good luck with that
Serious idea: Hire Mike Tice to Consult.
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I agree with you, but that's the first step in a eventual replacement of Funk. Hoke wouldn't undermine someone on his staff like that. Too loyal.
EDIT: Would the hiring of Tice include a Sex Boat Stripper party? LOL That might help this team out....
Too loyal and he doesn't think there is a problem with OL coaching.
I read a paraphrase of the presser today and Hoke thinks the OL coaching is fine and that talent is there, but the talent is young.
Hoke thinks the OL coaching is fine and that talent is there, but the talent is young.
I'm inclined to believe him over speculation of MGoBloggers. He is not wrong that the talent is there and incredibly young. If you look at the lines of, say, Wisconsin or Alabama you'll find that their lines are mostly juniors and seniors with a sprinkling of sophomores. Michigan broke in an entirely new interior line and recently switched the interior line. They are young and they are inexperienced, they will not be an elite line until probably 2015. We've recruited heavily there because of a disastrous 2010 class which saw no OL taken and has seen tons of attrition.
Now, on the other hand, Funk should be able to take a young Big Ten line and dominate the likes of Akron and UConn, so while I'm not sure about all the 'Fire X' comments I do think Funk's seat is the warmest of all of the staff.
A common sense, measured opinion. Where am I?
But didn't the bears give up a ridiculous amount of sacks last year?
The Bears had some severe OL personnel issues. Only 1 player from last year's OL is on this year's.
(not this player)
As a Bears fan I say NO NO NO to this idea. HIs o-lines were horrendous, couldn't develop young talent and kept shuffling the same crap line out there each week, never shook it up when they failed miserably. Cutler is lucky to be alive after Tice's tenure in chicago. NO NO NO!!!
That might be somewhate plausible considering he would have coached with Jon Hoke last season or longer.
Sounds like a great idea to me. We need an impartial set of eyes to evaluate things NOW. Someone unafraid to be honest/hurt feelings.
Tice doesn't exactly have the track record of a guy that builds offensive lines. It would probably make more sense to hire a former Wiconsin or Denver Broncos assistant than Tice.
Why stop at Mike Tice?? Holmgren, Parcells, some other old guy that's out of football!!!
Don Shula is only 83
What the hell is he up to these days...
Jon Gruden that is all.
Hire Kugler's dad.
If we go down, at least we'll be taking some ears with us.
I like Tice a lot. He played TE for the Gibbs era Redskins that knew a little something about power running too. But are there any other connections except for Tice working with Hoke's brother the last couple years? I'm sure Hoke knows a lot of guys that could come in and offer the same advice Tice could.
Hoke said in his presser today he has a great o-line coach. I know Hoke wouldn't throw Funk under the bus but to go as far as to call him great, I don't think Hoke is considering bringing in anyone to step on Funks toes.
I am not calling for Funks head. Its been ugly. But I am not there in meetings, film sessions and practice to know what kind of job he's doing. The players and recruits really seem to like him too.
But if we are throwing out names I'll play too. I know he is still employed by the Ravens and has quite the DUI history I would welcome Andy Moeller back with open arms. Since Juan Castillo became the run game coordinator and o-line coach and Moeller became assistant OL coach the Ravens run game has gotten worse and worse.
If Hoke honestly believes that he has a great o-line coach, it is far more likely that we will go through another full purge in 3-4 years after the bloom of the 2011 season and the "This is Michigan" speeches wear off. Hoke is admittedly a CEO, great recruiter, face of the program type coach. If he cannot surround himself with quality coordinaters and position coaches, we are doomed. Hopefully he is just saying this to keep the public and his team calm, but if he and Brandon cannot see that they have a Greg Robinson/Tony Gibson level problem on one side of the ball, we should expect 2010 type results going forward (with a slight adjustment for better recruiting, until those recruits realize they will be wasted if they are being coached by Borges and Funk).
Bring in the Bobs. They will help sort things out. "So how much time do you actually spend with the offensive line...?"
So I take it you haven't watched Jay Culter get thrown around like a rag doll for the past severla seasons?
I'm not arguing that Tice is a great OL coach, but he is NFL level, worked with bad players in Chicago, and still managed to produce a good running game.
And, importantly, he's not on the inside; he can offer a lot of help by offering a fresh look.
think it's an idea worth sharing. Isn't there a limit on the number of coaches though? How would a consultant not count toward that? Sounds like a Saban-sized loophole.
Most of that was due to the terrible o-line Tice was dealing with and Martz insisting on 7 step drops and deep vertical passing game.
When Tice took over as OC the sack problem got a little bit better. Still bad but not as ugly as it was.
One thing they could do though was run the ball. They didn't always stick with the run game but they had success when they did.
combo terrible scheme and bad players. I think at least 2 of the Bears starting OL from last year are out of football this year.
How would this work with the limitations on number of total coaches? Does that only apply to coaches who actually interact with the players?
Once you start bringing in "consultants" that really means you just need to replace the guys who are not getting the job done.
Consultants are valuable when there is a very distinct piece of work, that relies on a neutral perspective (this rarely happens, because usually the guy writing the check influences the consultant, but I digress).
Michigan has serious offensive issues and nobody knows why for sure (some blame Funk, others blame Borges, and even others guys like Coach Heck or Jackson). Hoke seems way too loyal to fire anybody, so a consultant can help Michigan evaluate the coaching staff.
