were major violations.
I understand you need to lie to yourself to validate the last ten years of your program's outright cheating under Tressel. You know you've been dirty. But just accept that was what happened and move on. This Ohio fan tendency toward revisionism is maddening and, ultimately, delusional.
First, Tressel knew of the issues at play re: tatgate, cars, Pryor, Herron etc. in April 2010. Allegations related to TPeezy surfaced in public in December of 2010 and, if you recall, Gene Smith conducted a forthright internal investigation (he evidently shuffled some paper and called your crack compliance staff) before telling the B1G, BCS and NCAA that all was fine. Of course, he had obfuscated in order to enable player to compete against Arkansas.
OSU did minimize and limit reporting in January and this led to the ridiculous presser with E. Gordon Gee, Smith and Tressel with the "fire me" quote.
NCAA investigators were on campus at Ohio because novel allegations kept coming up with new evidence (and as such TPeezy took the supplemental route so he could avoid testifying to the NCAA) and Tressel got the opportunity to work for the Indianapolis Colts.
I don't mind the myopic idiocy of Ohio fans. It is who you are. However, your continuous lying to yourselves about what happened (as if that will make it go away) is pointless.
Engage in revisionism all you want but you can't deny the truth.
Read it again, moron. I know reading is a difficult skill to learn due to the shitty state of public education in Ohio. Even though teachers are getting dragged across hot coals in Michigan, there is a reason I am avoiding teaching in Toledo/NC Ohio.
Among other violations, U-M acknowledged that quality-control staffers improperly conducted voluntary summer workouts and were present “on occasion” for voluntary seven-on-seven scrimmages during the summer.
Thanks for ignoring the main point that each of these violations were secondary in nature, but were bumped up to major due to AD probation that was ending.
Oh, sorry. In Ohio, we learn to use primary sources rather than media summaries. I was going from the NCAA Committee on Infractions report, which stated that:
"[T]he five quality control staff members monitored and conducted skill-development activities with student-athletes, offered advice on technique to student-athletes during practices and critiqued film with student-athletes...For example, three quarterbacks stated that the quality control staffer who worked with them conducted and led drills designed to improve their drop backs, play fakes and roll outs, among other skills. The quality control staff member called out plays, and the quarterbacks were required to perform the footwork associated with the play. The staff member corrected the quarterbacks if mistakes were made in techniques pertaining to dropping back, handoffs and footwork...From January 2008 through September 2009, the quality control staff members watched game and/or practice film with football student-athletes and provided advice and/or corrections to the football student-athletes pertaining to technique and plays. This activity only occurred occasionally but, as it is defined as a coaching function, it can only be performed by the designated members of the coaching staff."
You can find it at http://www.annarbor.com/2010/11/04/NCAA-Michigan-report.pdf.
Hey, are you Gene Smith?
Is that what its like for the NCAA dealing with you guys?
I provided the ESPN link for your benefit; principally the simplicity of it.
The timeline on the OSU information on Tressel is all over the internet and in the decision published by the NCAA. You don't speak of this issue but, rather, revert back to discussion of Michigan practicegate as if the two things are the same. We both know they are not.
You keep up the revisionism and obfuscation Gene.
You are correct that the two situations are not the same. One involved players trading memorabilia for tattoos. The other involved players getting extra coaching at their positions.
You still have not acknowledged that the timeline you identified about the "compliance" regarding the Pryor/Herron/Tressel issues was inherently wrong and misguided.
Are you somehow related to E. Gordon Gee as well?
The cars thing was found to have no legs. But hey, why not throw that in the mix too.
You would identify that issue...except, I brought it up because your hero TPeezy chose to go to the NFL rather than testify to the NCAA about the topic.
I'd tread lightly there until T Pryor's tell all book comes out in about two years when he's washed out of the league and needs to get money.
That's fine, and if that day comes I'll certainly be far from shocked. Pryor doesn't strike me as a guy that would turn down certain benefits. But as it stands, the NCAA, after an investigation, found that Pryor and co. legitimately acquired their cars. Pretending that OSU bought every five-star that walked through those doors a new car is inaccurate.
