A video is up on MGoBlue of scrimmage from yesterday. Thoughts?
A video is up on MGoBlue of scrimmage from yesterday. Thoughts?
I can't wait till Sept 5th.
Looks like it was Sheridan that threw the INT to T. Jones.
Yup. I told you that yesterday.
It wasn't a terribly thrown ball though. From my angle it looked like it went through the receivers hands, but I wasn't on a very good angle so take that for what its worth.
It's hard to see what is going on when you are only seeing highlights and dont know how Vanilla the D might still be.
With that being said I'm still convinced that Tate is the starter for WMU. I thought he clearly throws the best ball on any QB on this team and I dont think it is close. Denard should be the back up and I do think at some point this season we will need Sheridan to possibly win a game or hold a lead that we might be giving away.
Defensively It's hard to say what your really seeing out there. From first look it seemed that we didn't tackle well at all. Didn't seem to get much pressure on the QB either.
Anyways that was cool to watch.
I had to giggle a little bit when "Death" threw the INT though and Tate took a hit and got up so we can all breath easy!
Gerg kept saying "whiskey" and "knife" as defensive formations, but that was about all I heard. It seemed pretty vanilla on both sides of the ball.
Its tough to really get anything from the scrimmage because the offense wasn't trying to set-up plays or stretch the field much with the down field passing game. I think they were just trying to get some game like situations and see how the kids reacted. It was fun to watch.
Regarding tackling it appeared at times we tackled very well and at other times it was suspect. Most of the good tackling was done by our 1st team defense and most of the poor tackling was done by the 2nd and 3rd string defense, so I wouldn't be too concerned.
A defense named for an alcoholic beverage? One that 2/3 of the team isn't old enough to drink yet?! Just goes to show the lack of family values in the program.
the positions the LBs and secondary were in? By that, I mean were they in the good positions to make plays or guessing and getting lucky if the ball came their way.
After last year and watching Trent and Brown and some LBs being in the wrong place and missing so many tackles, I hoping to build some confidence that the players that take the field on Sept 5 can read a play, get into position and actually hit and wrap a guy up.
Anything else you can add would be great. Thanks.
I was more or less focusing most of my attention on the offense and the QB's, but when I was watching the defense practice and in the scrimmage it appeared that our corners were playing a lot of press coverage, our safeties looked to be where they were supposed to be (they were helping out the corners instead of cleaning up after them), and the LB's made some great plays on blitzes and stopping the run.
That being said, when they were out of position the coaches got on them ASAP and corrected the mistake. It happened with Brandon Smith one time and Hopson ran out on the field yelling. Needless to say, he was in the right spot next time.
I'm not an expert, but it did look like a more athletic, fast, and cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. Take it for what its worth.
Our defense looks brutal, I'm not convinced Mike Barwis's strength program is good for the D-line yet, I want fat guys that plug up holes, not fast guys because you don't want your lineman to have chase the running back down the field. But we'll see, maybe our offense is that "good".
Barwis and RRod don't want fast linemen, either. They want quick, explosive linemen.
It's amazing how when the offensive lineman can power clean 400+ pounds, you want linemen who are a little heavier at the expense of their penetration, ability to shed blocks and lateral mobility. The field isn't as wide as your defensive linemen, they need to be able to play football. What linemen demolished Ohio State in the championship games? Agile ones? What linemen do we need to combat the spread? Agile ones? What kind of linemen destroyed Oklahoma's 350-average mauling O-line with a 3-man front in the fiesta bowl? Agile ones?
Let's accept the reality that we need this, and preaching weaknesses as strengths is not the way back to the top.
The D-linemen may lose a little weight, but they're mostly dropping fat and gaining muscle. According to earlier Eeeeeeee reports, strength numbers are up even though weight is down. Barwisization might make it easier for a forklift to lift Will Campbell, but I don't think it'll make it easier for opposing O-linemen to move him.
Besides, they looked pretty strong on the back-to-back safeties.
I like that David Cone didn't get the no-contact jersey. Definitely increases his rep for his rap career.
It looks like Denard was playing against the 1st team - I saw Ezeh, Brown, and Martin on the field when he was playing. He also had Ortmann and Huyge out there at tackle, so it seems like he's getting some first team reps.
Denard for starter, people. Embrace it.
I'm officially aboard the "Denard for Starter" bandwagon.
But some of his throws from those highlights looked like lobs which worries me a little. Either way, it should be exciting to see who trots out for the first snap on September 5!
