So Cornwell is the guy then? I ask because it seems like he also has the most interest in us. Is there anything more the coaches need to do before offering? They have met and seen tape on everyone at this point, I believe.
Scouting Report: 2014 Quarterbacks
The vibe I'm getting is that the coaches like Cornwell the most, too. But maybe he's just got a good relationship with the Michigan recruiting services, who are hyping it up a little too much. You never know.
Regardless, I don't know that there's much more for the coaches to do at this point. I believe they've concluded their evaluations of their top prospects on this list, so it seems like they're in wait-and-see mode. Supposedly, they're going to sit down as a staff and deliberate this week. All the coaches will be back in town for National Signing Day on Wednesday, so that seems like an opportune time to make a final decision on whom they want.
enemy strongholds before, but wouldn't Cornwell be a strong Oklahoma target as he hails from Norman? Don't get me wrong- nothing is more satisfying than poaching a top recruit from a competitor's own town- but if we really want this kid, we'll have to lead him out of the Sooner / Longhorn Black Hole.
That's addressed below, but there seems not to be much mutual interest between Cornwell and Oklahoma.
The state of Oklahoma is really deep at QB this year. Between Cornwell, Key (mentioned in the article) and Justice Hansen of Edmond Santa Fe, OU has a number of targets. Since Hansen already holds an OU offer and is being recruited by Josh Heupel, that leads me to believe he's their favorite.
Edit: my bad, DGDestroys has the same info later on in the post
I doubt Michigan takes two quarterbacks unless something happens to Gardner, Bellomy, and/or Morris. The coaches don't seem interested in having 4 or 5 quarterbacks on the roster, or else they would have taken a QB in 2012. That was the first time in 14 years (IIRC) that Michigan did NOT take a quarterback, and it seems to have been by design.
I thought we did offer 2012 QBs, but when the top choices didn't commit, the staff decided to not reach for a lesser prospect.
Well, they did offer some of the better quarterbacks in the country (I've never seen Michigan completely ignore any position except specialists), but there were some decent options that they chose not to pursue. They only offered eight guys total, and a couple of them weren't pursued very hard (they stopped recruiting Bennie Coney, they eventually told Devin Fuller they only wanted him as a DB, etc). I'm sure more than eight guys will turn into successful college quarterbacks, so I think they could have widened their search a little bit.
Didn't Henderson say that we'd be his favorite if we offered? If I'm remembering that correctly, he's obviously very interested too.
I haven't seen him say that Michigan would be THE favorite if they offered, but he has already named Michigan one of his leaders...
Fixed. Thanks. Yeah, Burke is his hometown...
Your list got me thinking about recruiting sites and what there super early thoughts are. Scout has Henderson ranked as 3rd best QB. Rivals doesn't have a full list, but Henderson, Cornwell are both early 4-stars. In your opinion who do we have the best shot at? One of the guys in your top 3 would be great, but I imagine O'Connor will be tough to pull from Florida let alone SEC country.
Side question on the QB subject: why do you think a lot of QBs commit so early in the process? Is it mainly because most schools generally only take 1 and are more selective with the offers?
I think Wiegers would have the most interest in committing on the spot. Of the top three guys on my list, I feel like Cornwell has shown the most interest. O'Connor keeps moving south (from Canada to Tennessee to Florida), so yeah, I feel like he might be SEC-bound. He and his family seem to think that the football is better as you go farther south, which is probably pretty accurate, considering all the SEC national championships in recent years...
Quarterbacks commit early for a couple reasons. First of all, a lot of the good ones start getting offers really early in the recruiting process. Since you often put your best athlete at QB and they're the most visible players on the team, they're a little easier to see early than receivers. Secondly, quarterbacks are groomed to be leaders, so they often want to commit early and then recruit other guys (like Shane Morris did). Third, as you mention, teams are selective and only take one or two guys. At some point in the late spring, you'll probably see the dominos start to fall - when Recruit #1 commits to Alabama, then Recruit #2 will commit to Florida, then Recruit #3 will commit to Texas, and so on down the line. (Those teams are chosen sort of randomly and it won't be that linear, but you get the point.) If these guys don't commit early, they're stuck with lowly options. If an offensive lineman or a linebacker waits until January or February, there are still spots remaining at most schools.