You're full of shit.
Really? Your comeback to an actual news source featuring actual news is a picture of Terrell Pryor next to a Corvette during his prom!? Haha seriously?! I drove an MG to prom. Do you know how easy it is to ask a parent's friend who has a cool car to borrow it for prom? Literally 50% of kids ever do that? Have you anything else? Like him driving that car on campus? Or not in a tux? Or ever again? Or no? I'm embarrassed for you.
Jonross, this article only focussed on whether the players got special deals on the cars. Apparently they paid full price. What I want to know is where did they get the money to purchase these cars?
Probably from a job, or their parents. Like how everyone gets money to pay for a car. It's not like they're driving Rolls Royce's. They're driving $15,000 Dodges, on the extreme high end. Most families can afford to lease/buy that. I see nothing that jumps off the page as egregious.
You are a homer...blinded by scarlet and grey...devoid of common sense.
I imagine they could easily afford $15000 Dodge cars if they had jobs with Bobby DiGeronimo...
You remember him, right?
"I see nothing that jumps off the page as egregious".
Except the part where players got suspended and Bobby D. had to disassociate with the program.
That's not what SI and yahoo discovered. Let's not pretend for a second that NCAA president Mark Emmert is good friends with President Gorden Gee from their undergraduate education. Or that the NCAA does not have subpoena power and could not call upon Pryor and Troy Smith. Too bad Pryor's money man kicked the bucket before he could talk or the Ohio State Supreme Court stonewalling ESPN's FOIA for Pryor's emails.
The NCAA doesn't have subpoena power? They're not a government agency? And did you just play the conspiracy card? Yikes.
You're fighting a losing battle, if only because you are totally outnumbered and dealing with people that are still upset about their favorite team losing a game that probably should have been won.
That said, do you really think the NCAA would have subpoenaed Pryor??? The NCAA has proven itself to be impotent and OSU quickly moved to sanction itself to avoid all of that. Just because more didn't come out in the investigation doesn't mean that more didn't actually occur. The same can be said for other schools too (Michigan?) but you're being a bit naiive when you state that Pryor was the only culprit in Tressel's downfall, in my opinion.
I'm not disagreeing with that. And it's very possible stuff occurred outside of the investigation. It's also possible stuff didn't. That's the point a significant portion of Michigan fans refuse to admit. The NCAA conducted an investigation, they found X happened, only biased people would conclude the investigation was wrong and that Y had to happen too and the investigation just missed it. Ask yourself, if this happened at UTEP, would everyone assume that the NCAA's findings were false? No, probably not. And for the record, the only person responsible for JT's downfall is JT. He had the chance to not lie. He didn't. He is the reason he got fired. Not TP, not Boom, not Eddie Rife.
Well said. It does seem as though Tressel is the main culprit in the whole thing - he personally should be held the most responsible for the sanctions. That's why it was interesting to see him honored. Why not bring back Clarrett too?? (Sorry, that was uncalled for.)
Well they weren't necessarily honoring Tressel, per se. They were honoring the 2002 National Champions on their 10 year anniversary. The timing was incredibly awkward, and I suppose Tressel could have not shown up, but what's done is done. And, actually they did bring Mo back haha.
Tell me where I was wrong? The NCAA is a non-profit organization (LOL at that). Everyone knows the Tatted 5 ran to the NFL to avoid talking to the NCAA. While Tressell's firing got turned into a "retirement" by Gordon Gee to shut him up. You are lucky Sarniak kicked the bucket as the IRS was closing in on him for tax evasion.
You didn't even read your own primary source. Here, in Michigan we learn to comprehend the main points along with supporting details in the text.