Maybe Jerry Hanlon.
Or maybe Funk.
Funny you bring this up. Im a bears fan, and I've thought multiple times that our O-line looks exactly like the Bear's over the last few seasons - every run play, before the RB even gets the ball is like 2 guys have been pushed back a yard, and everyone else is in slow motion.. Tice was brought in to help the bears out, and really didnt do too bad (I know cutler got sacked a million times, but thats more because our first round pick Gabe Carimi ended up being a huge bust).
I watched Tice coach the Vikings to a 32-33 record despite some of the best offensive talent the NFL has ever seen. A few years later I watched Jay Cutler get sacked 9 times by the Giants on a Monday night. This is a silly idea.
Firing your OL coach mid way through the season never works.....
(so they also had a little bit of luck with two teams with better records couldn't play for the championship)
You mean they might play worse????
He was hired by Alabama right before they played us.
Texas's Defense has been playing a lot better under Gerg possibly because Mac Brown is not making him run a 3-3-5..... I'm just saying
Maybe we can also find out Jon Gruden's availability to consult our QBs?
Well this would be a good idea if we plan to replace the entire staff, but considering we have a head coach who is is a bonified Oline/Dline coach, making 2.6 million a year we should never need a seperate set of eyes. This team is simply just not living up and its up to this staff and most importantly the man at the top to right the ship rather then shit the bed against sub par Big Ten competition. Ultimately I think the staff has this figured out and will continue to develop this team, but once again I find myself reaching for next year. Dear god let us find a way to beat Ohio. This will heal everything for me. I cant stand watching Urban use tress's players the same way he did zooks at florida. Urban will faulter and the climb you see our staff making will eventually pay off.
They've been bringing in classes that are just as touted if not more so than ours. If we have reason to be excited about the future due to recruiting success so does Ohio State.
Good idea, for an OL coach next year. Also, fire Al Borges and hire Cam Cameron or Scot Loeffler.
VT's offense has not looked that great this year. Bud Foster has been awesome as usual and that's really the only reason they are winning games. Granted this is only his first year at VT. He did do a good job at Temple the only place he had time to establish his system.
I just don't think Michigan should have to hire guys that may or may not be that great. We should have the ability to hire a proven commodity. Borges is one of the highest paid assistants in the country and for that kind of money we should be getting upper eschelon coaches. Essentially the best money can buy because we are paying some of the highest assistant salaries.
Borges has just not lived up to that level of playcalling and performance I don't want to get another guy in hear that does essentially the same thing and ruins continuity in the process.
I agree that some sort of change needs to be made. However, nothing is going to happen during the season. There is also a good chance that nothing changes in the off season. Hoke seems to be as stubborn as RR regarding his assistant coaches. I really hope I am wrong.
1. No one here knows what Brady Hoke actually thinks about the talent or coaching on the OL. He's made public comments standing behind them, because that's the right thing and smart thing to do when you're stuck with the people you have, which he is.
2. The comparisons with Wisconsin are not helpful. Wisconsin had great OLs for years. Then they brought in a new coach who tried doing things differently and had terrible results. So Bielema fired him, went back to the old way of doing things, and the OL went back to Wisconsin's usual standards. Not really applicable to Michigan's situation.
3. Aren't there NCAA rules about the number of coaches you can have? You say Tice would be a consultant, but what would that mean? What can a consultant do without crossing the line to being an illegal extra coach? This is an honest question. If you could just bring in lots of "consultants" and have them be almost like coaches, Alabama would have12 consultants on staff.
I would add that nobody knows what Dave Brandon has said to Coach Hoke - and vice versa. Regardless of one's opinions of Brandon's executive style, he's not a laissez-faire AD. When he sees what he perceives is even a small problem, he doesn't just accept the first pat (or public) explanation from his coaches and then sing the Fight Song until everyone feels better. He's incredibly engaged - especially in the football program (was on the sideline of this game) and is hyper brand-conscious. If he thinks the course of action by this staff is not the best plan given all the data, I have a hard time imagining he'll be silent very long about it. At least behind closed doors.
I hope you're right
As a Bears fan: HELL. NO.
I wouldn't hire any OL coach who hasn't CONSISTENTLY coached a Top 10 rushing college football team. Period.
Picking a pro coach is a crap shoot. There's no consistency there because of personnel, etc. The top rushing team in the NFL has been different every year since 2006 (Atlanta Falcons led 2004 - 2006 back to back)
Possibly. It's also not like Hoke is gonna come out and say ''Oh yeah the offensive line is GARBAGE!'' If this shit is the same by the end of the season, you can bet Brandon will feel the heat from the fans to make a change. Obviously is worked for msu since they got rid of Roushar.
Offensive line was abysmal during his time there. I want nothing to do with Mike Tice.
I know he's at Arkansas, but Sam Pittman did a heck of a job here in Knoxville. Oh, crap: he's making 500,000 a year. Oof. I'd love to get a combination of Jim Chaney and Pittman to Ann Arbor, though. Lots of things have gone wrong in Knoxville, but those two guys were pretty dang good.
If Arkansas can pay 500,000 I'm pretty sure Michigan can. The question is, would Dave be too cheap to do it?
How about Dick Cheney or Lon Chaney?