Good enough to start for the New York football Giants but not Michigan? Crazy man!
Semi OT: Michael Cox to start for Giants tonight/MNF Open thread
Came here to post this, staying for the gang-bang. What???
Good for him though. If he plays well he may stick. Andre Brown doesn't come back for a few weeks and Jacobs is basically a week-to-week player depending on matchups. Hope Cox plays well though, great opportunity.
rises to the occasion! Go hard, Mike!
Stop talking to yourself, Magnus.
Magnus gonna Magnus.
at HB. I forgot his issue, ball security or missing the correct hole but they never gave him much of a chance. I have been pretty upset at our HB use after mike hart.
IIRC, it was his failure to grasp the play book.
I can assure you that a failure to grasp the Playboy was never an issue with Mike Cox
Cox never misses the correct hole.
Mike Cox - Ball Security - Missing the Hole
Word is that Cox struggled with the playbook, but I have a hard time buying that as a reason to keep a guy off the field almost entirely. I mean, Dennis Norfleet apparently "can't grasp the playbook" or "isn't the best option" but the coaches still find packages in which to use him. There's no reason the coaches couldn't have put together at least a small group of plays in which to use Cox and then expand that as he got more comfortable. Something else had to be going on there, but I don't know what.
Not Mike Jones.
BJ Askew(hb turned FB)
Ian Gold(HB turned LB)
First time I saw Michael in a game I thought he should get the ball more and would start, total shame he never did.
but we were stacked then.
What about Alan Branch?
Askew played some tailback. IIRC, he switched as an upperclassman to FB, but even then he was used as a single back frequently.
already got the win in the bag, and with jacobs out, why not role with bouncestar?
Had a small class with Mike. Very nice guy, I'm glad to see him sticking in the NFL.
Still so confused as to how he was probably never better than 3rd string at Michigan and now finds himself starting for the Giants.
the giants have NO running backs?
Nothing against Mike, but the depth chart is bare bones these days. Hope he kicks ass tonight...
He did make the team when they were at full strength - that in and of itself was a surprise.
The Giants have a tendency to go back to schools where they've had success. Victor Cruz probably helped Cox's chances. There was a time when they were on a roll with Michigan backs - Woolfolk, Bunch, Wheatley.
Did he make the team as a rb or kr?
Primarily special teams - don't recall if he's returned any kicks. He has been listed as a RB
Regardless there are many, many backs out there who started multiple years for BCS level programs who cannot sign with anyone. It is a mystery indeed.
I don't think it applies so much to Cox, who for the moment is RB-by-attrition, but I think starting multiple years in college is probably a disadvantage. Backs only have so many carries in them and the RBs getting heavy usage in college don't fare as well in the pros, it seems to me. I don't think it's an accident that among the great Michgan backs the one that had the most successful NFL career (cut short, sadly, by an injury that had nothing to do with wear-and-tear) was the one who had the fewest carries at Michigan.
Maybe we should realize that Fred Jackson's day is gone. He should probably retire.
Somebody please put up his model pic. Okay, thanks.
Thank you. + 53
Just looks like a normal photo to me...which creeps me out because it's not funny, there are no half-naked jugs shaking in my face and there isn't a block M anywhere in the picture.
Fred is a better RB coach than I could ever aspire to be but this is a serious ding on his evaluation skills. Cox is starting in the NFL . . . and was ignored out the door
he had every chance to succeed at michigan just never put it all together. also its not like he was the giants choice to start they have had like billions running back injuries and cox is last man standing basically since he was playing special teams i think, maybe practice squad. hopefully he will take this chance and run with it.
Ya that's just dumb on triangle m. The guy got a start in the NFL who knows how he'll do or if he'll stick.
Ok, to the numbers . . . .
Michigan has had one 1000 yard rusher at the position Jackson coaches since 2007.
Other teams that have more 1000 yard rushing from running backs during that same time frame:
Nebraska (2), Wisconsin (5), Ohio State (2), Penn State (6), MSU (3)
These numbers of course are in a bit of a vacuum because of Robinson, but that's still pretty unimpressive and we are in the company of Purdue, Illinois, Iowa and Northwestern during the same duration.