Sorry to jump in here, but your characterization of what, precisely, the NCAA found is actually factually incorrect. I assume you didn't read the entire document dump, but I (and others) around here did. And the statements you just made in this thread, in this post, are factually incorrect, per the NCAA. i realize it's a ton of pages, and (insert joke about literacy level...here), but if you want to make such specific points, you better be right about them. And you, simply, are not. Though the link starts with "vpcomm.umich.edu," this link takes you to the PDF of the NCAA's official findings. If you want to equate what we did to what you did, so be it, but please, try to be informed first. And comparing the two is asinine, btw. And doesn't even touch on the multiple "test drives" that TP took. But that was on the up and up, og course, because he clammed up and the NCAA couldn't get to him. Face it: If there had never been an organization involved with actual teeth (cough cough federal agents Ted Sarniak cough cough) none of your infractions, and the fact that your coach lied about them to NCAA investigators on multiple occasions, would never have come to light. The converse is how we handled the situation: by not stonewalling when a completely b.s article claiming that we-- no joke- were practicing like 20 MORE hours per week in season than allowed. Of course, every single specific allegation in that article was found to be factually incorrect by the NCAA. Just felt the need to point that out. We opened up our entire program (and actually cooperated, unlike feigned cooperation- yes, there's a difference), and the result was what's contained in the link. You halfway opened your program, only after lying about it, and it was discovered that your players were getting impermissible financial benefits. You think stretching and Grad Assistants seeing who attends class and 7 on 7 are the same as paying players? I pity you.
That's the same report I was quoting from. For example:
"Because the five quality control staff members monitored and conducted skill-development activities with student-athletes, offered advice on technique to student-athletes during practices and critiqued film with student-athletes, they became countable coaches." Id. at 1.
"[S]tudent-athletes were separated by position and the quality control personnel conducted position-specific drills with their respective groups. Drills varied according to the positions played by the student-athletes in each group but included work on skills such as blocking, back pedaling, handoffs and route running. With a goal of improving technique and developing fundamental football-related skills, the members of the quality control staff instructed the student-athletes on how to perform the drills and corrected the student- athletes if they saw mistakes being made.
For example, three quarterbacks stated that the quality control staffer who worked with them conducted and led drills designed to improve their drop backs, play fakes and roll outs, among other skills. The quality control staff member called out plays, and the quarterbacks were required to perform the footwork associated with the play. The staff member corrected the quarterbacks if mistakes were made in techniques pertaining to dropping back, handoffs and footwork." Id. at 3.
"From January 2008 through September 2009, the quality control staff members watched game and/or practice film with football student-athletes and provided advice and/or corrections to the football student-athletes pertaining to technique and plays." Id. at 4.
"Further, certain skill-development activities performed in winter and voluntary summer workouts became impermissible because they were not limited to weight training, conditioning and film review, and at times daily and weekly hour limitations for countable athletically related activities were violated." Id. at 1.
If you consider out-of-season practices and having QA staff act like five extra position coaches who conduct drills and review film with players to be less of an issue than players selling their own stuff, more power to you.
The point is, our violations were nowhere near the magnitude of yours, ours were ultimately a nuisance for the program but a non-event long term. Yours led to multiple years of wins being vacated, player suspensions for a large portion of the season, a bowl ban, and a multi-year show-cause penalty for your beloved coach. The question of whether our violations were 'a bit more than stretching' ignores the point that both of our schools were investigated, and Michigan came up relatively clean while Ohio came up extremely dirty. Your school is nothing like ours, so please stop trying to lump us in with you.
But I like cars and weed, though never at the same time.
.....aahhhh come on.......I'm smoking my car and driving my weed right now!
Listen you cock-juggling thundercunt, why don't you go back to the bridge you crawled out from under and go put on your BCS championship bound t-shirt.....oh wait.
I think it's great ohio wasted a perfect season for a year they can't go anywhere. Have fun watching Michigan on New Years Day!
that is funny as hell. But now it appears the comment you were originally replying to was deleted by the mods, so I am totally confused as to what you are yelling about since I was late to the party. Still funny though.
1) Where did you get weed and cars, tattoos for memorabilia is/was the issue 2) "OSU" didn't pay anyone. Edward Rife did. He is not an OSU staff member or coach or anything affiliated with the program. But you know, what are facts?
looks like someone didn't read the SI or yahoo reports about Pryor's time at Ohio. Ed Rife is a booster according to the NCAA.