I really hope we take 2 Qb's this year. Not likely but it would be the smart thing to do.
Thank you for the distraction. Albeit it only distracted me long enough to drop the kids at the pool.
Thanks Magnus. Who do you think would fit best with Hoke's style offense? I feel like it's Henderson after reading your post. I'm also interested in seeing if Loeffler at VT is a serious threat to recruiting the same quarterbacks.
Well, the players are listed in order of how well I think they would fit at Michigan. However, I do really like Henderson's abilities. I wasn't that high on him earlier in the process, but his junior tape is pretty impressive. Any of the first three are guys I think would be very good fits. The next couple are guys who could work out in a few years. The guys toward the bottom of the list just don't seem like good matches.
you say that henderson doesn't hav the best arm strength. From junior year in high school to we'll say a soph in college, what kind of increase in arm strenght do most QBs see from an increase max yardage throw and max velocity standpoint?
Arm strength is not something that improves very significantly. You either have it or you don't. He has a good enough arm to succeed; it's just not as strong as someone like Morris or Cornwell.
That is something that may well be generally true, but a lot of the research that has gone on in biomechanical research in kines labs and the like is starting to be incorporated usefully into training regimens. Given access to that kind of thing, athletic guys with quarterback stature and a feel for throwing are candidates for velocity gains.
Not saying Borges is that sort of guy, but I would imagine that as the throwing programs that are starting to proliferate in baseball trickle into football that the pool for quarterbacks will grow.
Who knows what reports are accurate? A couple weeks ago I heard Cornwell was the man, but last weekend it looked like Henderson was getting the most attention from Borges. Henderson mentioned that Borges is expecting a commitment on spot from whatever QB is offered. I have to say that I'm kind on the Cornwell bandwagon. On a side note, if Borges does go with Cornwell we might have an idea of what he thinks the proto typical quarterback should look like. Morris and Cornwell have some similarities: black hair, 6 foot something, white, and athletic build. It could be Borges view of his perfect race haha
If Borges himself is any indication, I think his ideal QB would be Jared Lorenzen.
The Hefty Lefty will never be forgotten!
I was looking at it from the perspective of the Hitler Youth. Hitler believed that blonde hair and blue eyes were the perfect race and he was none of those. So, that would be Borge's outlook on quarterbacks.
Now that I think about it, even Russell Bellomy fits the mold that I was talking about earlier.
I'm sure you were just being "funny," but it's never a good idea to mention people or events from Germany that happened from about 1937-1945 on a blog that tries to stay classy most of the time.
Grow up and quit being so uptight.
I know this is in jest, but he was pretty damn good
Obviously has bald hair.
Bald hair. Can you also "wake up dead?"
Morris has black hair? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think you suffer from the rare black brown color blindness.
Would you say Alabama is our biggest threat for Cornwell?
Honestly, it's really difficult to say who the biggest threat(s) would be without the offers to back it up. Hell, Michigan isn't even a legitimate threat to Indiana right now, because the Hoosiers have offered and we haven't. It doesn't really matter if he likes Alabama if they never offer him. However, Alabama is a huge threat for just about any prospect.
It looks like Michigan isn't the only team to be holding back on offering QB's. None of these guys had offers from the Alabama's and USC's of the world. Is this year's QB crop just that much lower than the average class?
Yeah, this is not considered to be a bumper crop of quarterbacks in 2014.
