... about Stoney:
... about Stoney:
I stand corrected. Looks like he's really let himself go after losing his gig with Wojo. Wearing those '70s-era shorts doesn't help things, either. Ghastly.
Damn Stoney blew up. Stoney is a nice guy and fairly impartial being from Philly and all. I've always thought Stoney was one of the best on sports talk.
Marvin robinson on Gardner. Bad idea to throw it.
By denard was a legit running TD. Looks like the main CBs have been 12, 18, 14, 24 and 23. Denard just had a nice 20 yard completition.
So Floyd, Rodgers, Jones, Christian, and Floyd Simmons for those still learning numbers.
Besides knowing who was playing CB, did any of them look good, or at least not bad?
Rogers is in the mix.. would be nice to have an upperclassman step it up in this situation.
edit: too quick, so I'll change what I had to say...
Teric Jones and Floyd Simmons are both listed as safeties, FWIW. Possible conversion sans Woolfolk
RR just said the other day that it would only be defensive guys getting moved around... I'm not saying you're wrong, but I definitely remember him saying that.
Both of those guys are defensive guys already. Jone splayed CB last year and was listed as a safety this year. He's just being moved back to corner.
So no offensive guys are moving........
Simmons was not playing corner; he was bandit or spur; can't actually remember which.
what we are hearing here it sounds like shoelace is the man to beat and he has had himself a heck of a day.
We have three good quarterbacks.
...he hoped people wouldn't be giving out all their information at the scrimmage today?
I'd be much more worried if people were giving out the plays ran instead of the players playing.
Just that next time there's an OUTRAGE: WHO WOULD LEAK THAT?!?!....remember Rich specifically asked for it not to happen....and those that are most loyal created a whole thread about it. Glass Houses.
I agree guys there shouldn't discuss plays and formations, but there is no harm in saying Denard ran for a TD or Rogers was playing CB
I'm sure Rich is smart enough to treat it like a spring game, not really showing anything (which is why he's probably pissed wasting a practice doing this). And play by play isn't that bad.
But in theory, analysis like "Denard looked so much better than Tate, he got all the reps, he's obviously the starter" kind of removes the image of what Rich is trying to do...make it look like it's wide open. While Lloyd used to wait all the time to announce to keep the first team guessing, really, all his players played the same way, so it didn't matter that much. There's a real tactical distinction in preparing for Denard or Tate, because they run the same system, but their abilities are very different. So, making U-Conn prepare for both IS a tactical advantage which wastes their time.
But do I think it's going to have a big effect? No.
An opposing coach could just get the same info by having an intern join one of the pay sites. If you don't know Denard's probably going to start you haven't been paying attention.
The fumbles worry me, unless they were caused by big hits from the defense. Can someone shed some light on that?
Bad handoff exchange from Devin to Shaw on one, the other was a big hit on Vincent Smith.
You may be right, and I agree with that conjecture, but we still need to wait to get into the season a bit to say X is too good not be the starter. The coaches will play the guys that will make Michigan win.
This is typical fan talk. You need a qb who can execute the offense, read defenses, take care of the ball, pass accurately, improvise when the play breaks down. Denard may be that but if he underthrows the bubble screen on 1st down and gets 2 yds instead of 8 then misreads the defense on 2nd down and leaves us 3rd and 9 the d will spy him and he'll get nothing when he bails and runs and all the electricity will result in a punt.
teams keyed on Denard's running ability all of last year, yet he still averaged 5 yards a carry, I wouldn't worry about him picking up first downs, whether it be from the pocket or on the run, like some say, if he's just an "adequate passer" his running threat moves up exponentially. It's been cited that RR's offense at WVU worked best when it was two parts run and one part pass, and with a skilled runner like DR, I doubt you're throwing a bubble screen on first down. Try read option 5+ yards, quick slant to Roundtree, first down, then it's Denard to the house...or something along those lines.
I'm bullish on Denard, but I'm not sure if his stats from last season really tell us much. Yes, he averaged 5.1 yards per carry on the season, but over half his yards came against the three worst teams on our schedule (WMU, EMU and Del St.). In those three games he rushed 20 times for 188 yards (9.4 ypc). Against the other nine opponents he rushed 49 times for 163 yards (3.3 ypc). What this tells me is that even a crazy-fast guy like him needs to be able to pass to keep defenses honest.
I can't wait to see Denard play. I just hope that he wins the job from Day 1. I think he'll be the starter by the end of the season anyway, so I'd rather have him get as many snaps as possible against the scrub OOC games. Hopefully Tate is OK with that, his family history doesn't bode well for him accepting the backup role though.
He has to throw the ball. Tate was, is, and always will be the better thrower. To Me that always trumps the better runner at the qb position but maybe thats just me.
Your argument is invalid.
Is he backing up Chad Henne this year?
but only because the Miami Dolphins don't run the zone read.
Yeah, but that's one guy and he's an awesome passer. Trepps said the better passer is always the better quarterback. Pat White wasn't a great passer, but he was a great college quarterback.
Pat White Freaky Friday style every time he goes to throw.
You saw Freaky Friday?
My initial response may have been on the douchie side, and for that I'm sorry. I blame the 5 Oberons. From everything I've read, witnessed and dreamed, DR seems to have greatly improved his passing (at least enough to keep D's honest). I think this fact, when factored in with his dynamic running ability, make him a great weapon to use in RR's spread as a QB. To just "go with the guy who's the better passer" without taking into account what DR brings to the table I thought was wrong.
It doesn't really matter though. I'm not Rich Rodriguez and it's not my decision. I'm just happy we're picking nits about which QB is better as opposed to which QB has fewer problems.
"It doesn't really matter though. I'm not Rich Rodriguez and it's not my decision. I'm just happy we're picking nits about which QB is better as opposed to which QB has fewer problems."
It's a good problem to have, that's for sure.
i understand what your point is, but tate did have a 40 yd TD run against ND last year. juked the LB out of his shoes. i'm just hopeful that DRob has improved so much that we have 2 very competent QBs now.
His point was that Tate is incompetent, but merely that Denard is probably better suited for this style of offense because of all of his assets. I personally think that we can win with either of the two. However if DR's passing is as most have advertised, his running ability makes him the most dangerous of the two.
Wrong thread, meant the "RichRod Rumors" thread...
Any ban on texts about the scrimmage. I know photos were banned. I didn't mention any plays, but if this is aprpblem at all, MODS PLEASE DELETE
strategy and play breakdowns are the likely concerns, not "oh he just scored." pictures are another thing bc they capture formations, especially with the defense.
According to stoney
I heard that Austin white quit team or was booted
He started out on WTKA back in the mid-90s, and back then (as now with Webb & Co) provided the absolute best in UM football coverage of anyone in Detroit-area broadcast sports media. He made no attempt to hide the fact that he went to MSU, but his loyalty to UM was absolutely clear even back then.
RR did say he was going to keep things pretty vanilla, and maybe he meant on both sides of the ball. That's what I'm telling myself... I think we're looking at a lot of 42-39 games this year. It'll be "exciting."
As long as it's 2009 UM-ND exciting, and not 2009 UM-MSU exciting, I think I am ok with that.
As long as we improve enough from last year to turn those close losses into close victories, I'm completely fine with it for 2010.
Just finish with a 8-5 or 7-6 ish record, keep your job, and get ready to unleash hell in 2011 with all that experience on offense. Please, for the love of all things maize and blue, rich, please.
Now that we seem to have a 3rd servicable QB, I still wouldn't mind seeing Denard in the slot on occasion. Double passes from the slot to WRs who 'miss' their blocks could be fun.