Per Bill Greene's twitter. Huge get for MSU out of nowhere.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Per Bill Greene's twitter. Huge get for MSU out of nowhere.
Wow. Great get for them.
Well damn. This is the first recruit committed for them that I wish we got. Great pick up for them.
If this staff truly wanted Pittman, he would already be a part of this class. Wormley appears to be all blue, and the only other DE options the staff would go over their expected numbers for are Spence and Washington.
There are too many great DEs in Ohio this year for us to take them all. He was nothing more than an insurance policy for us at this point, in the event that we miss on the guys that we have ahead of him on the wish list. I think we have all seen what can happen when you go chasing, and take a guy that doesn't have his act together.
Best of luck to him getting his academics together so that he can play at MSU, and not be one of those sad footnotes. As for us, it would seem clear that we are looking to Wormley and Washington, which would make sense, given that it is SDEs that we could use, and WDEs that we have already gotten plenty of. I can't say I feel too bad for us at this point.
I think there are some posters here that are seeing this as some kind of contest between us and MSU, and are really upset, some of them communicating this in childish ways. We don't win by taking players that we don't need, just because that feels more like a head to head win. We win by taking players that fit our needs, and I am not sure that Pittman was one of those, given the realities of signing limits. He wasn't at a position of dire need (based on our other signings), and he comes with too many question marks. We will sign the SDEs we like and go our merry way.
Why are people congratulating state? fuck them (meaning state)...it sucks that he went there
and there's no reason to be pissy about it?
I think there's a nice middle ground between congratulating and ranting here (you won't catch me doing either).
lol im not "pissy" about it but ive just been all over message boards and michigan fans are just praising state like there's no tomorrow
and there is nothing wrong with having some for your competition.
Fox, if you want to garner any kind of respect here on Mgoblog, keep the homeristic comments on MLive and show some class. If we could neg you, you would be experiencing Bolivia firsthand right now.
Hypothetically, maturity will reach you at some point....
I wish we had offered and taken McGowan...he's as good...and IMO better than any other OG in our region (except Dodson).
I'm surprised given his offer list. Maybe he wanted to stay close to home and didn't like that we were slow-playing him. Would've loved to have him in the class.
We give him the cold shoulder (sort of) and he bolts for MSU. That is some jilted ex-lover stuff right there. Big get for them.
I hate giving MSU anything but I wonder if our 12' class depth steered him away.
including Tom, was that Michigan started slowing things down with Pittman in the last few weeks. No way of knowing whether he would have ended up here absent that, but this is a great pickup for MSU. Hats off to Dantonio on this one.
This is also further evidence that OSU is in serious trouble here. Strobel, Dodson, now Pittman. It's not just that top in-state kids are going elsewhere. It's that they're not even waiting to see what happens with OSU first.
that's a good get for them. Even though we slowed down on him, it still stings a bit. But then again we do have four solid de commitments (although my gut tells me Godin will play DT).
Adds some credance to the rumor of him trying to commit. Better there than OSU though!
Wish he would have gone to the SEC instead.
Also first win for Dantonio over Hoke, whether we denied his commitment or not. Would have loved to have him in this class.
more like Wormley over Pttman. Hoke likely wanted to be sure he'd qualify academically and would prefer Washington or a few of the other DEs when Se'Von was looking all commit-y recently. I think Hoke wanted to just "stay friends" here.
There was talk that Washington and Pittman absolutely don't want to play together, also. That could be a large part of why Michigan didn't want to accept his commitment, because they want (or think they have) a good chance to get Washington.
how they can only get commits from us after they wanted to commit to us but were told there was no spot for them. Which technically isn't getting him from us.
Wow, big pick up. Kind of surprising.
Still not recruiting nationally...
Canton is in eastern Ohio, a several hour drive from East Lansing. This is their most national recruit yet. Sparty dominates the national recruiting scene yet again! An unstoppable juggernaut, I tells ya . . .
I can totally picture dantonio playing off the angle of us slow-playing him. I wish pittman the best but it never quite sits right with me to see one of our offerees sign up to play for the grinch.
This is kind of disappointing, I wish we got him, or he went to the SEC. Now State fans will brag because he had a Michigan offer.