I'm with you on that. His whole motion looks kind of awkward, but I guess so did Vince Youngs and things turned out pretty well in college for him...
I'll second this. I don't even know how to classify Denard's throwing motion.. it's just weird.
"needs work" is the kindest thing you can say about Robinson's footwork and mechanics. Tonnes of raw athletic ability, but the key there is "raw."
I thought about this while reading the "Letters from camp" notes on MGoBlue. They seem to detail an awful lot of plays made by Denard. I'd settle for a steady dose of a Tate/Denard rotation to start the season.
He could do it. He really impressed me today and I would be slightly pissed off if he doesn't get some solid playing time this season. He was scrambling for some big gains, but also throwing the ball pretty well. Tate obviously had better passing skills (28 yard over Mathews' shoulder TD), but I like Denard, too.
OOPS... double post move along.
they all took reps against the first team D. if anything you should've noted that it was tate that started against the first team D.
You are both wrong and missing the point:
1. Sheridan actually started the scrimmage, Karsch notes that his touchdown drive came "on the first drive".
2. I doesn't matter who "started" against the 1st team. People were saying that Robinson's big plays were coming against the 2nd or 3rd teams. That clearly wasn't happening yesterday - they were on the 1st team.
I like how everyone now is all for Denard starting because they hear a few people say he's had good practices. Just 2 weeks ago Tate was our 4 year starter who would win us a NC.
I was thinking the exact same thing. It's the sign of a fanbase desperate for good news after last season... Not that I'm not one of them. But I like Tate, and I'm behind him unless RR tells me I should like Denard by starting him
To be fair, Chitown has long been pro-Denard as a starter.
And what is wrong with that? I had never seen Denard play against college football players so I obviously didn't want to make the assumption that he would start. I saw Tate and he looked sharp in the spring so until I watched Denard, I assumed he would. But based on what I read and watched from the recent practices, I think Denard really has a shot to start now. Don't really see what's wrong with that...
To be fair, I've been pounding the Denard drum for about 4 months.
so, like right after your boy dual Threet transferred?
I liked Steven Threet. So?
Just teasing you a little, that's all. I like Threet, too. He worked hard and did the best he could when he was here and I respect him for it. I hope he does well at ASU.
All these guys are working their asses off and it will be awesome to watch them grow. I hope all three QB's play, and play well. Having to game plan for three different guys would be a nightmare for a d-coordinator, and the defensive players always having to worry about which guy is in the game can only benefit the offense - that is, if they can all execute and the offense comes together around them. There's no doubt that Denard has some special tools, and I think Tate is special too.
Tate, Denard, and Nick all had reps with the 1st and 2nd team offenses. They also went against the 1st and 2nd team defenses at times too.
I really liked Denard yesterday though, the guy brings an aspect to this offense that I don't think you can account for on every play. He would run around and make a pass or break off a long run. It was funny watching people chase him all over the field.
I will have to see it to believe it, chitown. What I see watching the video out of Central Propaganda is that Tate has the best touch of the three.
[as an asside, I would think that wobble ball bubble screen that Sheridan threw should tell you all you need to know about his chances to start]
Note also that none of the videos show the QB's running. And the text portion of the scrimmage report noted that the defence evened up the score in the second half of the scrimmage. We all have to remember that these videos are showing us exactly what they want us to see. Tate will be No. 1 even if Robinson is in for some plays.
Denard looks pretty good in practice, but it's pretty hard to tell what with seeing only the highlights. Still, I thought his release/spiral would look a lot worse from what I was hearing.
That over the shoulder bomb to mathews was great to see. It will be nice to have a quaterback that can actually complete that pass.
The only time I could really tell was his pass to Gallon, which was against the 5th team.
Brian, how 'bout it?
Cazzie it's comming middle of next week.
What he said about the kicking made me very happy
I wish the whole thing was out there for us to watch, because it's hard to tell how well the offense and defense are doing when you just see highlights.
There were probably three or four passes in that video alone though that would never have been completed (or completed for a gain) last year, and that's encouraging. Cannot wait to see how we put defenses on their heels when we've got Minor in the backfield with a serious deep threat at QB.
I recall reading a quote from Rodriguez that when it was time to scrimmage they would allow full hitting on the QB's, with the rationale that especially with the freshman, full contact was the only way to see how they react under pressure before the season starts. Hard to tell from the video, but it didn't seem they were hitting the QB's, though there was that one safety when Tate was in. Anyone know more about that? Were they allowing partial contact? I would be very nervous having a freshman QB line up for the first couple of games having not been exposed to full contact.