Anyone can be a booster. Me and you too! That doesn't mean you're affiliated with the program. And sorry, I'm going to go by with what the NCAA found, not some hack at SI who had his story largely ripped by everyone and featured several inaccuracies (hello, current Buckeyes named in the article showing proof of trinket ownership. Where were you on that one Dohrman?) I mean jeeze, surprised you didn't bring up the raffles too!
Still a booster and the benefits he provided aka weed, cash, and cars constitute an illegal benefit. Thus negating their amatuer status in the eyes of the NCAA. Proof of memembership means jack, when it comes to the means they aquired the automobiles. I am sure joe public can go to Columbus Ford and "borrow" a car for months at a time with no down payment.
Yeah, except they whomped us before we didn't go to a bowl game. It's a bit different in that they won the game against us.
I usually don't like it because it reminds me of elementary school. You know, when you beat some kid in basketball and he says "oh yea, well you still can't divide!!" It's usually an attempt to take attention of the fact that you are really upset about the recent loss. In this case I didn't have a problem with it because it was clever. I try to stay away from the "HA HA NA NA NA NA BOO BOO" COMMENTS.
Edit: Forgot to take off caps lock
Well at Ohio State division is a graduate level course.
I'm really looking forward to reading what this kid has to say in the post game pressers over the next few years.
After he gets the Ft. Schembechler briefing, it may not be all that exciting.
But I hope he leads us to a win down there in 2014.
Its gonna be a lot of fun watchin this kid take snaps for the next 4 years
It's Devin's team next year.
First "nothing" punch line that said it all!
We've got Devin for 2013, 2014.
Redshirt Morris for 2013, let him take over 2015-2017
Perhaps obvious, but wanted it out there.
We'll only have three QBs on the roster and if Morris isn't better than Bellomy from day one I would be very disappointed.
Bellomy will be further along in knowing the system. Morris will surely be the better quarterback but he doesn't know what he doesn't know
What is the issue with him as he is nonexistent since Lincoln?
Gardner's 2013 season will likely be his last. The people at Michigan do not expect him to get a medical redshirt for 2010.
What's the source on this? Everything I have seen amounts to pure speculation
I would say that the source is the people at Michigan.
And that could mean anything, because as I understand things Touch The Banner doesn't have any connections to people at Michigan...
I don't have any friends on the coaching staff like Sam Webb, but I receive tidbits here and there from people connected to the program, parents of players, etc. I won't claim to have the inside track on everything, but I'm not completely in the dark, either.
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. I certainly appreciate your information and contributions. The "people at Michigan" comment just seemed like you were claiming a more profound source, in which case I was curious to learn more.
I have heard they are on the optimistic side of things.
I certainly hope that he gets a fifth year. Whether he's playing QB or WR, he's the best athlete we'll have at either position.
Love the enthusiasm. I will cherish the day we stomp Ohio and get to see the palpable stress on Urban's face.
While I found this somewhat humorous, I'm pretty sure most if not all OSU fans couldn't care less about a bowl right now. They beat us and capped off an undefeated season. They've set themselves up as a top 5 team next season. I'm sure they look at stuff like this as nothing more than Michigan being a sore loser.
I was going to say this as well. They don't care about a bowl or not playing in the title game. All they care about is beating Michigan. Sounds a bit crazy to me but hey that's the Buckeyes. They also probably think that their lord and savior Meyer will get them there next year anyway.
O trust me those fucks wish they could go to a bowl game and don't think for one second that they don't.
I have never seen a school celebrate the person that cost them a chance at a BCS bowl in the biggest game of their season. How the NCAA does nothing while Tressel is allowed to give the team speeches and be the center of a celebration is mind baffling.
I have found some peace in knowing that ohio fans will all have to die wondering "what if" about this season, and they have nothing to blame but their own arogance for not self-imposing a bowl ban last year.
Agreed. While I would love to be 12-0 right now, I find consolation in the asterisk that will accompany their undefeated season. Congrats on the 12-0* Ohio.
But the truth is we lost and no matter how often we remind them of this they won the game.