They appear to be in really good shape for Jaleel Johnson, and they might have a better shot at Danny O'Brien than Michigan does.
Thompson would be their best in-state shots. No surprise with Pittman. When coaches slow play someone they're better off somewhere else IMO.
and we get neither, then I'll be upset since that's our biggest point of need.
for this class, though 2013 we'll load those positions. We already have 2 TEs this year and will only take 1 WR (or maybe a 3rd TE instead.) Oline is our remaining biggest need. Even if Hoke takes 6 OTs in 2012 by 2013 we'll only have 13 on scholarship, and many of this years OTs will redshirt so 2011-2012 depth could get sketchy if there are injuries. Right now we've got 8 receivers, 5 TEs, and 8 RBs who'd love to catch a ball for a little playing time. People are expecting us to lose some of those guys because now we have too many.
in regards to the DTs not you and the WRs. Agree OL is a point of need but we are off to a good start and seem like we have a good chance with others (Diamond, Olson, etc.).
Hoke's offered nearly 175 kids now. If we get all the recruits we want and our class fills up and then sparty gets a few of the 150 or so remaining who we had previously offered we wouldn't lose them to sparty, they just picked up the kids Hoke passed on. If we backed off of Pittman and then he went somewhere else I wouldn't say he was stolen away. You can still say 8-0. Now if Diamond or Pipkins or Wilson or Wormley went all sparty on us that would be a loss.
I don't think you can say 8-0. That just wouldn't be true. It's not something we should really sweat since we already have our commits and we have a couple good propsects looking at us as well.
You cannot call it a "recruiting loss" when a guy tries to commit to your school, you back off, then he commits somewhere else. That's not a battle. Michigan State got the commit of a guy Michigan didn't want.
Well if you offer a guy and he goes somewhere else, what do you call it?
The 8-0 was guys we both had offered and we had gotten. Now we're changing the qualifications to stay undefeated? Seems a little childish to me.
Childish = keeping score of recruiting "victories." Good Lord.
If a potential recruit tries to commit sand the staff says 'NSF,MF', yes, you can say it is not a recruiting loss. Slow playing a recruit ranked as highly has a very obvious consequence of losing that recruit completely.
What??? It's not a strategic error if the coaches wanted Ojemudia and Brown. At most it probably means the coaches considered them roughly equivalent prospects. Maybe the services have Pittman rated higher but I doubt that makes the coaches think they made some type of mistake.
No one gets more out of a victory than MSU
I'd much rather slow play and lose a recruit than sign him and not have a spot for him when he gets on campus. I hope this doesn't come back to bite us, but I can't blame a kid for having his own best interest in mind.
I did not see this as a big shocker. His final schools were Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Notre Dame. He did not want to go far, so the two schools from Alabama were out. The problems occuring at OSU altered his interest in them, and he mentioned that in saying he was to mature to have interest in OSU. The talent level ND picked up last year at the DE position probably did not help them out much for Pittman. So, that left U-M and MSU. With the latest rumors that Michigan may have pushed him away for the time being, the only school left in his interest was MSU. I would like to see U-M, OSU, ND and MSU up there in grabbing talents. That would make U-M's wins against these teams more exciting knowing they beat the best that their rivals have to throw at them.
Everyone thought it was a UofM-OSU battle, with OSU pulling back in front after he went to their camp last week. No one was mentioning MSU at all.
MSU was mentioned but not in a prominent role. I wonder if we stay in contact with him if Washington goes somewhere else.
Pittman, then we have to trust them and accept that he has found and chosen another team, even if it is MSU.
Do we know why we slowed things down with him? Was it because we already had two commits for that position, or some other reason? It sucks to see him go to a rival. I hope the coaches end up right on this one.
but who knows. He's planning on being an early enrollee so not sure how much sense that makes.
I agree with the first part of your post. There is nothing wrong with questioning and analyzing a coaches moves. This was something going on during the RR era where he would do something and 90 posters would say "don't worry, he knows more than us". Look how that turned out. We can have faith in their decisions, but there is nothing wrong with asking questions.
you should consider posting over at the Michigan Scout site (or MLive) rather than here. You might like it better.
Well, Hoke must have a little hope in Washngton and/or Wormly.