Not knocking on Shane - I think he will be a very good QB and leader for Michigan football - what if the only QB recruit turns out to be very average? With one season to go for the 2014 class, coaches have two years of films to study and they probably feel they have much better grip on how good the kids are.
know who else is just average.......aj mcarron, worked out well for bama
McCarron was Rivals' #7 quarterback behind Barkley, Aaron Murray, and Tajh Boyd (and a few others who haven't accomplished much).
USC already has David Sills in the bag for 2015...not a good example
From Palo Alto.
You're talking about Jayru Campbell from Cass Tech.
Michigan seems to offer most prospects from Cass Tech, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets an offer...but Michigan's coaches supposedly aren't sold on him yet. It's tough for inner-city kids to get good quarterback coaching.
But not receiver coaching, right?
Your post is incomplete. The coaches at MICH have contacted me about possibly playing QB for U of M. WHY I NO IN YER POST??? (that sounds kinda dirty, just the way we like it.)
I feel like having the last name of "Jihad" would be a P.R. nightmare. That's probably your biggest issue.
Yeah, Alabama and Notre Dame have both offered.
Was it not speculated that--as well as make an addition to their class--Alabama and Notre Dame also offered to make some in-roads Cass Tech? Similar to what we did with Reschke?
EDIT: switched from MGoApp to the computer and what do you know, I'm 3 hours behind. See DGDestroys below for original point. Sorry DG.
LOL, commenting on a recruiting forum acting like you don't know the name of Jayru Campbell or are unsure of where he plays. Its ok dude, we are all junkies here you dont have to be ashamed
When offers are that far off in the future, especially from a school like 'Bama, it could be more to get a foot in the door than anything else.
Especially with a kid like Jayru, who is far away from reaching his potential. We'll see if 'Bama still recruits him in 2 years or not.
I thought the kid from Brother Rice looked better than the kid from Cass as far as 2015 QB's go. Definitely throws a nicer looking pass IMO
Is it just me or does Cornwell have gigantic hands?
But watching him reminds me of Ben Rothlisberger when he was at Miami (OH)...I'll take it.
I just watched regular YouTube highlights of Wiegers and O'Conner as well.
Wiegers looks like Kirk Cousins to me. O'Connor looks like Landry Jones with a weaker arm.
From simply YouTube videos...
I think we have to get one of the top 2. Not saying the other two are bad at all. I'd welcome any of the 4.
O'Connor's a much better runner than Landry Jones.
In my opinion 2014 recruiting will be the true test of how good this staff is at recruiting.
In 2012 the uncertainty at Ohio State helped us land a lot of good Ohio prospects and the coaches did a nice job of pulling kids from some other places.
2013 seemed to just all fall together perfectly. The coaches got an early commitment from a top tier QB who was also a lifelong Michigan fan and he really put his recruiting hat on for us and the Dominos started falling for us that weekend of the basketball game last February. The coaches also did a great adding some other players down the road.
2014 will be the true test. There are 2 elite in state prospects( Harris, Mcdowell) both garnering national attention and both of them seem open to exploring their options. The third best prospect, Damon Webb, was of course already lost to OSU. Ohio has some good kids once again, but Ohio State is strong right now so it will be a battle for the top kids in Ohio. With this class seemingly looking smaller than the previous two and the midwest looking a little slim on elite talent the coaches have their work cut out for them to lock up a high quality class.
Yeah whatever are we going to do without Shane Morris as our recruiting coordinator... Come on man. That's ridiculous. Players don't come to a school because of one player. Shane helped promote a family atmosphere but thats about it. If you need another year to judge Hoke's recruiting ability you haven't been paying attention.
I have been paying plenty attention, and I call it like I see it. Please identify one statement that I made that is not true. There is no doubt that Hoke is a good recruiter. The question is, is he a great one? Thats what I want to know, and I believe 2014 will be the year we find out. Our class this year(other than Derrick Green) is dominated by Midwest prospects. Hoke will have to land multiple kids from outside of the midwest footprint next year in order to achieve another top 10 recruiting class. The jury is still out on whether he can pull that off or not.
