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Semi-OT: Toomer Blasts Ray Lewis

The Detroit News has a short article regarding Amani Toomer's impressions of the Ray Lewis spectacle, labeling Lewis a "caricature".  All in all I think it was good of Toomer to call Lewis out on Lewis's antics.

A theme in Toomer's comments is that in addition to Lewis's checkered past, Lewis is largely all about Ray Lewis and less so about his team.  That jibes with my impression of Lewis.

I am a big believer that people can redeem themselves, but also think that most people who do show contrition and humility.  I haven't seen much of either from Lewis, so I'm hoping he goes out with a thud rather than a bang.*  Lewis strikes me as positively unrepenetant regarding his involvement in the Atlanta murders.

On the other hand, Ed Reed seems to be on the way out of the NFL himself, and has been a model of humility.  Anyway, let's hear your thoughts on this topic since it's the off-season.

"It's definitely all about him," Toomer, a former NFL player whose Giants lost to Lewis and the Ravens in Super Bowl XXXV, told USA Today. "Once a guy goes to the center of the field, goes into the victory formation on the last play of his last home game … I just don't think the Giants or any organization I've ever been a part of, even growing up, would allow somebody to single themselves out like that.

*Insert off-color joke about Lewis's crew's victim going out with a bang. Feel bad because the victims were real and the crime horrendous. Wring hands about dilemma of including this comment. Realize the victims were stabbed rather than shot.  Hang head in shame.

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February 1st, 2013 at 9:53 AM | People (Score:-1 Overrated)
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People hate on Ray Lewis because they arent "pissed off for greatness"!!

But in all honesty, I think most of the Ray bashers are simply jealous of his success and the fact he can go out with a story book ending. 

THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS

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February 1st, 2013 at 9:58 AM | Understood (Score:5 Normal)
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The main point of the post was to get discussion going on this.  I sure don't know what's going on in Lewis's heart, but the outward evidence puts me off.  In any event I recognize that there will be varying opinions on this topic, but I was really struck by the difference in Ed Reed's humility and Ray Lewis's apparent hunger for the spotlight.

One thing's for sure.  Lewis has played spectacularly well since coming back from his injury.  You can dislike the guy, but it's hard to not admire his game.

  • "Of course I care about that stuff.  To the point of irrationality.  It will always be Michigan first, cancer second."  Jim Mandich (RIP)
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February 1st, 2013 at 10:36 AM | no doubt. he is the best (Score:5 Normal)
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no doubt. he is the best linebacker I've ever seen and maybe the best defensive player I've ever seen(along with Lawrence Taylor) but that doesn't mean you have to like the guy.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:00 AM | no.I don't like anybody that (Score:5 Normal)
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no.I don't like anybody that is clearly part of a double homicide. but if you chose to think it is because he is good at throwing people to the ground fair enough.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:01 AM | I didn't take his comments as (Score:5 Normal)
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I didn't take his comments as "Ray Bashing" at all.  I think they were honest observations of how Toomer sees Lewis living out his life versus most people you see or hear from that have gone through a redemptive story like his.  Usually they want to discuss their past and how they've overcome it so they can help others to not repeat their mistakes.  Lewis dodges questions or becomes agitated every time the topic is raised.  His public actions don't seem to match the conversion that he claims.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:26 AM | So people randomly pick this one guy (Score:5 Normal)
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So people randomly pick this one guy to "hate on" and be jealous of?  No.  They pick this guy because he was a part of a homicide,

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:48 AM | What I don't get is that guys (Score:5 Normal)
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What I don't get is that guys like Te'o, who was either super naive or just a two bit con man, will always live with their public shaming, but truly bad, bad people like Lewis and Roethlisberger are somehow given a pass. 

Hail.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:57 AM | Upon reflection, I also do (Score:5 Normal)
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Upon reflection, I also do not get how I thought that was a single sentence.

Hail.

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February 1st, 2013 at 3:22 PM | I uhh, actually think that (Score:2 Normal)
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I uhh, actually think that was a legitimate sentence!

And I completely agree.  I blame us, the people (partially, anyway).

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:03 AM | But but but Roethlisberger (Score:5 Normal)
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But but but Roethlisberger won two Super Bowls.  I think that gives him the right to rape anybody he wants.  This is 'Merica!

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February 1st, 2013 at 2:10 PM | and it extends to those in his immediate vicinity (Score:2 Normal)
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And that extends to those in his immediate vicininty, like two off duty state troopers who help him isolate and corner victims.  

 

I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:08 PM | If a Super Bowl-winning QB (Score:2 Normal)
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If a Super Bowl-winning QB can't rape anyone he wants the terrorists have won.

The only thing you learn from history is that you never learn from history.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:31 AM | Jealous? (Score:5 Normal)
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Well, maybe I AM a bit jealous of a guy who can be involved with a double homicide, use performance enhancing drugs, have children with multiple women while withholding child support, and do it all with impunity.

Seriously, screw that guy and screw all the Baltimore starfuckers who think he's some beacon of all of that is good.