....Doing anything at State against Taylor Lewan, Michael Schofield and the rest of the monster O-line class we're bringing in this year.
wow, this is a shocker IMO. I hope that Hoke isn't regretting backing off on him now.
Am I going to sit here & congratulate those morons from East Lansing. Hope later this fall when we play them in their own back yard we can beat the snot out of them, then they can start actiling like Vancouver Canuck fans & thrash their own.
This was bound to happen at some point. It's not like we could have gone the entire recruiting class without having any overlap with MSU commits with Michigan offers. It was nice while it lasted. We already have our talent at this position with possibly more to come, so it's not a big deal. This is by far MSU's biggest pull so far.
Originally it was TSIO taking theirs and we'd pick the leftovers. Then they imploded, and we picked up Strobel in addition to Ojemudia and Brown. The coaches slow played Pittman in the hopes of getting some other guys (Washington).
All that to say I'm not sure if we couldn't have taken all of their milkshakes this year. Sounds like we could have had this one if we'd wanted. But there are too many DEs in OH in this class, and Tresselgate means TSIO and Michigan couldn't take all of them. In a few years I think Nebraska will bump Sparty out and move in on third pickings (and steal top guys every now and then).
Wish this kid all the best
I think Nebraska could become a real competitor in Ohio. That school will always put in whatever resources it needs to to be a contender. Also, Pellini is from Youngstown and has Ohio connections.
I'm surprised B.P. is not all over his home state cleaning up on the OSU mess for Nebraska
That means Bo (NTB) must not have as strong connections to Ohio as was once thought. Even when playing in the same conference, Nebraska isn't taking advantage of the situation on the ground.
at least I hope /s
at least I hope /s
More than anything, I think it's that we're being more selective on the kids we're going after and other kids that are on the fence aren't going to wait around to commit to Michigan.
Well that's a shocker. I logged on to see if any campers committed to Hoke & Co. Lo and behold, Sparty yanks a big one out of thin air.
Good luck to him. I hope he loses every time he stares across the line of scrimmage at the Maize and Blue.
did not see that coming, good get for sparty
Better sparty than the fuckeyes. Definitely a loss we can afford given the depth we have in this class at DE.
Don't be redundant. Don't use stupid nicknames like O$U. Spell things correctly. Don't post useless replies like "I agree" and whatnot.
O$U sounds pretty accurate to me.
When we had the chance.I would of taken him instead of wormley but that's just me.Anyway good get for them.
Wish he wouldn't have chose MSU, but fuck him. He won't be getting by Diamond and Magnuson anyway. since, apparently we didnt want him, hopefully this means Washington and Stanford are coming here. AS ALWAYS GO BLUE!
A little harsh don't you think, saying "fuck him" about a kid just because he chose a school we don't like.
for the spartans. He's a great player and much like Devin Lucien last year I'm not sure why we slow played him or turned him away. I can only assume it's a grade issue or an alternative player issue (they must really, really believe they have a good chance with Washington). He really wanted to go to Michigan and nothing says I am pissed off you don't want me here quite like going to MSU. He was offered by ND and went to MSU - that says everything that needs to be said.
Having said that - that is a great get for MSU. They beat us straight up for a player and hats off to them.
And to those who are resentful - you are a Michigan Man. You're better than they are. When you aren't it reflects poorly on all of us. So please take your erroneous spellings and idiocy to another board. Give credit where it's due and be the better man. That, in my mind, defines a Michigan man.
I don't think this is much like Lucien last year.. We had a spot open for him and didn't really have any reason to say no other than our coach's opinion. In this case, we obviously don't have that many spots open (especially at DE) and there are many many many other prospects out there who might be better (Washington, Wormley)
If we land Wormley and Washington I wouldn't consider this a loss. Assuming we only had room for 2 (and we could get all) of them It seemed like the consensus was that Pittman would be the odd man out. That being said, the kids a hell of a player and I hope we don't regret cooling down on him.
,Also, Sparty is getting wood now because they think he's going to get Dunn to go there too.
What is his reletionship with Dunn? While I think Wormley is going to commit I am kind of feeling Stanford and Washington will go elsewhere.
