The SEC and How I Feel

Submitted by UMichGA on
I live in SEC Country. I am a fan of Texas and Michigan. I have to sit and listen to SEC supremacists everyday. I hate the SEC. However, I am not so stupid as to not see facts before me. If you want to take the window of the last 5 years, or even the entire BCS era and ask, who is the best conference?, then it is the SEC. I don't whine and complain that the SEC isn't the best conference in the recent era. I see about 4 SEC teams in the top 10 in recruiting going back at least 5 years. I know that 4 different coaches in the SEC have won titles in the past 15 years and 3 of them in the BCS era. If you notice I said about 4 SEC teams are in the top 10 in recruiting every year. That means that on average there's at least 1 team from every conference that recruits as well as a SEC champ. I show that 4 different coaches in the SEC have one championships in the past 15 years. That means, doing a quick look at the other MNC winners there are 7 winners not in the not in the SEC from 5 different conferences that aren't the SEC. If I had to rank them over the past 10-15 years i'd say: #1 SEC, #2 Big 12, #3 Big 10, #4 PAC-10, #5 ACC, #6 Big East. Every conference has had a team win a BCS Title (if i'm seeing it right Miami won their's while they were in the Big East). What I can't stand is the SEC bottom feeders. I can't stand the Mississpi State, Ole Miss, Kentucky fans or any other bottom feeder teams fans talking about SEC DOMINANCE. I watched the BCS title game. I watch Alabama beat Texas 37-21. Alabama tacked on 2 touchdowns in the last two minutes. Texas played with their four year starter, multiple quarterback-of-the-year award winner on the bench. With a freshman, Texas scored 21 points. I kind of remember the SEC Title game. Alabama beat Florida 32-13. Florida had a three year starter, heisman trophy winning quarterback play the whole game. They scored 13. Does this prove SEC DOMINANCE?! No, it shows that the #1 team played a really good team to get to the BCS title game to play what most people believe is the #2 team. If you read all of this, I'm sorry for the length. My team losing coupled with having to listen to the people around me spout ignorance has brought me to a point where I have to vent my thoughts. I chose to vent them on the internet, because as retarded as the internet is, it still has a few iq points on the average SEC fan. Thank you, that is all. -UMichGA P.S. I posted this in another sports forum I read and thought I'd air it out here also. BECAUSE I'M ANGRY DAMNIT!

bluebyyou

January 10th, 2010 at 6:12 AM ^

I am not sure if the weighting used by the datawarehouse.com is considered to be sound, but if it is, the SEC has done quite well for itself for quite some time. http://collegefootball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&zTi=1&sdn=collegef… Most conferences have teams that seem to always be near the top and other teams that are bottom feeders. That is just the way it is. I have friends who attended SEC schools; they never fail to let you know their point of view. Being honest, in the recent past, there is merit to their claim. I do live in the cesspool known as Ohio, relatively close to Columbus. I shower with teflon most days during football season.

jb5O4

January 10th, 2010 at 10:17 AM ^

I've come to learn that the best thing to tell these people is that I don't care. Nothing pisses them off more than that. You are not going to win the argument with them. Their teams have been more successful. I've come to realize that they are the way they are because they think the rest of the country looks down on the south, this region doesn't really have anything else. Pro sports down here is a joke. Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina don't even have a single pro team. I think they've given up on trying to be competitve academically with the rest of the county, and I speak mostly of the K-12 education but that hurts the universities when there aren't a whole lot of smart kids in your state. All they care about down here is college football. LSU completely shuts down from Friday afternoon till Sunday afternoon on home games. All labs, libraries, all academic activities hault for 48 hours. People down here believe this is the one and only way to get the rest of the country to give respect to the South.

Tater

January 10th, 2010 at 10:33 AM ^

If you can't stand 'em, beat 'em. That's really the bottom line here. The SEC has, through their play, made their title game the de facto MNC semifinal, and then beaten most of what has been thrown in front of them. Instead of being pissed off at their accolades, I would be more pissed off at what "my" team and conference aren't doing. Some factors that could swing the pendulum soon: 1. A resurgent Michigan. A traditionally strong team being first outdated, then rebuilding, has done a lot to hurt the conference. Michigan will not only change this by getting back to their customary place on the food chain, but also as one of the two "role model" teams in the conference. For the most part, Big Ten teams have imitated the UM/OSU conservative style because it has been the most successful. This leads to the next point. 2. Modernization of Big Ten offenses. When Michigan succeeds again with a spread offense, it will officially become "the" offense in the conference. So far, it has been mostly bottom feeders using the spread to get into the middle of the conference, but they need one elite team to succeed with the spread. That will be Michigan. 3. Speed over bulk. The age-old argument that "you need those big guys to compete in Big Ten weather" is being proven wrong. Strength and levarage mean more than bulk, and bulk lowers speed. The fast teams are winning everything now; the old-style Big Ten dinosaurs are quickly becoming extinct. 4. National recruiting. PA and OH are two very good states for players, but they can't feed the entire conference. MI is mediocre, with a few top-level, elite prospects but not enough depth to build a championship team without some help. FL, TX, and CA are still the most important recruiting states, with OH, PA, and GA probably next. 5. Wiscy and Iowa must either stay at their current level or improve, and the perennial middle to bottom-feeders have to step it up. The SEC beats the Big Ten because of depth. FL and AL are at the top right now, but LSU, GA, and UT are usually very good programs, too. They really kill the Big Ten on the second tier, with Auburn, Ole Miss, and Arkansas compared to NW, MSU, and Minnesota, NW's good showing against Auburn notwithstanding. This year, the Big Ten got back up to at least number three and possibly number two, depending on whether or not you would rate the Big 12 over the Big Ten because of TX making it to the MNC game. How did they get there? On the field, where things like that are supposed to be decided. Considering the bowl results, I would put the Big Ten at number two right now. And that isn't really bad at all. It changes from year to year, but that's what sports and competition are all about. The SEC deserves their lofty perch at the top. I'm not happier about it than most Big Ten fans, but the only way for it to change is on the field. All of the anger in the world won't change the fact that the SEC is better right now. Only performance will. To paraphrase RR, the Big Ten will surpass the SEC when they earn it. A Big Ten team getting to the MNC game and actually winning it would be a great start. Maybe 2011 is the year it turns around.