Not sure, I think I saw some contact though. Sheridan looks like he got leveled after the INT.
They were getting hit, but it was a cautious hit. If you get what I mean. You could tell the players let up when they were going after the QB. JB Fitzgerald just slapped Tate on the back for a sack, B. Graham did the same thing, a DB let up a little on Denard and got trucked for a Denard TD. So, they were getting hit and some contact, but it wasn't game situation type contact.
anyone see minor out there? Thought he was 100%...was he held out?
EDIT: He has been out with headaches Annarbor.com says.
I think he is going to be a great runner for Michigan in the years to come. The guy looks strong and fast. Granted, all I've seen was one 45-yard run during a scrimmage but damn, that was a nice looking 45-yard run.
i thought he help the ball weird. sort of straight up.
Like Tiki Barber?
yeah...you mean that guy that had fumble issues for 80% of his career...yeah, that guy.
He was definitely one of the most impressive backs during the scrimmage. I haven't watched the video yet, so I'm not sure if they showed the play where Cox got caught up in the backfield and ran back and forth from side line to side line and got a 1st down. That was the most impressive run, IMO.
except that it doesn't.
your trip to the territory of Bouje.
badmouthing Michigan fans. Hmmmmm.....
Bro, bro, bro.
How is this comment gonna get us some mad pussy tonight?
My Troll-O-Meter just red-lined.
where you said it is sad that he gets involved in discussions because that is not a life but then said "i read this blog all the time" in the same breath. +1 (not really tho, -1)
that's not how the points work. for example, i have almost 600 points but i haven't made anywhere near 600 posts
he actually has such a life that he has made negative posts
If you really read this blog all the time you would know how the point system works since Brian made it pretty clear (at least for those who can, you know, read and comprehend said reading) how it works.
We need the Coner to make a FAIL rap vid and have a button on each post in which we can easily insert it when necessary, i.e. now.
I was commenting more on the QB play. If you watch the spring game from last year it's pretty brutal. Obviously it's hard to say anything for sure since really that clip only shows the highlights and mostly from an offensive perspective.
But compared to what we were watching at this time last year this looks much better. Epinion.
I think Salma Hayek would date me, if she would only return my emails.
What else is Sheridan supposed to think? He will probably get a little bit of playing time, and although he played poorly last year, I give him a lot of credit for working hard, improving his game, and mentoring the freshmen. Kudos to Sheridan.
you can put as much stock in what a guy says who wants to start. i can't believe I have to actually say this to you, but it's not Sheridan's decision - it's Rich Rodriguez's.
Enjoy the descent.
step aside everybody, cool guy passing through.
It's entirely possible that Sheridan starts on Sept 5. But don't pretend this decision has been made or that your some genius for seeing it coming.
well, buddy, rich rodrgiguez told sheridan he was starting
No he did not.
You, sir, are a moron.
Feagin thought he was going to start too.
Let's wait until the first game before figuring out if it's going to be another long year. I find it hard to believe that someone can make a judgment on a team's success based off a 3 minute video of a scrimmage, especially since the video only showed THE HIGHLIGHTS.
I went to the Minnesota public scrimmage yesterday at their new stadium and sat through 4 12 minute quarters. MIKE COX is a better running back, now, than anything the Lolphers have (and Cox is currently 5th on the depth chart).
All in all, there is no comparison with the talent levels at the two schools. The Lolphers have maybe 4 guys (QB Weber - MAYBE, WR Decker, DE McKinley, and DB Simmons) who would start for Michigan right now.
Have faith in Michigan.
from Weber to Decker?
Have to admit, that looked pretty nice.
As did the stadium.
Right on regarding the running game.
It looked very slow and ineffective.
I almost don't even want to say it for fear of jinxing him, but Carlos Brown looked ridiculously good in those highlights.
How dare you risk waking the Angry Carlos-Brown's-Entire-Body-Hating Gods?
The last thing we need is bad luck. Quick, throw some salt over your right shoulder.
(But I agree... he looked really good.)
I also get the gut feeling we are going to have huge swings from good to bad - bad to good. The balance of those will determine 3 wins or 6.
Setting the bar pretty low then?
I want to see the defense at full speed. I want to see that their positioning is better, angles are better and no more arm tackles, put a shoulder on somebody and wrap up. If those things are happening I'll be very happy.
The camera shots were very tight, hard to tell if the D was reading the plays correctly.