Shane Morris didn't lose and he's going to show up next year with something to say about the outcome for some years ahead.
It's his perogative to talk some disrespectful trash to Ohio. He'll need to back it up is all.
That made me smile thanks Shane.
This would be funny if we didnt have to play Georgia or Florida in our bowl game...After watching our "progression" over the course of the season, no one can reasonably look at either opponent and not expect us to get crushed on national TV.
The ineligibowl, from what I hear anyway.
35-23 over Penn State.
I'm pretty sure they care when the fan base takes it upon themselves to petition President Obama for a chance to go to the BCS championship..
Its so fucking funny that they are bowl ineligible because of the person that they praised and celebrated for on their last game of the season. Then after the game they go to the locker room and complain about not being able to play in a bowl. What a bunch of fucking idiots. NCAA just got punched in the face for their celebration.
Know if Conley took his visit this weekend?
Yes, he did.
It would seem that way, but apparently he hasn't talked to the coaches since the visit.
Peace dawwwgg...heard De'Quan is moving up the the recruiting rankings
I was truly hoping that thing would just go away. I know some people under the age of 12 find him hilarious but to me he's just a bad Ali-G impressionist
Like Da' ratard. See how i do that?
Ali g wannabe and ali g fell flat a lot... This guy is horrible
I love Da'Quan. Of coures he is just a doofus, but wait until you get in the "real world" for a bunch of years and everyone looks, talks, and acts the same homogenized way. He's funny because he's so ridiculous.
What's on the back of the shirt? "Thanks, Coach Tressel"?
OSU doesn't even remember the transgressions (just players selling trinkets in their delusional memory) and don't recognize the vacated games. Just win-at-all-cost.
All the more reason for us to win The Game so they can lose crooked. We need to win on the field.
Whiner sore loser shit. We lost. deal.
Yeah, he sucks so bad that he's a 5-star QB. I'll trust the professional recruiting guys over your clearly impartial observation.
The game you're probably talking about was against St. Ignatius, which was the #18 team in the country leading up to this past weekend. De La Salle, meanwhile, has very little talent overall and does not typically produce FBS players.
I would also hate it if we were 12-0 and not going to the National Championship Game, but we somehow had the audacity to allow the coach who caused that to happen not obly to be let on the filed but to be lionized at the 12th game. I am sure the 12-0 seniors will look back on this fondly and realize how important they truly were. Actually feel bad for them. Would much rather be behind a team with an 8-4 in this regard, dissapointed, but at least with honor. That made my stomach turn watching that.
Would OSU even be in the national championship anyway? They're still behind Bama and Georgia in the polls and 1 of those teams is going to pick up a ton of points for beating a top 3 team.
I'd have a hard time putting them in the NC game (and I'm a Buckeye fan). They're a good, good team (12-0 is tough to argue with), but they just don't have that top-5 "feel." That being said, I only wish we had a bowl game so we could see how we do stack up. I wouldn't want to play Bama or Orgeon though....
I don't think OSU could hang with Oregon/Stanford/Alabama... The big 10 was too weak this year and their 60th ranked stength of schedule isn't that impressive..not enough to bump them into a chance at the NC. I do think, however, they match up well against ND.
I can't figure out why they would be allowed to compete in the regular season, but not be eligible for the Championship game. I would prefer to see Nebraska play OSU with Nebraska guaranteed the Rose Bowl because OSU is ineligible for post season.
Nebraska would also benefit from playing and beating OSU, and then at least they would not have an easy road to an undefeated season and an * that will be looked at with pride by the Buckeye fans.
Nebraska already played osu...and lost badly. Ohio hung like 60 points on them.
I am just proud of the fact that as a Michigan fan I don't have to defend the credibility of my program- it isnt in question. The very fact that this conversation is happening speaks to the character of ohio's program.
I bet I know who the bum is that negged this.
The fact you people try to justify the sanctions just speaks volumes. Take it and move on like we did with the Ed Martin scandal.
You can look up who negged it.
As a Buckeye fan, this made me even smile a little. This kinda stuff is harmless and is great for THE rivalry.