DoubleB

January 10th, 2010 at 12:27 PM ^

The SEC wins games. 14-5 in BCS games. They've won 6 of the 12 national championships in the BCS era. The Big Ten had a solid bowl season, but even though everyone thought the SEC was down, the conference still finished 6-4. When the Big Ten is excited about going 4-3 and the SEC is "down" because they go 6-4, it kind of gives you an idea of where things stand right now in the pecking order of college football.

Tully Mars

January 10th, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

It wasn't just that we went 4-3, it was that the wins came over top 15 teams and 2 of the losses were very nearly wins. On top of that, what is the only conference with 3 teams in the top 10? The Big Ten. I'm not trying to argue that the Big Ten was better than the SEC, just that the Big Ten did well by itself this year. If Iowa, Wisc, PSU, and OSU all maintain their level of play and Rich Rod can rebuild Michigan to an elite school, you're now talking about reasonably having 5 teams in the top 15. That I think is a solid conference.

bronxblue

January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

I agree with some of your points, but I take issue with your belief that the Big 10 is full of slow big guys while the SEC is filled with ESSSS-EEEE-CEEEE speed. This article, which references a couple of well-respected authors, pointed out that the Big 10 is just as fast as any conference in America. Perhaps to a greater point, the recruiting capabilities for most teams has gone far more expansive over the years, with even the mediocre teams in various conferences having some success in distant states. Maybe when a Nebraska played a Miami in the 80s there was a speed difference, but in today's game a fast kid on Georgia is just as fast as a kid at MSU. As for your argument that the Big 10 has been more conservative than other conferences in adopting new offensive styles, I point out that Purdue has been running some form of a spread for over a decade, and rode it to a Rose Bowl and a number of big wins. OSU played a very (at least for them) wide-open offense when Troy Smith was at the helm, and UM's pro style was certainly capable of running over anyone when Carr was willing to open it up. By comparison, John L. Smith tried to turn MSU into a wide-open, pass-happy offense and fell on his face, while Auburn's attempt at opening it up led to one of the worst offenses I've seen in years. Good teams win no matter the system they run because they have good talent, and that's why teams like Alabama and USC have been consistent winners using their decidedly non-spread attacks. A team with good talent wins; a spread offense might cover up the holes a bit better talent-wise against mediocre clubs, but against more talented outfits they usually have trouble. I do agree that the Big 10 has had some trouble in the past letting go of methods that used to work, but no more than teams in other major conferences. The reason the Ole Miss's and Texas Tech's of the world take a chance on the new systems is because they haven't experienced success before, so you are not trading in a working model for the unknown. Teams like Nebraska, OSU, Oklahoma, UM, etc. always won, so the argument went that there was no need to try to fix it. I agree that was a detriment to the teams being consistently competitive as the years went on and talent distribution leveled out (the biggest reason, IMO, why more teams are successful is due to the reduction in scholarships), but I can also understand why they viewed some of the systems as more "fad" than anything else. UM will succeed when RR has talented players on both sides of the ball, and that would be true irrespective of the system he runs. The SEC has experienced some recent success because they have top-flight talent and creative coaches, but they also succeed because the BCS is set up such that two teams from basically 4 conferences - Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10 - are going to play for the title each year. Sure, a resurgent Miami or VT might sneak in one year, but those four conferences have a virtual monopoly on who plays for the MNC. Alabama and Florida were ordained as potential MNC players, so irrespective of how they did on the field, they were always going to be in the mix. Right now, I think the SEC is a very good conference with exceptional PR, and was once the case for the ACC, Big 12, and especially late 90s, early 00s, the Big 10. While most would view Florida's shellacking on an overrated Cincy team in turmoil over the lost of its coach, and Alabama's nail-bitter against a freshman playing his first game of the year, as signs that maybe those teams were not as good as advertised, the story is that the SEC is dominant and every other conference sucks. I simply don't believe in that, and once the Big 10 continues to win hopefully that story will change.