I'm not sure what Pittman and Dunn's relationship is. I know they're friends, but that's it. As far as Stanford and Washington go, we need to get both of them to visit, because as we all know, magical things happen when we get recruits on campus.
If we are in really good position with Washington then I understand slow playing the kid. If not then I'm very very confused.
I'm surprised people are going wow nice get. We turned him down when he tried to commit to us. This is like the old days when MSU gets the leftovers of what we didn't want and then hovers around mediocrity and sometimes beats us.
I'm not saying Pittman is a bad player he actually from film seems good but this isn't sparty turning the tide on recruiting or anything.
The kid is rated the 61st best player in the country on rivals. He is a consensus 4 star talent. I may not like where he went, but by anyone's definition the kid is a good get....
Did we turn back his commitment? I make no judgment here but his offer sheet (Bama, Auburn, Florida, OSU, Tennessee, ND) makes him seem like a pretty high prospect. From my understanding he was 3rd in the ridiculous Ohio defensive end corps, behind Odenigbo and McMullen. That puts him about 10 places higher in the positional rankings than M's two current recruits from the state (Strobel is 18th, Brown is 20th), and likeliest prospect Wormley (22nd), and about equal with Adolphus Washington.
I can fully believe the coaches have seen something that we're not privy to, if they've got Pittman behind all of those guys. I just wonder what it was.
All things considered, it's still a big pickup for Michigan State. Their class has been the most affected by Hoke's regional mop-up, and since Dantonio's program is the closest thing to being an OSU Lite* that's out there in the region, I guess it kind of figures East Lansing would be a strong "other" choice for a top-notch player in Michigan or Ohio who's worried about the pending tatgate fallout, and doesn't want to fight 4-5 other guys in his class for playing time.
* Spoken with all due contempt.
to remember these kids still have a whole year of football to play. So those rankings can change drastically. I personally think Washington is the Best of them all in Ohio. And I think Strobel is a great compliment to a Washington or Wormley. One thing this coaching staff is doing is getting pieces that fit the puzzle. They have guys who can play multiple positions and we know Mattison likes to move guys around. If they did in fact back off of Pittman, I believe it was for a good reason. And there is no reason we should get mad with all the success we are having on the recruiting front. Also some have said that Pittman is more suited for OLB than DE. WHere as Wormley or Washington are big DE's who could also play DT!
I can't be mad at this at all. We can't get every DE in the midwest, there just isn't enough room. Sparty was bound to reap a couple benifits from the OSU mess and Michigan only being able to take some many guys. And Sparty's really can't say much to us because the coaches slowed things down with Pittman over the last couple of weeks and that probably played the biggest role in him committing to MSU. I'll take Wormley and Washington and won't lose sleep over him going to MSU!
He wouldn't be the first to end up at MSU as a safety school after his top choice in Ann Arbor turned him away. Best of luck to the kid except on Saturdays.
I think the only reason we did not get him was the staff would rather have Wormley and thats 100% in the bank!
You can't look down on somebody without taking the high road. Maybe they're saying it in a "wow, nice get, sport" sorta way before an annoying big brother hair rub.
Thanks, but I'm fine not taking this as seriously as you do.
I have an OSU friend who follows recruiting religiously who thought that Pittman was an OSU lock not too long ago (this was before the Michigan attempted-commit report)...The fact that Strobel, Jacquay Williams, and Pittman have all not chosen OSU is a big blow to them. Add in the fact that Wormely looks to go to blue soon and that Greg McMullen could well go to Nebraska and you've got a real recruiting let-down for OSU...As for the effect of this on Michigan, MSU has been to the Capital One Bowl twice in the last three years and has done well with player development. They're bound to pull in some good recruits from time to time. Hoke will still return Michigan to its place of dominance over MSU in the long run, IMO.
I read somewhere that he is a defensive end/rushing linebacker. Kinda like the guy from Centerville who is also very good and was interested in us. Both do not look like they have the frame to put on a ton of weight and might be better suited as linebackers. Could the reason we are slow playing them be because there are chances they will both turn into linebackers and we are looking at bigger linemen for the remaining spots??
