Self Reporting Violations and the League

Submitted by poseidon7902 on

So the report of the 4 minor violations got me wondering, how does Michigan compare to other schools.  Taking a very minor subset of schools I found that for some schools it's a regular process to vette their sins on a yearly basis to the public.  Looking at the playoff pool last year I found that the 4 Schools all have self reported violations recently or regularly.  Expanding my search to other schools I found that Tenn, Michigan, South Carolina, Oregon State and Oklahoma State have all reported violations as well.  It seems that this is a normal thing for most major programs.  The question arises then why do some report them and others not seem to.  No Google Search results are found for Michigan State, Rutgers, and Notre Dame.    Again, a small subset of the entirety of Div 1 sports.  So the curious part is why?  What is different about these schools compared to the ones who self reported.  Are they clean?  Are they better at hiding their faults?  I'd like to dig deeper, but am at a bit of a loss how to continue.  The Legislative Services Database (https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/homepage) seems to be where these types of things would be keps, but I don't have access fully to it and the little I do, I am not a lawyer and don't have the time to sorth through all the documents to figure out what exactly is being said or what it means.  So in conclusion, I'm stumped why some schools get regular coverage or report their own violations and others don't.  

UMfan21

May 12th, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^

All schools are required to self report.  Basically the NCAA would rather you fess up, than make them work.

So for schools that have no self reports, either their compliance department sucks, or the media simply has not FOIA'd the data.  I'm leaning towards the latter.

saveferris

May 12th, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

This is what makes the Free Press article so infuriating.  Every school self-reports minor violations to the NCAA.  This isn't really news. 

The amount of violations is almost directly proportional to the size of the compliance staff within each school's athletic department.  Ohio State has one of the largest Compliance Departments in the country and they routinely report 20-30 minor violations every year.  The number was even higher back in the Tressel days before Tatgate.

The availability of the data relates to whether anyone in the media actually requests it through an FOIA.  If you Google "OSU minor violations" you get tons of hits because it seems The Lantern does a report on it annually.  Nothing comes up for MSU because nobody has ever cared enough to check. 

The Free Press only cares about Michigan's reporting in as much as it can garner them page clicks by spinning the narrative that Harbaugh is running a rogue state in Schembechler Hall.

MGoSam

May 12th, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^

Why do we get regular coverage for small violations like this?

HARBAUGH.

To have one of the most visible and prolific coaches, it comes with the territory. They can post these blips all they want because it still means HARBAUGH (IMO).

Giff4484

May 12th, 2015 at 3:37 PM ^

Now I have to see Buckeye fans on twitter and on the Big 10 Facebook page call Jim a cheater and Michigan is getting the death penalty... People really think this is a big deal because of the press its getting and its dumb.

Glennsta

May 12th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^

Because they're on the same "let's create a a story" bent that they used on RR.  Everything is going well in Ann Arbor, so they decide to stir the pot.

LSAClassOf2000

May 12th, 2015 at 5:23 PM ^

The Legislative Services Database is more geared towards storing the actual rules and proposals under consideration as well as some stuff on major infractions. I think the NCAA lets schools self-report online, but I couldn't find a good summary of their case management system nor do I believe it is a public database per se. 

It would be interesting to see a summary / history of self-reporting and what the popular violations are though across the conference. I would read that study definitely. 

saveferris

May 13th, 2015 at 11:45 AM ^

According to an article in the Lantern, in the 2nd half of 2013, the OSU Athletic Department reported a total of 24 minor violations to the NCAA.  Of those 24, 8 were committed by the football program.  They include:

  • 7 impermissible phone calls made to prospective student/athletes and/or their parents, attributed to erroneous "pocket dialing"
  • 1 report of a coaching staff member using a smokeless tobacco product during a game.

The last one is outstanding.  The NCAA guidelines are so tedious and ridiculous, they outlaw coaches using chew during a game.

Esterhaus

May 12th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^

 
It has become increasingly regulated. Most of us have violated the law and without even knowing it.*  We should expect routine non-compliances by the University and Athletic Department. Against this backdrop those major college athletic programs that self-report zero violations should eventually be the most suspect ones. Meh.
 
 
*When I lived in California, I was cited twice for jaywalking across desolate streets. The officer each time popped out from the shadows and acknowledged the local government relied on this enforcement as a sort of local tax revenue.

bronxblue

May 12th, 2015 at 5:38 PM ^

I'm guessing all those schools self-report, but the LSJ and whatever newspaper is in South Bend doesn't care enough to pull an FOIA to find out about it.  There is no college team in America that doesn't either violate these niggling rules.  

TruBluWolv55

May 12th, 2015 at 8:28 PM ^

I think I saw it documented somewhere that during Tressel's 10 years at OSU they had 1367 UN-reported violations and look where they ended up. LOL Crime pays.



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saveferris

May 13th, 2015 at 11:49 AM ^

They also had a quote from Gene Smith stating that 40 or so minor violations a year is expected from the athletic department.  He figures that if the number is only 10, compliance isn't paying enough attention and that there is a problem that needs to be addressed.