bronxblue

January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

I agree with some of your points, but I take issue with your belief that the Big 10 is full of slow big guys while the SEC is filled with ESSSS-EEEE-CEEEE speed. This article, which references a couple of well-respected authors, pointed out that the Big 10 is just as fast as any conference in America. Perhaps to a greater point, the recruiting capabilities for most teams has gone far more expansive over the years, with even the mediocre teams in various conferences having some success in distant states. Maybe when a Nebraska played a Miami in the 80s there was a speed difference, but in today's game a fast kid on Georgia is just as fast as a kid at MSU. As for your argument that the Big 10 has been more conservative than other conferences in adopting new offensive styles, I point out that Purdue has been running some form of a spread for over a decade, and rode it to a Rose Bowl and a number of big wins. OSU played a very (at least for them) wide-open offense when Troy Smith was at the helm, and UM's pro style was certainly capable of running over anyone when Carr was willing to open it up. By comparison, John L. Smith tried to turn MSU into a wide-open, pass-happy offense and fell on his face, while Auburn's attempt at opening it up led to one of the worst offenses I've seen in years. Good teams win no matter the system they run because they have good talent, and that's why teams like Alabama and USC have been consistent winners using their decidedly non-spread attacks. A team with good talent wins; a spread offense might cover up the holes a bit better talent-wise against mediocre clubs, but against more talented outfits they usually have trouble. I do agree that the Big 10 has had some trouble in the past letting go of methods that used to work, but no more than teams in other major conferences. The reason the Ole Miss's and Texas Tech's of the world take a chance on the new systems is because they haven't experienced success before, so you are not trading in a working model for the unknown. Teams like Nebraska, OSU, Oklahoma, UM, etc. always won, so the argument went that there was no need to try to fix it. I agree that was a detriment to the teams being consistently competitive as the years went on and talent distribution leveled out (the biggest reason, IMO, why more teams are successful is due to the reduction in scholarships), but I can also understand why they viewed some of the systems as more "fad" than anything else. UM will succeed when RR has talented players on both sides of the ball, and that would be true irrespective of the system he runs. The SEC has experienced some recent success because they have top-flight talent and creative coaches, but they also succeed because the BCS is set up such that two teams from basically 4 conferences - Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10 - are going to play for the title each year. Sure, a resurgent Miami or VT might sneak in one year, but those four conferences have a virtual monopoly on who plays for the MNC. Alabama and Florida were ordained as potential MNC players, so irrespective of how they did on the field, they were always going to be in the mix. Right now, I think the SEC is a very good conference with exceptional PR, and was once the case for the ACC, Big 12, and especially late 90s, early 00s, the Big 10. While most would view Florida's shellacking on an overrated Cincy team in turmoil over the lost of its coach, and Alabama's nail-bitter against a freshman playing his first game of the year, as signs that maybe those teams were not as good as advertised, the story is that the SEC is dominant and every other conference sucks. I simply don't believe in that, and once the Big 10 continues to win hopefully that story will change.

the_white_tiger

January 10th, 2010 at 9:20 PM ^

2. Modernization of Big Ten offenses. When Michigan succeeds again with a spread offense, it will officially become "the" offense in the conference. So far, it has been mostly bottom feeders using the spread to get into the middle of the conference, but they need one elite team to succeed with the spread. That will be Michigan.
Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa and Wisconsin were all successful in their bowl games without the spread offense. And yes, Penn State's "spread HD" was not utilised. Pro-style offenses can and will win games, they did durintg the bowl season. The spread is not a prerequisite for success.
3. Speed over bulk. The age-old argument that "you need those big guys to compete in Big Ten weather" is being proven wrong. Strength and levarage mean more than bulk, and bulk lowers speed. The fast teams are winning everything now; the old-style Big Ten dinosaurs are quickly becoming extinct.
Again, the Big Ten proved this year that this is false. Wisconsin is big. They have a big offensive line. They have a big defense. They shut down Miami's "faster" atheletes. John Clay and Monte Ball ran over and around people all game, and Lance Kendricks was able to consistently get open against safeties and linebackers, and he's a tight end. Speed and Size are not mutually exclusive either. Look at Iowa's defensive line, they were bigger than Georgia Tech's undersized spread offensive line yet dominated them all game long with their athleticism. The fast teams may be winning everything now but it's because they're big and fast.

blueheron

January 10th, 2010 at 11:07 AM ^

With recruiting, remember that the rankings are biased in favor of the SEC region. If their recruits were so good, we could expect the teams to finish in spots commensurate with their recruiting rankings. That hasn't happened, leading to the inescapable conclusion that there is a... BIAS (yes, a bias) toward the southern schools. Rivals, Scout, et al. know how their bread gets buttered.

Black Socks

January 10th, 2010 at 6:28 PM ^

If you look at the big picture the south is trying to find something of which to be proud. They don't have the best history (slavery, segregation) so they latch on to football. I never heard SEC speed mentioned once when it was a segregated conference. It always makes me laugh to see a middle-aged, rotund NASCAR fan telling someone how the SEC is so athletic. You got it buddy.