Not sure where the 8-0 figure is coming from? It was 12-0 Hoke, head to head against Dantonio since Hoke was hired coming into today. Pittman would make it 12-1 Hoke.
Poole, Clark, Ross, Jenkins-Stone, Ojemudia, Godin, Funchess, Brown, Stroebel, Braden, Richardson and Williams. Thats 12 verbals with both MSU and UM offers, 2 from last years class and 10 from the current year.
we can feel confident that our defensive recruiting is in the best imaginable hands. Mattison probably isn't trying to get guys who are going to be the best of their respective classes for next year. He's going after the kids who he feels are the most likely to make the biggest impact over 3-4 years. Pittman is a great player, and a big get for MSU. But it doesn't bother me one bit that he's rated higher than our current DEs by Scout.
I really don't think we have ever had more justification to believe in our recruiting philosophy on one side of the ball than now. No reason to feel like this one "got away."
Really unnecessary, for all we know he could be a saint. No need to judge him like that just because he chose MSU.
That's a little harsh man. I wouldn't go casting individual judgments like that so soon. Yes, we strongly dislike little brother, but the kid is still in high school and you don't know a thing about him, other than he verbaled to state. Take it easy with that stuff.
It was rumored to be grades/test scores that made Michigan back off of Pittman, although I can't vouch for knowing what his grades are. That's just the rumor.
Regardless, there's lots of defensive end talent in Ohio, and we were never going to get all of them. There's no way in Hell that we could fit Washington, Pittman, Brown, Strobel, Wormley, Odenigbo, and McMullen all into one class.
I'll still chalk it up as a loss to MSU, but it comes with a qualification. Oh well.
You are right in that there was no way Michigan could have fit all of those guys on their commitment list, so how come some people are saying that all of those guys (except Wormley) would have chosed OSU if they were not having the problems they currently have? That is why I do not believe Michigan would have lost on a lot of these guys you just mentioned. I believe that Strobel, Odenigbo and McMullen (possibly) would have commited to OSU, but Wormley, Washington and Pittman (mostly Wormley) would have ended up at Michigan, although I am beginning to believe Washington is losing interest in Michigan.
Well, I said this several months ago:
Ohio State will get their pick of the litter. Michigan will get their pick of whoever's left.
Now all this Ohio State nonsense has thrown a wrench into those plans, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for Michigan. Even the combination of OSU and Michigan probably couldn't have taken every single one of those DE's, so guys like Pittman and McMullen are starting to break away even further from that plan.
Do you think he was involved with some OSU money? Do you think Michigan would turn him away if he was in any way tied to the current scandal?
I'm not going to speculate on that.
Good for MSU. I know he had some grade issues, but hopefully it all works out. MSU does have some nice D-line recruits, though I still like everyone in this class and the past couple of years. And for all the people freaking out about it, let it go. MSU is going to get some decent kids - they always do. But right now, I like how this class is working out and think that the future is bright for Hoke.
Anyone else think it's sad that this has more comments than any of our commits threads got?
No not really because our commitment threads get locked after Tims "Hello" post. Plus this was a surprising commitment followed with a lot of speculation over whether he tried to commit to us last week, why we slowed on him being available spots or grades, and he is a good player.
I will throw out there that my friend from PA who works for a recruiting site has told me that we may be underestimating our chances with Noah Spence. I just think its interesting that everyone here is assuming it is Wormley and Washington. Personally I believe we are in great position for Wormley and are still going to keep recruiting Washington, Spence and even Odenigbo hard.
I would love to get some more info on Mr Spence's recruiting if Michigan is a real player for his services.
he's a great talent worthy of a very long thread.
There must be something more aspparent to the coaches about Pittman that as to date is not public info. It could be about grades but my hope is that this means more about our chances with Wormley and Washington. The coaches have worked some wonders so far so the benefit of the doubt should for sure be given them.
Magnus is on the right track. The rumor is that Hoke wouldn't (or couldn't?) accept Pittman's verbal because the young man has not yet passed the state of Ohio graduation exam. Justin Turner was in a similar type situation and it took forever to get resolved. It just doesn't make sense right now for our coaches to save a spot for a kid who may very well not qualify when we're still in on some very good defensive linemen.
stated that he'll enroll early so we'll see if he is able to do it. Maybe it's the grade, maybe it's he's lower in the pecking order on DE that they didnt' want to tell him that in person. We'll see.
