Interesting post on Instagram, was quickly deleted. Image is of Alabama starting running back Derrick Henry.
SEC Bag Man Benefits
Having it quickly taken down makes me skeptical.
had him take it down.
No need to worry, the same NCAA "free car" investigator for Ohio is on the case.
Meh, it's only a $40,000 Challenger R/T, with custom rims...nothing to see here.
Did he #SaveTheManuals and get the 3 pedal version?
It's not a 392 so probably not.
The 5.7L is available with a manual, but I don't know the take rate
It's not very common. I think you have to order it from the factory.
Dodge.com has it standard on all R/Ts with the auto optional. Of course, actually finding one at a dealer might be an adventure in and of itself.
FIVE-SPEED AUTOMATIC WITH PADDLE SHIFTERS Paddle-shift technology comes on all R/T models equipped with the available AutoStick five-speed automatic transmission. The shifters are made from zinc metal instead of plastic for increased strength and improved feel.
SIX-SPEED MANUAL Fear not. The art of driving has not been lost. Dodge Challenger R/T models come equipped with a standard TREMEC® six-speed manual transmission.
I'm just going off of what I see everyday. We work on a ton of challengers and generally the only ones I see that are manual are the 392s.
We got a manual with our Dodge (different car) some years ago; lots of grief from the dealer early on but my wife and I prefer manual and, ultimately, it cost a bit less money and stops people from "borrowing" our car here in NY.
To be fair, it isn't an R/T. There is no "Hemi" badge on the hood scoops. Nor is there R/T lettering in the black stripes. If it is brand new, it would be less than $30K.
It hasn't been taken down. I just looked at it on his page. Been up for 14 hours.
I have no doubt in my mind that he received this car against NCAA rules, and that is not me being irrational. But who cares anymore? Obviously the NCAA doesn't as evidence by what they let the SEC get away with.
You do realize that, if one or both of his parents makes a median wage, they can probably buy that car for him with long-term financing? Sure, if they make $40,000 a year it's probably a terrible financial decision to finance a $40,000 car over 7 years, but it's not like a dealership is gonna say no.
It's also possible they recieved financing through alterior means. I'd be willing to bet dollars to pennies that this car wasn't purchased through legit processes.
I dunno, assuming the kid is parked in his parent's driveway, it looks like a standard middle-class neighborhood. I wouldn't be surprised if they bought it for him or if it was a bagman's gift.
Also entirely possible that there was some college savings that could be directed toward other means now that college is 100% paid for (until Saban cuts him).
Friend of mine's parents remodeled the entire house with his and his brother's college funds once they went to one of the military academies and didn't have to pay a dime.
That being said. If I were a betting man, I'd always bet that these kids got the cars by shady means. I feel I'd win over 50% of the time.
Yes, you're probably be right more than 50% of the time. But as you and I (and others here) are asserting, that's not exactly enough to assume something was wrong here.
That wasn't his family's home until he committed to Alabama.
I will counter though that it has been my observation that people who make terrible economic decisions like this tend to spend that money on themselves and not their kids. There are a lot of people out there with homes and cars that they can't afford while their college savings funds are empty.
You're assuming the bagman didn't leave the keys for the house under the mat. I'm sure the car was legitimate since it was parked on the driveway.
Not only that, but it's not like people all across the country never buy cars they have no business buying. I worked for a mortgage broker right out of college, and I was working with a guy whose house was about to go into foreclosure. It was a modest house, but he had a $1,200 monthly payment on an SL500. Was that smart? Nope. Was it terribly uncommon? Nope.
Also - could be a lease. Would make the payments much more reasonable. Get a 3 year lease under the assumtion that by the time the lease is up, you're in the NFL.
for years...it was a window into the depths of human stupidity...one guy whose file I worked on lived with burglar bars on his doors and windows, but had a 1378 monthly payment on an escalade. He said he chose to spend nearly double on his car than his house because nobody "could see him driving around in his house"
to each their own I guess
His big client was a married couple with no kids and a ginormous house. Primary mortgage plus a second, and third with no furniture in the house. Both were doctors making over $250,000 a year. Kept refinancing to take out cash and spend it on _____. (who knows!)
I actually read in a book I have (called "The Millionaire Mind") that this is pretty common amond doctors and attorneys. Those two groups feel a higher than normal need to have show-y material things - houses, cars, clothing, jewelry - based on the prestige of their jobs, and typically have far more debt compared to every other profession in their income bracket. Part of this is the additional schooling - going to law school or med school both delays the point where you start earning money and can also include a lot of student loan debt.
This certainly doesn't apply to everyone in those professions, but based on a large number of people studied, this sort of lifestyle (expensive things, loads of debt) is far more common for them.
I've done a lot of work in wealth management and can say that doctors and lawyers seem to have a higher percentage of financial idiots than other professions. I've had a number that made in the mil a year range and had less than 10k in savings.
