....Doing anything at State against Taylor Lewan, Michael Schofield and the rest of the monster O-line class we're bringing in this year.
Se'Von Pittman to MSU
wow, this is a shocker IMO. I hope that Hoke isn't regretting backing off on him now.
Am I going to sit here & congratulate those morons from East Lansing. Hope later this fall when we play them in their own back yard we can beat the snot out of them, then they can start actiling like Vancouver Canuck fans & thrash their own.
This was bound to happen at some point. It's not like we could have gone the entire recruiting class without having any overlap with MSU commits with Michigan offers. It was nice while it lasted. We already have our talent at this position with possibly more to come, so it's not a big deal. This is by far MSU's biggest pull so far.
Originally it was TSIO taking theirs and we'd pick the leftovers. Then they imploded, and we picked up Strobel in addition to Ojemudia and Brown. The coaches slow played Pittman in the hopes of getting some other guys (Washington).
All that to say I'm not sure if we couldn't have taken all of their milkshakes this year. Sounds like we could have had this one if we'd wanted. But there are too many DEs in OH in this class, and Tresselgate means TSIO and Michigan couldn't take all of them. In a few years I think Nebraska will bump Sparty out and move in on third pickings (and steal top guys every now and then).
Wish this kid all the best
I think Nebraska could become a real competitor in Ohio. That school will always put in whatever resources it needs to to be a contender. Also, Pellini is from Youngstown and has Ohio connections.
I'm surprised B.P. is not all over his home state cleaning up on the OSU mess for Nebraska
That means Bo (NTB) must not have as strong connections to Ohio as was once thought. Even when playing in the same conference, Nebraska isn't taking advantage of the situation on the ground.
at least I hope /s
at least I hope /s
More than anything, I think it's that we're being more selective on the kids we're going after and other kids that are on the fence aren't going to wait around to commit to Michigan.
Well that's a shocker. I logged on to see if any campers committed to Hoke & Co. Lo and behold, Sparty yanks a big one out of thin air.
Good luck to him. I hope he loses every time he stares across the line of scrimmage at the Maize and Blue.
did not see that coming, good get for sparty
Better sparty than the fuckeyes. Definitely a loss we can afford given the depth we have in this class at DE.
Don't be redundant. Don't use stupid nicknames like O$U. Spell things correctly. Don't post useless replies like "I agree" and whatnot.
O$U sounds pretty accurate to me.
When we had the chance.I would of taken him instead of wormley but that's just me.Anyway good get for them.
Wish he wouldn't have chose MSU, but fuck him. He won't be getting by Diamond and Magnuson anyway. since, apparently we didnt want him, hopefully this means Washington and Stanford are coming here. AS ALWAYS GO BLUE!
A little harsh don't you think, saying "fuck him" about a kid just because he chose a school we don't like.
for the spartans. He's a great player and much like Devin Lucien last year I'm not sure why we slow played him or turned him away. I can only assume it's a grade issue or an alternative player issue (they must really, really believe they have a good chance with Washington). He really wanted to go to Michigan and nothing says I am pissed off you don't want me here quite like going to MSU. He was offered by ND and went to MSU - that says everything that needs to be said.
Having said that - that is a great get for MSU. They beat us straight up for a player and hats off to them.
And to those who are resentful - you are a Michigan Man. You're better than they are. When you aren't it reflects poorly on all of us. So please take your erroneous spellings and idiocy to another board. Give credit where it's due and be the better man. That, in my mind, defines a Michigan man.
I don't think this is much like Lucien last year.. We had a spot open for him and didn't really have any reason to say no other than our coach's opinion. In this case, we obviously don't have that many spots open (especially at DE) and there are many many many other prospects out there who might be better (Washington, Wormley)
If we land Wormley and Washington I wouldn't consider this a loss. Assuming we only had room for 2 (and we could get all) of them It seemed like the consensus was that Pittman would be the odd man out. That being said, the kids a hell of a player and I hope we don't regret cooling down on him.
,Also, Sparty is getting wood now because they think he's going to get Dunn to go there too.
What is his reletionship with Dunn? While I think Wormley is going to commit I am kind of feeling Stanford and Washington will go elsewhere.
I'm not sure what Pittman and Dunn's relationship is. I know they're friends, but that's it. As far as Stanford and Washington go, we need to get both of them to visit, because as we all know, magical things happen when we get recruits on campus.
If we are in really good position with Washington then I understand slow playing the kid. If not then I'm very very confused.
I'm surprised people are going wow nice get. We turned him down when he tried to commit to us. This is like the old days when MSU gets the leftovers of what we didn't want and then hovers around mediocrity and sometimes beats us.
I'm not saying Pittman is a bad player he actually from film seems good but this isn't sparty turning the tide on recruiting or anything.
The kid is rated the 61st best player in the country on rivals. He is a consensus 4 star talent. I may not like where he went, but by anyone's definition the kid is a good get....
Did we turn back his commitment? I make no judgment here but his offer sheet (Bama, Auburn, Florida, OSU, Tennessee, ND) makes him seem like a pretty high prospect. From my understanding he was 3rd in the ridiculous Ohio defensive end corps, behind Odenigbo and McMullen. That puts him about 10 places higher in the positional rankings than M's two current recruits from the state (Strobel is 18th, Brown is 20th), and likeliest prospect Wormley (22nd), and about equal with Adolphus Washington.
