Per Bill Greene's twitter. Huge get for MSU out of nowhere.
Se'Von Pittman to MSU
Wow. Great get for them.
Well damn. This is the first recruit committed for them that I wish we got. Great pick up for them.
If this staff truly wanted Pittman, he would already be a part of this class. Wormley appears to be all blue, and the only other DE options the staff would go over their expected numbers for are Spence and Washington.
There are too many great DEs in Ohio this year for us to take them all. He was nothing more than an insurance policy for us at this point, in the event that we miss on the guys that we have ahead of him on the wish list. I think we have all seen what can happen when you go chasing, and take a guy that doesn't have his act together.
Best of luck to him getting his academics together so that he can play at MSU, and not be one of those sad footnotes. As for us, it would seem clear that we are looking to Wormley and Washington, which would make sense, given that it is SDEs that we could use, and WDEs that we have already gotten plenty of. I can't say I feel too bad for us at this point.
I think there are some posters here that are seeing this as some kind of contest between us and MSU, and are really upset, some of them communicating this in childish ways. We don't win by taking players that we don't need, just because that feels more like a head to head win. We win by taking players that fit our needs, and I am not sure that Pittman was one of those, given the realities of signing limits. He wasn't at a position of dire need (based on our other signings), and he comes with too many question marks. We will sign the SDEs we like and go our merry way.
Why are people congratulating state? fuck them (meaning state)...it sucks that he went there
and there's no reason to be pissy about it?
I think there's a nice middle ground between congratulating and ranting here (you won't catch me doing either).
lol im not "pissy" about it but ive just been all over message boards and michigan fans are just praising state like there's no tomorrow
and there is nothing wrong with having some for your competition.
Fox, if you want to garner any kind of respect here on Mgoblog, keep the homeristic comments on MLive and show some class. If we could neg you, you would be experiencing Bolivia firsthand right now.
Hypothetically, maturity will reach you at some point....
I wish we had offered and taken McGowan...he's as good...and IMO better than any other OG in our region (except Dodson).
I'm surprised given his offer list. Maybe he wanted to stay close to home and didn't like that we were slow-playing him. Would've loved to have him in the class.
We give him the cold shoulder (sort of) and he bolts for MSU. That is some jilted ex-lover stuff right there. Big get for them.
I hate giving MSU anything but I wonder if our 12' class depth steered him away.
including Tom, was that Michigan started slowing things down with Pittman in the last few weeks. No way of knowing whether he would have ended up here absent that, but this is a great pickup for MSU. Hats off to Dantonio on this one.
This is also further evidence that OSU is in serious trouble here. Strobel, Dodson, now Pittman. It's not just that top in-state kids are going elsewhere. It's that they're not even waiting to see what happens with OSU first.
that's a good get for them. Even though we slowed down on him, it still stings a bit. But then again we do have four solid de commitments (although my gut tells me Godin will play DT).
Adds some credance to the rumor of him trying to commit. Better there than OSU though!
Wish he would have gone to the SEC instead.
Also first win for Dantonio over Hoke, whether we denied his commitment or not. Would have loved to have him in this class.
more like Wormley over Pttman. Hoke likely wanted to be sure he'd qualify academically and would prefer Washington or a few of the other DEs when Se'Von was looking all commit-y recently. I think Hoke wanted to just "stay friends" here.
There was talk that Washington and Pittman absolutely don't want to play together, also. That could be a large part of why Michigan didn't want to accept his commitment, because they want (or think they have) a good chance to get Washington.
how they can only get commits from us after they wanted to commit to us but were told there was no spot for them. Which technically isn't getting him from us.
Wow, big pick up. Kind of surprising.
Still not recruiting nationally...
Canton is in eastern Ohio, a several hour drive from East Lansing. This is their most national recruit yet. Sparty dominates the national recruiting scene yet again! An unstoppable juggernaut, I tells ya . . .
I can totally picture dantonio playing off the angle of us slow-playing him. I wish pittman the best but it never quite sits right with me to see one of our offerees sign up to play for the grinch.
This is kind of disappointing, I wish we got him, or he went to the SEC. Now State fans will brag because he had a Michigan offer.