There's a term for that...it's called "Hood Rich."
Also possible that his parents saved some money for his colledge education and decided to buy him a car since he got a football scholarship. Not an unheard of motivational technique. I think Dave Molk's Dad bought him a CTS once he got his scholarship.
I think it was schilling and a DTS, but yes, some lineman had a deal with his dad that if he got a full ride he'd get any american car he wanted. Dad cashes out the college fund, buys kid a car
That's awesome. I'd love to do that for my kids some day. Plus, you'd still end up saving money given the cost of college these days.
There's no way this could happen. Haven't you heard? These kids are slaves and they are all so poor they have to scrape together money to buy a pizza
Most of them, yeah.
As a matter of simply summarizing the rules for the board, if it were a gift, the only way that it is in compliance is if the University Of Alabama allows students in general to use or indeed if they typically would provide Challenger R/Ts in the normal course of business. If I remember correctly, bylaw 220.127.116.11 actually rules out automobiles as permissible benefits for current - not prospective (at least not specifically) - student-athletes. The rules are apparently a smidge different for currently enrolled students (a minor but interesting inconsistency).
Okay I have to ask. Were you actually able to recall based on memory alone the six digits of 18.104.22.168 for this bylaw? If so, I don't know what's more surprising- knowing the number in the first place or actually being capable of remembering it.
This is nothing really new for Alabama football players.. if you watch the 2010 espn training days video you clearing see greg mcelroy driving a land rover and other players driving new trucks and SUV's with huge spinning rims.
When McElroy took a pic of the food bill he was texting it to his bagman to let him know to where and for how much the payment had to be made.
Maybe he won it in a "raffle"
that Jim Tressel isn't the only coach who knows how to run a raffle.
To be fair, Buddy only tried to take care of Ray "Voodoo" Taylor after Hurrican Katrina. And we saw the Karmic ending.
That poor exploited football player.
The "bagman" piece from a month or so ago only served to confirm what I already believed to be SOP in the SEC and for schools liek OSU and USC.
I think players should all be allowed to take whatever anyone wants to give them as long as it isn't people associated with gambling, who could affect the integrity of the results. I want to see everyone compete on a level playiing field. Imagine what Michigan could do if their boosters started buying key pieces that are usuall lost to OSU, USC or the SEC.
I wish the NCAA would just stop pretending that people who collectively produce more than billion dollars a year are "amateurs." However, as the rules are now, anyone who is paying is cheating because they are violating rules to create a competitive advantage.
How would the kids even have the faintest clue if a gift-giver is associated to gambling in any way? That slope gets slippery real fast.
the car is parked in a beat-down, shitty neighborhood. Parents could have adequate money to buy their son a nice car. Did he get it by the letter of the NCAA law? I don't know; but I think the point is, that neither do you, so it's not fair for us to speculate.
I think it's probably ok to speculate. Probably.
to do whatever you want. How am I going to stop you? I just don't think it's fair to immediately cast shade on this guy because he drives a nice car.
That's because he's at the bagman's house, duh!
Look at the houses in the background, doesn't look like he lives in the hood. Very possable that was a gift from mommy and daddy.
It is also possible to get government money, $10,000 to open a coffee show, $3,000 to learn a new language or work on your invention....
No idea of this kids background or parents, but it is at least plausible that this nice house in the burbs may also have been a gift from good ole' Saban Claus.
That car costs more than those shanties, that is a blue collar block.
I saw Braylon Edwards driving a black Bently Coupe around campus back in the day. Its not just the SEC or OSU - they're just the ones who get "caught".
played in the NFL for 6 seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if his parents could afford a nice car for him.
His grandmother bought the car? I get it now
to Braylon Edwards in regards to the comment about him driving a Bentley. His dad played 6 seasons in the NFL. Henry's parents do seem to have a checkered past though, you are correct.
Anyone else remember Gabe Watson's H2? I think it was just his last semester (most likely an advance from his agent and legit) but there was a big yellow H2 that he used to roll around in on like 24" rims.
It's not uncommon for sure-fire draft picks (and Braylon was going to go and did go top-10) to get an advance on their first contract from their agent. The agent could have lent Braylon $ for a down payment and a few months with the understanding that after Braylon gets his contract he'll pay the agent back.
This is eactly right. I knew Braylon in college, and he didn't have that car until about March before he graduated. Everyone knew about it (because he drove it all around campus, which I would probably do too) but there was nothing shady there. It's not uncommon for agents to offer big gifts to lure in guys who are going to be top picks. Same thing with Gabe, who wasn't as high of a pick, but had a Hummer instead of a Bentley. And yes, I think those rims were 24". I remember driving behind one day, thinking the spare mounted on the back was almost as wide as the hummer itself.
a 3* Legacy recruit a Bently?