No excuses. Play like a champion.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:38 AM | Not being sarcastic: (Score:5 Normal)
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+1 for your use of "starfuckers."  It's a term that should be more widely employed and understood. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:41 AM | Please enlighten me.  I'm (Score:3 Normal)
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Please enlighten me.  I'm afraid to type that into my search engine at work!

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:46 AM | double post (Score:4 Normal)
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Here is this:

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:47 AM | heh. (Score:5 Normal)
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Of all the definitions available on Urban Dictionary this was my favorite...

 

 
People who fly into space in magic bubbles and land on random planets. When they get to the planets they begin to have intimate relationships with the stars. Cussing at them, falling in love with them, having sex with them, spilling out the most intimate details of their heart to them. Soon all the stars know the secrets that most people save for their diaries and therapists. And these people, they are Starfuckers.

 

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:33 AM | This whole sub thread (Score:2 Normal)
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Should be in some sort of MGoBlog of Fame.

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:45 AM | The definition as I understand it: (Score:3 Informative)
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"Starfucker":  A person who worships at the altar of someone who is a celebrity because of that person's celebrity, often despite that celebrity's poor behavior. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:53 AM | Mick Jagger Can Explain This Term (Score:4 Normal)
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From Goat's Head Soup:

  • "Of course I care about that stuff.  To the point of irrationality.  It will always be Michigan first, cancer second."  Jim Mandich (RIP)
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February 1st, 2013 at 2:32 PM | I thought these guys were (Score:1)
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I thought these guys were Starfuckers. Maybe this goes deeper than I thought...

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:40 AM | Full of Win. (Score:2)
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He's going to work for the World Leader though...so expect a whole lot more of that.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:09 AM | Even more mind-boggling to me (Score:4 Normal)
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Even more mind-boggling to me is that ESPN portrays him as such a role model. Sometimes ESPN can have that meathead, former athlete mentality (a lot of them are former football players) and completely brush character issues to the side. 

Life and Loss with Michigan Basketball

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:37 AM | Because if there's one thing (Score:4 Normal)
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Because if there's one thing people hate, it's storybook endings...right?

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February 1st, 2013 at 9:55 AM | Oh the drama.  Is it time for (Score:3 Normal)
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Oh the drama.  Is it time for Spring Ball yet?

 


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February 1st, 2013 at 10:05 AM | haha couldn't have said it (Score:1 Normal)
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haha couldn't have said it better myself. 

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:01 AM | Ray Lewis (Score:-1 Overrated)
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has spent 17 years in the NFL (how many do this?) and has spent all of it in Baltimore (how many do this?)

 

He led the team to their only (and Baltimore's only over the past 28 years) major sports championship.

 

He has twice been a defensive MVP of the league and a superbowl MVP. He has numerous records for linebackers in the NFL (wiki)

 

He is beloved in Baltimore.  Absolutely adored.  Him getting to go out on the field for the victory formation of his final home game is as much for the fans as for himself.

 

The Ravens do a weekly official captain assignment, but Lewis is definitely looked upon as a captain. He holds film sessions at his home and is a big influence to many on the team. (whether you like his methods or not)

 

I don't really understand this criticism.  On the field, who are his peers?

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:23 AM | Your Question (Score:4 Informative)
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No one is criticising his play 'on the field'. It's about his 'Barry Bonds' attitude plus the 'off the field' stuff.

...just one man's opinion.

 

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:13 AM | And I have an issue with the (Score:5 Normal)
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And I have an issue with the whole " mum's the word" stance he has taken in regards to what happened that night in Atlanta. Where the hell is the white suit? Why no apology or monetary compensation to the victims' family?



Seems like he's worked really hard to cultivate this image so that people can forget about or pardon what happened.

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February 1st, 2013 at 12:22 PM | He did settle the civil suits (Score:3 Normal)
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He did settle the civil suits of the families of the two vicitims.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/ravens/2004-05-02-lew...

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:22 AM | Agreed. I was at the game it (Score:4 Normal)
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Agreed. I was at the game it was for the fans, not for him. The fans go crazy for him and he was giving them one last hurrah. He is always on the record saying how great the city and fans have been to him and he tries to show the appreciation.

Plus, just because the guy mugs for the camera and has a semi-annoying preachiness, doesn't mean he's not a team player. The other players on the team love him and he is always talking about how much it's all about the team and not one man. You can't just micro-dissect this one incident and proclaim the man selfish. You have to listen to what his teammates say about him to get the truth.

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February 1st, 2013 at 2:37 PM | I see a very big discrepancy (Score:2 Normal)
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I see a very big discrepancy between Ray Lewis preachiness, and the late Reggie White (actual preacher, probably a better football player, too) but it's whatevs. Sunday is his last game so it won't matter in a couple days.

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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February 1st, 2013 at 11:37 AM | So what you're saying (Score:5 Normal)
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Is that good football players should not be accountable or criticized. Especially really good ones.