They appear to be in really good shape for Jaleel Johnson, and they might have a better shot at Danny O'Brien than Michigan does.
Thompson would be their best in-state shots. No surprise with Pittman. When coaches slow play someone they're better off somewhere else IMO.
and we get neither, then I'll be upset since that's our biggest point of need.
for this class, though 2013 we'll load those positions. We already have 2 TEs this year and will only take 1 WR (or maybe a 3rd TE instead.) Oline is our remaining biggest need. Even if Hoke takes 6 OTs in 2012 by 2013 we'll only have 13 on scholarship, and many of this years OTs will redshirt so 2011-2012 depth could get sketchy if there are injuries. Right now we've got 8 receivers, 5 TEs, and 8 RBs who'd love to catch a ball for a little playing time. People are expecting us to lose some of those guys because now we have too many.
in regards to the DTs not you and the WRs. Agree OL is a point of need but we are off to a good start and seem like we have a good chance with others (Diamond, Olson, etc.).
Hoke's offered nearly 175 kids now. If we get all the recruits we want and our class fills up and then sparty gets a few of the 150 or so remaining who we had previously offered we wouldn't lose them to sparty, they just picked up the kids Hoke passed on. If we backed off of Pittman and then he went somewhere else I wouldn't say he was stolen away. You can still say 8-0. Now if Diamond or Pipkins or Wilson or Wormley went all sparty on us that would be a loss.
I don't think you can say 8-0. That just wouldn't be true. It's not something we should really sweat since we already have our commits and we have a couple good propsects looking at us as well.
You cannot call it a "recruiting loss" when a guy tries to commit to your school, you back off, then he commits somewhere else. That's not a battle. Michigan State got the commit of a guy Michigan didn't want.
Well if you offer a guy and he goes somewhere else, what do you call it?
The 8-0 was guys we both had offered and we had gotten. Now we're changing the qualifications to stay undefeated? Seems a little childish to me.
Childish = keeping score of recruiting "victories." Good Lord.
If a potential recruit tries to commit sand the staff says 'NSF,MF', yes, you can say it is not a recruiting loss. Slow playing a recruit ranked as highly has a very obvious consequence of losing that recruit completely.
What??? It's not a strategic error if the coaches wanted Ojemudia and Brown. At most it probably means the coaches considered them roughly equivalent prospects. Maybe the services have Pittman rated higher but I doubt that makes the coaches think they made some type of mistake.
No one gets more out of a victory than MSU
I'd much rather slow play and lose a recruit than sign him and not have a spot for him when he gets on campus. I hope this doesn't come back to bite us, but I can't blame a kid for having his own best interest in mind.
I did not see this as a big shocker. His final schools were Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Notre Dame. He did not want to go far, so the two schools from Alabama were out. The problems occuring at OSU altered his interest in them, and he mentioned that in saying he was to mature to have interest in OSU. The talent level ND picked up last year at the DE position probably did not help them out much for Pittman. So, that left U-M and MSU. With the latest rumors that Michigan may have pushed him away for the time being, the only school left in his interest was MSU. I would like to see U-M, OSU, ND and MSU up there in grabbing talents. That would make U-M's wins against these teams more exciting knowing they beat the best that their rivals have to throw at them.
Everyone thought it was a UofM-OSU battle, with OSU pulling back in front after he went to their camp last week. No one was mentioning MSU at all.
MSU was mentioned but not in a prominent role. I wonder if we stay in contact with him if Washington goes somewhere else.
Pittman, then we have to trust them and accept that he has found and chosen another team, even if it is MSU.
Do we know why we slowed things down with him? Was it because we already had two commits for that position, or some other reason? It sucks to see him go to a rival. I hope the coaches end up right on this one.
but who knows. He's planning on being an early enrollee so not sure how much sense that makes.
I agree with the first part of your post. There is nothing wrong with questioning and analyzing a coaches moves. This was something going on during the RR era where he would do something and 90 posters would say "don't worry, he knows more than us". Look how that turned out. We can have faith in their decisions, but there is nothing wrong with asking questions.
you should consider posting over at the Michigan Scout site (or MLive) rather than here. You might like it better.
Well, Hoke must have a little hope in Washngton and/or Wormly.