A while back there was a fair amount of analysis on this blog to the effect that Michigan's failure to effectively recruit the midwest in the late Tressel era was a major culprit in M's struggles since 2007. The main points were: (a) taking a high-level recruit from the Midwest not only adds that player to your roster, but also keeps him off OSU, Penn St., ND, etc.; and (b) going outside the region to get players may help your own roster but also leaves more quality recruits for teams like MSU, Wisc., et al.
I'm not against recruiting nationally, but dominating (or at least getting our fair share of) the midwest is more important.
Does OU have any interest in Cornwell?
I've read that there's not much mutual interest.
There are 3 really good '14 QBs in Oklahoma. Key and Cornwell are both supposedly a little bit behind a kid named Justice Hansen, and he's the one the Sooners are pursuing.
BTW, Hansen was just offered this weekend.
Assume he is a year younger given 2015 class originally. His technique is probably slowed by weak coaching/competition for years (a reason for moving to the South) and his low weight indicates strength limits at this stage.
He has a ton of upside if he gets 3 yrs of S&C and technique work, but right now Cornwell seems the most ready.
Cornwell and Speight yesterday. IMO Cornwell has a very strong arm and has very good pocket awareness. But the thing I like most about his video is his ability to get out of the pocket and throw accurately on the run with zip on the ball. He is a big kid and his throwing motion is very good. He is strong and stands in the pocket without happy feet. He can shrug off tackles because if his size and get outside to throw.
Speight has decent arm strength and is pretty big also. When you watch his tape you'll see that he lobs the ball a lot and doesn't throw the ball with that straight line zip you like to see. He is mobile and can throw on the run but still doesn't throw the ball very fast.
I think Cornwell has the best potential. I haven't had the opportunity to watch video on Henderson. But Cornwell looks pretty good. IMO.
I see you compared Henderson to Tate.
Can you do that for all of these guys in terms of playing style?
Natually, people are going to what whichever compared player is the best...but I'm speaking of STRICTLY playing style.
For example, I think the ideal QB for our offense is an Andrew Luck type QB...now of course someone is going to say "who wouldn't want Luck." But what I mean is a smart QB, a coach on the field, someone who is accurate and make NFL type reads and someone who can escape the pocket and extend plays with his legs.
I threw in player comparisons where I saw fit (Kizer throws like Byron Leftwich, Henderson plays like Drew Tate, Stewart plays like John Navarre, etc.). I don't necessarily see comparables in every player.
One more question...is Drew Barker not being recruited by Michigan? He seems like at least a kid of interest.
I would think Michigan would be more interested, considering the proximity and Barker's talent. But I haven't really heard a whole lot of buzz between the two parties.
Good thing Henderson has like 2-3 inches on Tate
How does this change if Cornwell can't play his senior season due to eligibility issues? http://m.newsok.com/high-school-football-norman-norths-david-cornwell-wo...
I've heard that he's likely to get the waiver. And even if he doesn't...missing his senior year would put him in almost the same boat as Shane Morris. The early graduation would help, since he would be able to participate in spring practices.
Has Michigan ever signed a player from Oklahoma? I can't remember one.
We have not signed a kid from Oklahoma in the age of Rivals (since 2002).
However, that's mainly because Oklahoma doesn't normally have much talent, and the little they do have gets sucked up by OSU, OU, and Texas most of the time.
Che' Foster was from Oklahoma. He's the only guy I remember.
Well, it makes sense that if we had a player from Okalahoma, it would be in that time-frame (after the great Barry Switzer OU teams and before Bob Stoops arrived).
have played for Michigan. Most recently Woodrow Hankins from 1992-96.
Also, if you don't mind a self-plug, this is that same geographic information used differently by yours truly, on the off chance anyone might be interested.
Very good analysis Magnus. I visit your website daily but rarely comment. Keep up the good work.
