As I go through the positions for scouting reports each week, I reached defensive end . . . and I figured I would start off the DE position with everyone's favorite recruit, Da'Shawn Hand. Since Michigan is in his top five, he's a legitimate player for Michigan fans to follow. It's hard to imagine anyone beating him out for the #1 spot in 2014. The kid is a beast, and he supposedly spent quite a bit of time playing nose guard because that's where his team needed him, so he's versatile and a team-first guy.
Scouting Report: Da'Shawn Hand
Looks like a new BKFinest/Raback. What sayeth The_Knowledge?
But is he any good?
better hope this kid can add some weight...
I'm sure with a college strength and conditioning program, there's no way in hell that he can add weight. He will probably be 245 lbs. forever and ever.
SAM it is.
you think with another 45 lbs hes gonna be as explosive? Awesome player just his size is a concern at DE. Hes the size of a LB.
Those elite programs also can recruit 25+ kids every year and afford to whiff on kids because they have talent already and depth.
If the only "elite" teams you're talking about are Alabama and, um, Alabama, then sure. There are other elite programs around the country, like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, etc. who don't recruit 35 guys per class.
Michigan isn't elite right now. Getting there but not an elite team. Yeah I know I'm gonna get negged but I'm bein honest.
Did I say Michigan was an elite program?
Yeah your previous post.
"If the only "elite" teams you're talking about are Alabama and, um, Alabama, then sure. There are other elite programs around the country, like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, etc. who don't recruit 35 guys per class."
Point out the word "Michigan" for me please...
Um.. Did you mean Minny? Or Montana or Maryland or Missouri ?
He meant "um" as in "um.....what are you doing with your hands in your pants at a junior high football game."
I didn't say 35 I said 25. The kids good I just don't want another anchor at DE. So here's to hoping he can add weight and stay as athletic. I can't stand our DLine recruiting the last 5 years it's awful. There are zero play makers.
If you don't want Hand to drag down our defensive line, then who is better in the 2014 class? Michigan's defensive line recruiting in the past five years includes Frank Clark, Ondre Pipkins, and several guys who have yet to see the field (Strobel, Wormley, Henry, etc.). I think it's too early to judge them. If you're talking about the defensive line recruiting of the Rodriguez years, that's one thing...but that has very little to do with what's going on with current Michigan recruiting.
6'4", 245 lbs. is the size of a linebacker? What high school junior linebacker do you know of that is 6'4" and 245? There aren't many.
Taylor Lewan was small for offensive tackle. Craig Roh was small for a defensive end. They're now about 310 and 280 lbs., respectively.
Lewan was slightly a project. Craig Roh is awful and is hand is Craig Roh then go recruit someone who can actually get pressure
The point went completely over your head.
The point is those guys were small coming out of high school. They're not now.
Damontre Moore was 227 lbs. coming out of high school. Dion Jordan was 215 lbs. Both are now projected to be first round picks at defensive end. They have added 23 and 28 pounds, respectively. If you add that much weight to Hand, you've got about a 270 lb. defensive end. Where's the problem?
No it didn't Roh got slow and awful. Lewan is a tackle and doesn't need the same elite quickness not to mention has a larger frame to distribute weight.
Michigans D-like recruiting has been guys who won't be elite pass rushers. Clark might be able to round out to an average big ten DE. Mario might be able to if he can add weight but that's it. No one else on that roster is gonna be able to put pressure from the edge and command a double team. A great pass rusher can totally alter a teams game plan. Everything would become more effective. If you say hand is elite and will be that guy I trust you. I didn't know that most of the top DE's now were his size in high school. This is more of me frustrated with not getting someone who's a great pass rusher/ an athletic DE. Teams set the edge on us so easily it's pathetic.
It's really tough to double-team weakside ends, unless you run double tight formations or always help out with a back. Not many guys command that kind of attention.
They at least command a back to chip or a TE but he's not just an after thought like oh here's a warm body on the DLine. Yeah I know it's tough to dbl team guys like that but a guy who alters game plans is better than just a warm body attempting to push people around.
Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail... Fail. Might want to sit this one out DirtyD
Wrong it's a matter of opinions not logic. If it were a black and white answer than yeah I would say you're correct but that ain't gon happen
Except your opinion is not a good one. At all. You are basically telling us that everyone in America is wrong and you are correct. All of those colleges that offered are wrong because they are taking a flier on the best player in high school and you are right because you evaluate high school football regularly?
- No I never said he wasnt good I said I hope he can add weight. That was all. My opinion is fine. He is fine right now in high school but undersized if he were in college. Thats my opinion. I knew a ton of kids who couldnt add weight playing hockey and never could go very far because they were too small. It happens a lot.