Honestly, who here can say that they are content with RB production in the last 5 years? Anyone? Jackson has been a good coach for Michigan but his status as a sacred cow here ignores the numbers.
Yes we do ignore the numbers. Our team is better for it. Fred Jackson is an excellent running backs coach. Wheatley, Biakabutuka, Thomas, Perry, Hart. Think he just forgot how to coach? How do we explain Touissant in 2011, then? Is it possible that his backs haven't been very good since 2007? McGuffie has still never broken a tackle, Vincent Smith had a nice career but was never going to be a feature back.
You could make the argument that he isn't good at coaching backs in the spread, but that won't be a problem for long.
So what metric do you suggest we start using for evaluating position coaches then? I think production is the best one in this instance.
None. I think fans assuming anything about position coaches is entirely futile. You just don't know enough. Its like me suggesting you should be fired from whatever job you may have, and basing my suggestion on a hunch.
Well that would be entrely different if you watched the product he helped produce every saturday for 20 years. i heard Coach Jackson was thinking about retiring after Jeremy graduated anyways who knows if it's true but i guess we'll find out after this year. Reader71 I'm not saying this is the same case but no guys don't forget how to coach but the game does pass coaches by ( see Bobby Bowden and a few hundred others who coached too long). I'm not saying that about Coach Jackson at all but i just wanted to make that point
Not that I want Coach Jackson to leave, but if he did, I wonder if that would open the door for Mike Hart or Tyrone Wheatley?
That's a fine point. I don't believe the game has passed him up, as running the ball and blocking as a back haven't changed much. Like I said, you could say he's not good at coaching the spread, and id probably agree.
The problem is the "Fire X" movements kind of ignore the fact that the people that the uninformed desire to see fired are people. They have families. They aren't just a part of the team you root for. Calling for ones termination should be backed by some strong evidence, which is impossible for a fan to have in the case of a position coach.
Just to be clear, I didn't say fire Coach Jackson. I said he hasn't done anything lately, to paraphrase. I'd like to see more production out of our RBs.
Me too. Great minds think alike.
Yeah it's not like we've used running backs by committee or has Denard for 3 seasons.
But the RB-by-committee approach was in large part due to no one seizing control of the position.
RB production has gone down in recent years; that's not in doubt. Whether it's a recruiting or player development issue (or both) is up for debate.
Hard to take you seriously when you cite comparisons with 2 1k rushers
Michigan has also had some historically crappy offensive lines.
Starting (and possibly being successful) in the NFL has a lot less to do with how that athlete was in college than you think it does. With that logic, Mike Hart should've won an NFL MVP already and Tom Brady should've won a few Heismans at U of M. Besides, a special teams player getting the start because of injuries to everyone ahead of him in a very weak RB depth chart isn't the exactly the same thing as "starting." Everyone knew Cox had potential and that's why he was worthy of a winged helmet, but he just wasn't the right guy to get a lot touches for U of M.
I've been saying it all year. Jeremy will graduate and be done after this year, I give Pops a standing O and thank him for EVERYTHING he's done at Michigan. He IS Michigan. But it's time for some fresh blood as the RB coach.
Wheatley or Hart...in that order. But it's time Coach Jack.
mike cox is giant
Tonight everybody is going to have a Giant Cox on their TV
Mike Cox hits all the right holes, and none of the wrong ones.
edit: too slow on the draw. I think we could still use two of these though.
Thanks for starting this thread - I was starting Jacobs in fantasy football and didn't realize he went from questionable to out. At least now I have a shot for some points and might win.
Just another reason
THIS BLOG IS THE Shiznit-O-BAM-Snip-Snap-Salmon
The matchup stats per TeamRankings...
|Rush Play %||40.39%||31.22%|
|Pass Play %||59.61%||68.78%|
|3D Conv %||39.71%||31.94%|
|RZ Scoring %||50.00%||61.54%|
|Opp Completion %||66.67%||64.26%|
|Opp 3D Conv %||49.25%||48.89%|
|Opp RZ Scoring %||65.22%||65.00%|
It is really too bad he never got nominated. He would have made a good governor. Kinda young but that's OK.
