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Schools Take a Bath on Bowl Invites

Interesting article from Dr Saturday about bowl payouts and the difficult situation it places schools, especially the schools whose fans don’t travel well.  UConn is getting hammered, holding $2.5 million in tickets it is obligated to sell.

It’s surprising that the power conferences don’t use their leverage to force the bowl games to give them a more equitable arrangement, especially with the real money coming from TV deals.  You’d think the Big 10 and the SEC, with their large, very interested fan bases, would at least be able to eliminate the required ticket sales and hotel rooms from their better tie-ins.

I'm also surprised schools choose to raise their costs so much by taking the 300 person band.  I understand tradition and all that, but it has to cost at least a million dollars just for them (out of a $3 million payday after revenue sharing).  They aren't going to sell enough Fiesta Bowl swag to make up for it.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:37 PM | I'd only want a shirt (Score:1)
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From a National Championship win.. who walks around wearing shirts of some stupid bowl that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. 

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:51 PM | Well... (Score:1)
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It is the shirt from UConn's first BCS bowl game. I'd say that's a pretty good collectible for their fans. 

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December 16th, 2010 at 6:29 PM | relax (Score:1)
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its just a t-shirt.

also, after the past two years, i will never take any sort of bowl trinket for granted again. 

*puts on orange bowl rain poncho*

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December 16th, 2010 at 8:07 PM | I'll take a 2012 Rose Bowl T-Shirt (Score:1)
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Sign me up.

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December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 PM | If (Score:1)
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If Michigan's basketball team made the Elite Eight or even the Final Four this year I'm pretty sure I'd buy a shirt... Something that probably won't happen too often, I'm sure UConn fans like it.

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December 16th, 2010 at 10:11 PM | I went to 2 Rose Bowls that M (Score:1)
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I went to 2 Rose Bowls that M played in, I bought a shirt both times, we won the national championship neither time.  In fact, we lost the Rose Bowl both times. 

Fuck you Pete Carroll.

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December 16th, 2010 at 10:34 PM | i've been to three myself.  (Score:1)
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i've been to three myself.  1986 - Loss after being up 15-0.  2004 - Loss after holding the ball forever but letting USC score in like 3 seconds and.......

1997 Baby.   The one to rule the all.  That one DID represent a national championship.

 

 

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December 16th, 2010 at 10:36 PM | I have several Meineke Bowl shirts (Score:1)
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I have taken my little boy and girl to it ever since she was 3.  We get a shirt every year and I hope in 15 years it means something still.  :)

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December 16th, 2010 at 10:37 PM | and we don't care who plays (Score:1)
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Except the year UConn went.  Then we HAD to cheer the puppies.  Little princess couldn't cheer for Wake Forest.   Bowls are for fun too. 

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:37 PM | I have been wondering how our (Score:1)
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I have been wondering how our sales have been. Hopefully a lot of people aupporting this great team, even during this time of turbulence.

Anyone know how to find this out?

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:38 PM | We beat those guys^^^^^^^^ (Score:1)
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I would bet we sell more tickets and paraphenalia at the Gator Bowl than UConn does at the Fiesta Bowl.

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:47 PM | I bet we do too, but most (Score:1)
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I bet we do too, but most schools lose money on their bowl games.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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December 16th, 2010 at 6:10 PM | I don't think this is true (Score:1)
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I don't think this is true for most BCS schools.  http://thegazette.com/2010/12/02/rose-bowl-opponent-could-cost-big-ten-serious-revenue/

Looks like each Big Ten team should take home over $2M after expenses have been paid.  It's the non-BCS schools that lose money on the bowl games, as well as schools like UConn who have no hope of selling their tickets to a BCS bowl.  

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December 16th, 2010 at 10:53 PM | Does anybody else find it (Score:1)
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Does anybody else find it more than a bit sureal to hear the words "U Conn at the Fiesta Bowl"?  I mean anybody wanting to know just how fucked up is the entire BCS  is just needs to read that sentence out loud to themselves.

 

 

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December 17th, 2010 at 12:08 AM | Then why does anyone ever (Score:1)
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Then why does anyone ever promote the idea of huge 16-team playoffs with AQs for everyone?

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December 17th, 2010 at 1:43 AM | Most people are interested in (Score:1)
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Most people are interested in a plus-1 or at most an 8 team playoff. Besides UConn isnt ranked in the top-16, presumably if a playoff system were created we could scrap the idea of autobids from conferences with under 10-12 teams.

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:40 PM | In some cases the school gets (Score:1)
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In some cases the school gets an expense allowance that covers their costs. I read Wisconsin is getting a $2.2 million expense allowance/reimbursement in addition to their $2.7 million share of the Rose Bowl pay-out.

Remember also that schools only have to pay expenses on the bowl they go to (obviously) but  get a 1/12th share of the aggregate bowl payout received from all Big Ten schools (all 11 teams get a share and one share goes to the conference office). With 2 Big Ten teams traditionally getting the big money BCS pay-outs and 4-6 more getting $ from other bowls, conference members do pretty well in spite of the expenses.  