Pittman can't graduate until he passes all parts of the exam. So far, he has not done that (rumor, of course). He has plenty of time to do so. Had he waited until later on in the year to make a decision (and had passed all parts of the exam), then Hoke likely would've accepted his commitment. Pittman liked MSU enough that he chose to commit rather than wait it out with UM. No biggie. I wish him all the best.
I'm not from Ohio and not familiar with the OGT, so here it is for others who are interested. There is also an alternative pathway:
Those "alternative pathways" may not be acceptable to the Clearinghouse or our admissions office.
It would make a lot of sense if it would be acceptable to the clearing house, but not to the admissions office, hence creating a potential reason for why we may have cooled on him. If you can't get into the school, we can't accept your commitment.
If Hoke didn't take him because he had doubts as to whether he would pass it...that's saying something different.
He was good enough for MSU - that makes him technically good enough for us academically as we both have the same minimum standard. Though we hold to a higher average standard we all limbo for talent as good as the 61st best player in the nation.
If he enrolls early, as he says he would like to do that will put an end to this talk. The staff didn't do an in home with him. They've looked at his grades and path to graduation but as has been said - if both parties wanted Se'Von to be Blue - he'd be Blue.
Over on the RCMB they are talking about how Pittman's comittment is going to open the floodgates to more big-name recruits. I like their enthusiasm but I just don't see it.
They are also laughing it up at the number of stupid posts in this thread claiming Michigan didn't want him. Several people on this board are giving the majority of us a bad name. Is it not possible that Pittman just flat out chose MSU? Last I checked then had a pretty good season last year. Congradulate the kid on the opportunity to get a free education via sports, don't chastise him on the school he selected. I never heard him bad mouthing UofM.
That cold be true. According to MSU's scout page a pretty good LB from Illinois (Morrison) was offered a scholarship from MSU today and he immediately put them as his front runner. He recieved scholarship offers from big programs, such as Alabama, Florida, Miami-FL, Tennessee and Oregon, along with second level Div I programs, like Minnesota, Illinois and Iowa.
Morrison looks to be a fine looking prospect, but have to wonder why none of the big name Big10 schools have offered this Midwest kid? Usually if the kid is a good one and in the Midwest... PSU, Iowa, Wiscy, Michigan, OSU all/some would have offered. Not trying to knock the kid, just interesting...
Wow. Great pick up for them, I still would rather have Noah Spence and Washington. We could really use Jordan Diamond, Yuri Wright, and Zach Banner.
We must have a good shot at Wormley and Washington don't you think? That and the rumor that Pittman and Washington didn't want to play together seems to make sense with the whole slow-play vibe we've been hearing. As long as we get Wormley, and hopefully Washington, this won't hurt too bad. We can't take every good recruit.
Great grab for MSU, but we may never know if he committed to Michigan, and Michigan told him to hold off. That was the rumor, and it could possibly be true. I guess this would be a great way to get back at a school that turned you away after they offered. Head to their in-state rival. We don't know the true story though.
The fact is that a top DE will be going to one of our biggest rivals. Just hope he doesn't turn into a monster that we'll have to worry about every year, the kid has that kind of potential. Washington becomes an even bigger target now, need to lock that kid up.
We get ours. But recruiting is off the field, although obviously important.
We'll see who wins this year and every year ON the field.
It is very irritating that State has a winning streak against Michigan and let's hope it ends THIS year.
I feel sorry for him when he thinks of what couldve been after he grauates 0-4 against the WOLVERINES!!!
Let's MOVE ON!!
I mean how many " we didn't want him anyhow" posts can be posted before enough is enough?
Making up stories like his grades were an issue with nothing to back it up?
Making up stories that he tried to commit and was refused?
Pretending like Hoke was slow playing him for what ever reason you want? Isn't it far more likely Hoke realized the kid wasn't recipricating interest and spent his time, wisely, on other recruits?
Calm down, Hoke has a fine class brewing. No reason to make up rumors and outright lies to makeyourself feel better.
The rumor he tried to commit was widely sourced a few weeks before this happened.