Drink every time Gruden says Double-A-Gap Blitz.
FTR I enjoy his commentary.
I absolutely love Gruden. I hope he never gets these coaching jobs, I'll miss him.
Maybe they can bring him back for the Holiday catalog.
practice performance and playing time in games. You have to assume that Kyle Bosch didn't see the field until last Saturday because the coaches determined that there were other guys who'd performed better in practice than he did, and therefore deserved playing time over him. None of them were exactly world-beaters in the game time they'd had, while from all accounts Bosch performed extremely well against Indiana. I understand why coaches use practice performance to determine playing time, but you never truly know how a player is going to perform until he gets sufficient game time. Several alumni UM players have talked candidly over the last couple of years on WTKA (without them naming names) about guys on their teams who excelled in practice but who never really got it done in games.
If not, please let me know so I can start the "(insert name) didn't say Michigan on MNF bitch session thread."
Well, he was drafted out of UMass, so I wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
He played a snap at Michigan and that's all that matters!!!
Hoenstly, I HATE those threads and thus, those people. I don't care if he says "UMass" or "Boys and Girls Club of New York"...it means nothing and the fact that people go crazy over it makes me go crazy. It's my weakness.
I think it's because I grew up 12 years in Ann Arbor and 6 in Columbus. And one thing I ALWAYS hated about Ohio fans were that they think if you were born in the state, you HAVE to like Ohio. Doesn't matter if it's Toledo and you're close to Ann Arbor. If your birth certificate said Ohio, you were a Buckeye. And not only that, but the way that they treated the guys who left the state and went to Michigan made me SICK.
So when I see Michigan fans lose their shit cause someone who played at Michigan doesn't say "The University of Michigan" on MNF...it brings me back to that place. A dark place.
Wow...I'm sorry you're in such a dark place. I hope things get better for you soon.
...but I see now why you're the most hated poster on the board. Makes me feel good to be #2 this time around.
#2 ? Are you sure?
take a deep breath.
Huh? I guess I misread your above post. I really thought your comment about being in "a dark place" because of posts on the internet was a joke. So I played along and said "I hope you get better soon." If you were serious, I apologize. I don't really get where this took a negative turn, but I guess that's how things go on the internet sometimes...
Mike Cox is like Mike Cox, only... bigger.
fucking Giants have Ryan Mundy and Mike Cox starting tonight.
who's next, Tony Pape, Alex MItchell and Cobrani Mixon?
Stevie Brown was put on IR after his preseason injury. Mike Cox is co-starting with another untested RB (at least untested by the Giants, cut by Tampa Bay in September and just signed a couple of days ago) because everybody else was injured, including Jacobs, who was just brought back, no doubt because they didn't have faith in anyone else left on their current roster. They like Mike, but it doesn't sound like they thought of him as a starter, certainly not yet, before desperation set in.
There was a nice little article in the NY Times (print edition, don't have link) when they knew Cox was going to play. He was excited about the opportunity and said things about what he needs to work on: learning the plays, etc. From the few plays I saw tonight, even the commentators were talking about the two RBs doing straight-ahead running only, nothing complicated.
And in other news, Kenny Demens was cut today by the Cardinals. (One can hope they put him back on the practice squad after he clears waivers.)
Eli gets pulled for Matt Gutierrez.
Why is he on that list?
Cox finished the game with 11 carries for 23 yards and 2 catches for 1 yard. I watched part of the game, and there was nowhere to run. The Giants' offensive line looks terrible, plus Minnesota's front four (Sharrif Floyd, Jared Allen, etc.) is pretty good.
The other running back, Peyton Hillis, had 18 carries for 36 yards and 1 touchdown, plus 5 catches for 45 yards and another TD.