I can fully believe the coaches have seen something that we're not privy to, if they've got Pittman behind all of those guys. I just wonder what it was.
All things considered, it's still a big pickup for Michigan State. Their class has been the most affected by Hoke's regional mop-up, and since Dantonio's program is the closest thing to being an OSU Lite* that's out there in the region, I guess it kind of figures East Lansing would be a strong "other" choice for a top-notch player in Michigan or Ohio who's worried about the pending tatgate fallout, and doesn't want to fight 4-5 other guys in his class for playing time.
* Spoken with all due contempt.
to remember these kids still have a whole year of football to play. So those rankings can change drastically. I personally think Washington is the Best of them all in Ohio. And I think Strobel is a great compliment to a Washington or Wormley. One thing this coaching staff is doing is getting pieces that fit the puzzle. They have guys who can play multiple positions and we know Mattison likes to move guys around. If they did in fact back off of Pittman, I believe it was for a good reason. And there is no reason we should get mad with all the success we are having on the recruiting front. Also some have said that Pittman is more suited for OLB than DE. WHere as Wormley or Washington are big DE's who could also play DT!
I can't be mad at this at all. We can't get every DE in the midwest, there just isn't enough room. Sparty was bound to reap a couple benifits from the OSU mess and Michigan only being able to take some many guys. And Sparty's really can't say much to us because the coaches slowed things down with Pittman over the last couple of weeks and that probably played the biggest role in him committing to MSU. I'll take Wormley and Washington and won't lose sleep over him going to MSU!
He wouldn't be the first to end up at MSU as a safety school after his top choice in Ann Arbor turned him away. Best of luck to the kid except on Saturdays.
I think the only reason we did not get him was the staff would rather have Wormley and thats 100% in the bank!
You can't look down on somebody without taking the high road. Maybe they're saying it in a "wow, nice get, sport" sorta way before an annoying big brother hair rub.
Thanks, but I'm fine not taking this as seriously as you do.
I have an OSU friend who follows recruiting religiously who thought that Pittman was an OSU lock not too long ago (this was before the Michigan attempted-commit report)...The fact that Strobel, Jacquay Williams, and Pittman have all not chosen OSU is a big blow to them. Add in the fact that Wormely looks to go to blue soon and that Greg McMullen could well go to Nebraska and you've got a real recruiting let-down for OSU...As for the effect of this on Michigan, MSU has been to the Capital One Bowl twice in the last three years and has done well with player development. They're bound to pull in some good recruits from time to time. Hoke will still return Michigan to its place of dominance over MSU in the long run, IMO.
I read somewhere that he is a defensive end/rushing linebacker. Kinda like the guy from Centerville who is also very good and was interested in us. Both do not look like they have the frame to put on a ton of weight and might be better suited as linebackers. Could the reason we are slow playing them be because there are chances they will both turn into linebackers and we are looking at bigger linemen for the remaining spots??
Not sure where the 8-0 figure is coming from? It was 12-0 Hoke, head to head against Dantonio since Hoke was hired coming into today. Pittman would make it 12-1 Hoke.
Poole, Clark, Ross, Jenkins-Stone, Ojemudia, Godin, Funchess, Brown, Stroebel, Braden, Richardson and Williams. Thats 12 verbals with both MSU and UM offers, 2 from last years class and 10 from the current year.
we can feel confident that our defensive recruiting is in the best imaginable hands. Mattison probably isn't trying to get guys who are going to be the best of their respective classes for next year. He's going after the kids who he feels are the most likely to make the biggest impact over 3-4 years. Pittman is a great player, and a big get for MSU. But it doesn't bother me one bit that he's rated higher than our current DEs by Scout.
I really don't think we have ever had more justification to believe in our recruiting philosophy on one side of the ball than now. No reason to feel like this one "got away."
Really unnecessary, for all we know he could be a saint. No need to judge him like that just because he chose MSU.
That's a little harsh man. I wouldn't go casting individual judgments like that so soon. Yes, we strongly dislike little brother, but the kid is still in high school and you don't know a thing about him, other than he verbaled to state. Take it easy with that stuff.
It was rumored to be grades/test scores that made Michigan back off of Pittman, although I can't vouch for knowing what his grades are. That's just the rumor.
Regardless, there's lots of defensive end talent in Ohio, and we were never going to get all of them. There's no way in Hell that we could fit Washington, Pittman, Brown, Strobel, Wormley, Odenigbo, and McMullen all into one class.
I'll still chalk it up as a loss to MSU, but it comes with a qualification. Oh well.
You are right in that there was no way Michigan could have fit all of those guys on their commitment list, so how come some people are saying that all of those guys (except Wormley) would have chosed OSU if they were not having the problems they currently have? That is why I do not believe Michigan would have lost on a lot of these guys you just mentioned. I believe that Strobel, Odenigbo and McMullen (possibly) would have commited to OSU, but Wormley, Washington and Pittman (mostly Wormley) would have ended up at Michigan, although I am beginning to believe Washington is losing interest in Michigan.
Well, I said this several months ago:
Ohio State will get their pick of the litter. Michigan will get their pick of whoever's left.
Now all this Ohio State nonsense has thrown a wrench into those plans, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for Michigan. Even the combination of OSU and Michigan probably couldn't have taken every single one of those DE's, so guys like Pittman and McMullen are starting to break away even further from that plan.
Do you think he was involved with some OSU money? Do you think Michigan would turn him away if he was in any way tied to the current scandal?
I'm not going to speculate on that.