Still, good to see some game style action.
The defensive players tackling looked awful, albeit it is a scrimmage and it was second and third team defenders..Denard looks very serviceable, although his release is a bit corky..he throws a good ball..im sure we will see Tate start Sept. 5 but Denard will play as well..
Denard's release on short passes looks weird. But I don't know how much we can say about the D from 3 minutes of highlights. Usually highlights don't show players getting tackled by the first defender.
The Tate/Denard debates and the apparent softness of the defense should be taken with a grain of salt here, a la Weapon of Choice. There's a whole lot we don't get to see in these short highlights. For example, a slight mention that goes unnoticed unless you're really paying attention, but they say that Tate gets the offense into the end zone on his second drive--i.e., the defense was able to stop one of his drives that but it isn't really shown. There were 125 plays in this scrimmage, there were probably somewhere around 50 or so that contributed to scoring drives (that we were shown/heard about). That will be all.
The book was much better than the video of practice.
After watching the video, I'm really excited about how much depth we have in our offensive skill positions. We're going to constantly rotate in fresh legs and be making plays all over the field. Very exciting.
Based on limited, flimsy evidence off the various highlight videos and what RR has said, I think Sheridan will be the starter on Sept 5. To me, he looks the smoothest and most comfortable with everything around him. No question both Tate and Denard have more talent and will likely play more than Sheridan as the year goes on, but I believe RR will go with experience to start the first game.
All of them are going to play in that first game, and the week two starter will likely be determined based off who plays the best in the western game. I dont think anyone should be concerned if Sheridan starts game 1.
Sheridan is not starting. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play at all. He might only play if Tate and Denard play poorly or we are up big. If he does it will most likely only be for one series. I don't know if we want 3 QBs playing in one game. We're not the Lions.
He said that as of right now he thought all three qbs would play against Western. I dont want them all playing either, but it looks like they are going to. I still think based on what I have seen (very limited) and heard, that Sheridan starts. Either way he is going to be in sometime in the first half.
QB situation obviously looks a lot better than last year, including Sheridan.
Defense looks bad; tackling looks awful.
What hasn't been said yet?
that stuffing a run for a yard or 2 is pretty damn good defense, but it isnt something that you would show on a highlight video.
Defensive players' good plays aren't allowed to appear in the highlights?
I disagree that this would not show up on a highlight video, only because we've seen this in previous highlight videos.
We'll see come September 5th.
From the highlights all three of the quaterbacks look good. Hopefully other than those highlights the defense played solid, on the plays they showed we still had issues tackling.
Tate looks the most polished of the QBs, IMO... and Denard's shoelaces appear to be tied? They certainly are not dangling around...maybe he tapes them down or something...
We are going to have the fastest player on the field at some points this season and it is going to be our QB. Very Strange, very very different.
...is sounding suspisciously like "truthitis" from mlive.....
You may be the only one who gives a shit. Let it go Tater, even with the South Florida Posse you caint defeat the trolls.
Tate deep pass to Matthews in the end zone. I love it.
Even the Coner was rolling out.
Turner catching Odoms from behind was nice, he had a good angle but the kids also got some wheels.
faster than I had anticipated. I think we're gonna shock some teams/analysts with our speed. Not only that but the hands looked better. Again, I know these were "highlights", but a lot of the passes completed in them would not have been made last year.
I agree 100% about Cox - a total beast.
Tate's pump fake and bomb were a sight to behold.
Oh, and on the weird throwing motion for Denard. All you need to do at the college level is have a mediocre throwing arm and killer speed to trick defenses. Lure them with the possibility of scramble and toss it over their heads to the wide open receiver/back. It worked for Meyer and Tebow at Florida, it can work for us. Good news for us is that the Big Ten is slower on defense than the SEC. Again, let me make sure that was read correctly..."on defense". The Big Ten is consistently on par with SEC offensive speed (i.e. remember Ted Ginn, wish I could forget Benn, and Pryor just ran an electronic-timed 4.38 40...now Denard is on the list, too.)
All I care about is that we don't make it an obvious "Cooper'esque" two-QB rotation. Everyone knew Stan Jackson was more a runner than passer and Germaine the deep threat. If we do that with our QBs we'll be screwed.
seeing this video gets me so pumped for this season. I hope we keep this up and become the suprise team in the Big Ten
I definately agree. I think we will put up a solid season and catch some teams off gaurd when were playing them. Hopefully ND is one of them and Ohio State