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:03 AM | Ray Lewis is a showman and he (Score:2 Normal)
htownwolverine
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Ray Lewis is a showman and he knows which way the wind blows in a PR sense. He has acted the part well but he does give the flashes of anger from time to time that make you pause and think if he truly is redeemed.

Who is Jon Falk?
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February 1st, 2013 at 10:27 AM | Ray Lewis is one of the best (Score:5 Normal)
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Ray Lewis is one of the best football players ever. At the same time, I'm not going to venerate a sports figure or even attempt to judge him, and I don't really feel a need to. You'd think people would learn that lesson after all of the examples we've seen.

The media tries to make celebrities out to be role models, which is ridiculous. If you're choosing Ray Lewis or Tiger Woods or Manti Te'o or even a sports figure that's still widely respected as the person you're going to model your life after, you should probably try to cultivate some actual relationships in your life.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:31 AM | I do have a tough time (Score:3 Interesting)
trueblue262
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understanding why the media has such a "hard on" for Lewis, as in it seems that they are pulling for him especially hard. Yeah, probably so they can write a good story, but why they persecute a guy like Ndomakong Suh for playing on the field with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. And then put a guy like Lewis on a pedestal to help him clear his tainted image? Sorry for the spelling Suh

GRwolverine73

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:45 AM | ESPN is great at self-promoting (Score:2)
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They've already told Ray he has an open job offer when he retires - so they spin all coverage of him in a positive light and avoid anything negative. The general public already seem to love the guy (many probably are oblivious to his past transgretions) so why would they dwell on negatives when they can spit out positives/perpetuate his "self-image" of being a God-fearing, emotional leader and then use that for more profit for themselves?

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February 1st, 2013 at 3:28 PM | Seriously, persecute Suh?  (Score:2)
ESNY
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Seriously, persecute Suh?  You are just as guilty as the Baltimore starfuckers.  Suh is (or maybe was) a dirty player and was rightfully suspended for purposefully stomping on someone's arm after the play ended.  

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February 1st, 2013 at 3:46 PM | Still a double standard (Score:4 Normal)
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It's not that Suh is completely innocent of all wrongdoing, but the media moguls just hit him at every opportunity for things he does on the playing field.

Meanwhile, Lewis is an absolute shit human being off the field and they worship the ground he spits on.

No excuses. Play like a champion.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:43 AM | hmmmmmm... (Score:4 Normal)
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Great player. Problematic legacy of obstruction and potential murder involvement. 

{Edit} Will Ray Lewis perceive Toomer's comments as backstabbing? Wait, what?

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:38 AM | Toomer is exactly right (Score:5 Normal)
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I feel a little sick to my stomach every time Lewis suggests that God is on his side as far as football.  If there is a God, I hope He is working on bigger things than Ravens games.

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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February 1st, 2013 at 1:22 PM | Totally agree. Ray Lewis' (Score:5 Normal)
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Totally agree. Ray Lewis' God-schtick is getting quite old. He's been saying lately how humble he is and how God never makes mistakes. Usually people who are humble don't have to remind the public and the media about how humble they are. Seems counterintuitive to me.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:41 AM | Great... I liked Amani (Score:5 Funny)
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Great...

I liked Amani Toomer, and now he's gonna go and get himself stabbed.

Hail.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:46 AM | Yup (Score:5 Normal)
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The best thing the NFL ever did for player saftety was to injure Ray Lews' stabbing arm.

*drops mic*

No excuses. Play like a champion.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:43 AM | I actually like Ray Lewis (Score:4 Normal)
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....I'll see myself out.

Big and Firm

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:48 AM | Don't apologize for liking (Score:4 Normal)
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Don't apologize for liking him.  I am just sick of the media portraying him as a saint when he has at least a questionable past.  To me, this is like the media trying to force Lance Armstrong down our throats for years even though you know something about him and his story is fishy. I don't hate the guy, everybody makes mistakes. The thing is, you have to acknowledge your mistakes to move forward and Ray doesn't seem to want to do that, at least publicly. 

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:58 AM | Well if my mistake stabbing a (Score:5 Normal)
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Well if my mistake was stabbing a guy, I wouldn't acknowledge it publicly, either.

Hail.

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February 1st, 2013 at 2:15 PM | UM Law? (Score:2 Normal)
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UM Law?  What year?

 

I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:44 AM | For some odd reason I don't (Score:1 Overrated)
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For some odd reason I don't have a problem with Ray Lewis. Maybe it's because he's just so damn intense about...well everything.

That funny Under Armor commerical helps too. You hear that? Footsteps!

"And if that doesn't wet your appetite, you're watching the wrong channel."

You can usually find me bumping some Reggae, hammered on Higgins Lake with the goon squad. #HALOL

Go Blue!

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February 1st, 2013 at 10:50 AM | This doesn't feel like offseason to me (Score:2 Normal)
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The basketball team has me so excited that I feel like we are in season. I cannot wait for tomorrow's game. I'm as excited about tomorrows game as I have been for any of the football games.

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