- Me getting Mangus all angry is another thing thats just fun to me
A kid in my class in high school wrestled senior year at 215 and finished college as a DE around 255 and was able to run down Drew Stanton from behind in a sprint down the sideline. So yes, I do think DEs retain explosion while putting on 45 lbs.
Love this picture.
Either you forgot to add /s or you haven't done your homework.
Looking at some of the top DE's coming out of high school the past 5 years:
2009 - Okafor - reported by scout as 6'5", 229, 4.67 40
2010 - Powell - reported by rivals as 6'4", 230, 4.53 40
2011 - Clowney - reported by scout as 6'6", 235, 4.6 40
2012 - Spence - reported by scout as 6'3", 240
Nkemdiche is the biggest of the bunch at reportedly 6'5", 260, 4.7 40
So if all we're talking about is measuables, Hand is right in line with top DE's across the board - and the guys on the list here have done just fine so far.
Okafor isn't the highest rated DE in the draft but could sneak into the 1st round. Powell tore his ACL in the spring, otherwise might be in the draft. Clowney is being talked about as someone who should declare for the draft. Spence got some PT as a true freshman at the worst school ever. Nkemdiche probably got some money, not included in a Twitter pic.
Meh. Get an Oregon offer and then I'll consider him a legitimate BCS prospect.
We've got his favorite coaching staff, so I like our chances.
Life would be amazing if he could just call up Ferns and order himself a t-shirt.
Come to UM where you'll practically have 3 dline coaches
Don't think it needs its own post but wanted to give you a heads up if you hadn't heard that Gedeon hurt his shoulder in the 1/27 Hudson basketball game against Youngstown and has been out since. No official word here locally on the severity of the injury but the bball coach said he hopes to have Ben back for the playoffs.
Given that Gedeon was far and away the best basketball player on the team and Hudson is currently ranked highly they definitely want him back. I've asked locally if he's sitting out just to play it safe for football next year or is he really hurt and everybody's tight-lipped.
Didn't know if you knew this or not.
I had heard about it when he got injured, but I hadn't heard an update in a couple weeks. Hopefully everything heals up well.
As much as I'd love to see this beautiful beast in Maize and Blue, I won't let myself get excited knowing the probable heartbreak when he takes the SEC payout. Ole Mi$$ probably has this kid on speed dial by now...
Here is Video where Hand says Bud Foster is his favorite coach and Michigan is his favorite coaching staff.
Gotta say, Hand looks bookish in this video, would never look at him and say, "oh yeah, he looks like the top football player in the country".
My son knows one of Hand's best friends (who played football with him). I can tell you Hand is nothing like the stereotypical jock you probably have in mind.
One of the best anecdotes I can share with you is Hand's excitement over every offer he gets. My son's friend said he remembers one day where he got offered by Frostburg State (a small school in Maryland) and he was genuinely excited. Mind you, by this point he already had Bama/VT offers.
As for the whole bookish thing, I believe he's taking like 4 months off of his recruitment right now to focus on school. Which should give you an idea..
Sounds like a great kid. I love the idea of getting players that we can call student-athletes without smirking. Hope like hell he goes blue.
The fact that this kid is not yourt normal #1 overall recruit freak athelete is probably Michigan's biggest advantage. Hand seems like a kid who really means it when he says Academics are very important. I think the staff can really appeal to him with that. I heard somewhere he wants to do engineering. If that is the case, it could come down to UM-VT for him.
Thank you for the read, Magnus! Would love to see him in Maize and Blue.
Magnus, if you did have to nitpick about Hand's weaknesses, what would you say?
You can go through plays and nit-pick things - angles, steps, hand placement, etc. - but they're not consistent enough to really be "weaknesses." You know, Kobe Bryant is a great basketball player, but that doesn't prevent him from making a bad pass once in a while, getting beaten off the dribble occasionally, etc. Nobody's perfect.
"Weaknesses: Anything I put here would be totally nit-picking"
That made me chuckle, but it seems like this is the case between the review and the film available. He holds an offer from basically 1/4 of Dvision I schools, if I counted right. Scout summarized his stats for this past season, and they do sound nice:
"Hand finished the season with 110 tackles, 16 sacks, 40 tackles for loss, two pass deflections, four forced fumbles, and three fumble recoveries."
Aloha Mr. Hand...
We must sign Hand so that our fan base can get credit for making "Spicoli" into a verb. Like, in describing a bone-jarring hit on an opposing QB, we can say "Mr. Hand spicolied him."
Would be neat.
But, the first half of this thread was hilarious.
Magnus what would his TTB rating be now?
If he's the best player at his position, then his TTB Rating would likely be 100.
I just figured I'd bump this up, since it's relevant today...
...and a site search for "Mangus" turned up this thread, coincidentally.