He only got his Bentley after the season was over and his agent gave it to him.
bunch of times but only after the end of the season and right before the draft
Not quite on the same level as a Bentley, but during the spring of my senior year (2010), Brandon Graham got himself a nice Escalade and drove it all around campus for everybody to see. I don't know the specific details, but I heard in his case nothing he did to get the car was impermissible.
That's small peanuts compared to what Ole Miss gives out.
What I can't explain is why this kid would use last king 2 for his name. If I had a cool, hip name I wanted to use, then found out someone else had already thought of the name and is using it, I would want to come up with something else. I wouldn't just add a 2 to it. Especially if a word in my name (last) implied I was the only one with that name.
Or was this not the point of the thread?
He wore #2 in high school. Has several pics from his HS days where he hashtags #2 in the caption. May have something to do with it.. Although, your conclusion is more entertaining.
I wondered if his number had something to do with it. I just wanted a little break from the mischievous assumptions(accurate or not) being thrown around here.
This has to be the funniest stuff ever on mgoblog. Well done sir! I firmly believe my +1 does not express the level of humor I find in your post. Well done indeed!!
If you are on a full athletic scholarship, are you able to take out fed loans?
even on some terrible lease agreement so it's possible it's legit but I will still cock an eyebrow in that direction (even more so since it was quickly taken down)
FWIW I knew the guy who sold LeBron's mom the infamous yellow Hummer she bought for him when he was still in high school. EVERYBODY assumed it was somehow given to him illegally given that Gloria had zero money and the family couldnt possibly afford it.
What he told me was the nature of the deal made it VERY attractive to the dealership if Lebron was able to turn professional and pay it off. They put her on the high risk financing package (around 25% interest) and deferred all payments for 24 months (while he was in High School) making that Hummer go for about 100K plus when paid off.
So if Lebron doesnt go pro for some reason the dealership is basically out the two year depreciation of the Hummer after the repossess it but if he does then then get over 100K for a 50K car. Given that he was on the cover of ESPN the Magazine at the time it seemed like a pretty good bet for the dealer and they took it.
We always want to think this stuff is shady but I'll bet al lot of time it's not - it's just a dealer willing to bet on the kid knowing they'll make a shit-ton of money on the deal if they kid hits.
LeBron was just about the surest thing to go pro in a big way in the last 25 years. Derrick Henry is a sophomore in a sport that sees a lot more kids go down due to injury and could find himself out of the game in the next couple of years. And even if he does get drafted, Henry isn't going to see LeBron money for his first contract, or maybe ever. It's also highly unlikely he'll get sponsored like LeBron did.
Businesses, like the dealership that financed LeBron, understand the risk/reward...no way would an honest business put together a similar deal for Derrick Henry, or most college football players.
Obviously this doesn't apply to LeBron, since he never was an NCAA athlete. But if the dealership offers a player a financing package that isn't available to the general public, isn't that an impermissible benefit? I know that most people with zero money can't walk into a dealership and get a luxury car for no money down and no payments for 24 months. If an NCAA athlete starts driving around in a suspiciously nice car, it's reasonable to ask questions even though these kind of financing packages might be available.
But it is available to the general public IF the dealer wants to roll the dice on the deal. Think of it this way - if you had an inherentence that was timed to your 21st birthday and you went to the dealer and asked for the "LeBron Special" on your 19th birthday they'd probably give it to you too. The dealer can do anything they want - it's their car - and in this case the deal was with Lebron's MOM - not Lebron. And she can give the car to anybody she wants as well. Nothing shady about this - just somebody willing to take a risk for a big potential reward.
It's simply a matter of somebody willing to take a risk on your ability to pay back a loan in he future. Candidly - somebody in medical school could probably swing this too IF they wanted to buy an expensive car badly enough.
[The NCAA does not allow you to ] give gifts [to college athletes] with the expectation of repayment when the kid goes pro.
(edit: which wouldn't affect the "legality" of the James scenario, obviously. I'm referring to a college setting).
(edit#2: I didn't even know there was an OHSAA, so forgive my ignorance. I'm not going to pretend to be up on those rules. If I edit this thing any further it's going to shamble to life and start feasting on brains).
was I thought TJ Yeldon was Alabama starting RB
Sometimes when there is smoke. There is actually fire.
Columbus, am I right?
The more pressing question is did he really just name his car "Fiona"?
how many Star athletes that sign with the SEC or Ohio St get a new car after they sign???40,000 car for a High School kid?....We ALLLLLLLL know how this works and the NCAA turns and looks the other way...SEC South East Cheaters
It would have cost $15,000 just to make it look nice.
If I'd have gotten a free ride, I'd have gotten the savings in cash or a nice gift like that. Is it legit? Maybe not, but it could be.