I think it'd be a huge disadvantage if we revert back to QBs who can't run. The game has changed, it's important to have a dual threat. We may not need to go as far as a Denard Type, but I really hope Devin Gardner's performance and style of play next year makes coaches re-think the statue QB, even if he can just scramble and have 5 or so designed runs per game.
If you look at a lot of the quarterbacks the coaches are pursuing/offering, many of them aren't mobile by any means, but definitely have some escapability to them.
I think recruiting has also changed a lot as well. There are still a number of "statue-quarterbacks" but a lot of good athletes play quarterback for their high school teams now too.
AJ McCarron is a pocket quarterback with limited running ability. Luck is known for his smarts, decision making and his arm more than his legs. The key is to fill the team with quality talent so the O-line can create holes, the RB can find them and extend plays, and your QB can make the pass to a receiver who can get open, catch the ball and create in space when the opportunity arises. In short, we need talent in all positions, and then we don't need a QB who can run like Denard.
I don't think it's important to have a dual threat. It's important to have a good quarterback, and it's important to design the offense properly around your quarterback.
The Super Bowl was between a pocket statue (Flacco) and a dual threat (Kaepernick). The statue won. The national championship game was between a pocket statue (McCarron) and a guy who can run a little bit (Golson), although not as well as Kaepernick. The statue won.
How were those two winning teams built? They're predicated on good defense and good running games, with passing offenses built around play action. Michigan seems well on its way toward building a traditionally strong defense and a strong running game. Of course, that's not the ONLY way to win games, but I think you're overly concerned.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: almost any system can work in college football, as long as you find the right personnel and develop it properly. The 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, spread option, I-formation, passing spread, triple option, etc. It all works, as long as you don't suck at it.
could potentially work out well here. Arm strength is a big plus, but I like to see kids who throw accurately. We've had guys here who had really strong arms but constantly threw the ball over receivers' heads. But, I like the size of all these guys, because they'll be able to see the field better. Hopefully, we'll be able to nab one of them before the music stops and they're all gone.
Accuracy is one of those things that's difficult to judge unless you see a guy in person. Highlights don't do a guy justice, because obviously, all the throws on a highlight film are going to be on target. You might catch glimpses of guys who throw passes behind guys or don't lead receivers perfectly, but that's about it. I also don't think completion percentage is very helpful, because some quarterbacks have great receivers and some quarterbacks have receivers with hands made of stone. That's why I mostly leave accuracy out of the equation when watching these guys, unless there's a particularly high number of accurate throws on the run, under pressure, etc.
Hey Magnus, You kow anything about 2015 Dewitt kid Jake Johnson? Seems to be getting some attention from Sparty..I know he's hoping for a M offer.
I've heard the name in a "Keep an eye out for this kid" context, but that's about it. I haven't seen any film of him.
Has Gardner definitely gotten his medical redshirt or when will we know
It hasn't been decided.
I'm excited to see who we might offer on Wednesday. It seems like getting your QB is the unofficial start of recruiting season for the next year. Obviously, we've been recruiting already and have Ferns committed, but getting the QB and past signing day seems to really add juice to the process. I expect a few "Hello" posts this month.
I do wonder if Bellomy is a viable long-term option. I'm not sure what happened to him this year or what his "issue" was, but I feel like QB depth is a real concern at this point, and I wouldn't be disappointed if our signing day surprise this year was a QB. I'm very excited about Shane, but I do think he'll need some time to develop, and I'm not sure Bellomy is a reliable back-up. Of course, it's highly doubtful we sign a second QB this year, but it wouldn't bother me at all.
From everything I've looked at and read, Cornwell seems to be the best fit. Missing a season of football would be a very bad thing, IMO, as there is no substitute for game experience. That said, I hope he's not playing until the 2015 season at the earliest, and that's a long way away.
Thanks. I agree on taking a second quarterback. I feel like Michigan is in a position where they can take "the best player available," and if that guy is a quarterback, then so be it. I don't know if Shane Morris would be happy about it, but I think he could handle a challenge.