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:54 PM | I couldn't find the Wisconsin (Score:1)
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I couldn't find the Wisconsin reference, but UConn's allowance is coming out of the Big East's budget--of which UConn presumably contributes 1/8.

The Big East Conference’s revenue-sharing system requires its bowl-eligible members to pool the bowl money and then divide it accordingly based on a tier. So the Huskies are in line to receive around $2.5 million, not including an expense allowance from the league for travel costs that takes into account the distance from Storrs to Arizona.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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December 16th, 2010 at 6:18 PM | On second thought I'm pretty (Score:1)
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On second thought I'm pretty sure the $2.7 million number I cited for Wisconsin is its total net share of the bowl payout from the Big Ten. I assume all Big Ten schools will get this amount since the Big Ten does not have a tiered revenue sharing system like the one in the Big East you mentioned.

It's a strange system. The per team payout number we read about is not really accurate because of ticket guarantees, etc. For example I read that the Big Ten teams will split about $35 million from bowl appearance fees, yet the listed per team payout for Wisconsin and OSU is $17 million each. It's fuzzy math for sure.

I do know that the Big Ten is an equal share conference. Conference teams going to BCS bowls are rewarded with a much higher expense allowance ($2.2 million) than teams going to other bowls (hence the issue of bringing the band) and they get a marketing/merchandising benefit as well, but the net revenue dollars are divvied up equally.       

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December 16th, 2010 at 7:06 PM | The Big Ten sort of has a (Score:1)
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The Big Ten sort of has a tiered system, but only for expenses.  On top of the revenue share, the Big Ten gives each bowl participant money towards expenses, and these are tiered based on the bowl you play in, with BCS bowl participants getting the highest payout.  

As for the appearance fees, the automatic BCS entrant (Wisconsin) earns something like the $17M you cited, the second conference entrant (OSU) earns in the $4-5M range.

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:44 PM | who walks around wearing shirts of some stupid bowl (Score:1)
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I actually decided to get a Gator Bowl shirt as a memento of RR's first and possibly only UM bowl. If that makes me a loser so be it.


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December 16th, 2010 at 5:57 PM | NC Gear (Score:1)
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I still have more than one article of clothing from the 97 title, despite the wife trying to throw it out. I guess some gear is more prized than others. I suppose Im waiting to replace it with gear from the next Michigan NC.

Love it or Leave it...oh by the way, Fierce Pragmatist..

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:46 PM | Question:: What UConn's (Score:1)
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Question::

What would UConn's record be if they were a member of the Big Ten?

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December 16th, 2010 at 5:54 PM | not good (Score:1)
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considering we held them to ten points.... I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, Sparty, Iowa would all hold them to negative points

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December 16th, 2010 at 6:13 PM | It's good someone... (Score:1)
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is taking a bath since many of the bowl pairings this year stink.

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December 16th, 2010 at 6:51 PM | I have an idea!  Let's have a (Score:1)
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I have an idea!  Let's have a playoff in which we "use the bowls" so instead of losing all this money once, teams have to travel three times and still not sell any tickets!

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December 16th, 2010 at 7:09 PM | Word. (Score:1)
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Look at all the empty seats in the FCS and Div II playoff games.

Taking it one week at a time

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December 16th, 2010 at 7:36 PM | NCAA Basketball tourney (Score:1)
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Have you never noticed all the empty seats on some of the games in the ncaa basketball tourney - mainly the early rounds?

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December 16th, 2010 at 8:29 PM | Uhhh, yeah.  That's precisely (Score:1)
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Uhhh, yeah.  That's precisely why I think it's dumb to have neutral-site football games in a playoff.  The bowls depend on the gate to make money, see, and they're not going to agree to be part of a system where they don't get any gate money and the TV rights are being paid to the NCAA. 

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

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December 16th, 2010 at 9:57 PM | Any realistic playoff system (Score:1)
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Any realistic playoff system would probably involve home games until the title. Even a place like Michigan would struggle to fill seats at a Fiesta, Orange, and Rose Bowl combo three weeks in a row. If the arrangement were more equitable, it would be harder for the bowls to put up a fight to stop it.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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December 17th, 2010 at 1:22 AM | Easy route: (Score:1)
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Round of sixteen during conference championship week with CC games and the rest of the grid filled in with other BCS conference champions and at large teams.  CC games at neutral sites and play-in games at home fields of higher seeds.

Four games the week after CC week played at home fields of higher seeds.

Semis on NYD at rotating bowls.

Final one week after NYD, as it is already.

The bowls would sell the same amount of tix as always, and there would be no problem with the title game.  CC games would sell more tix becase they are playoffs.  There would still be the same amount of bowls, the same amount of championship games on Jan 8, and a real champion determined on the field.

In other words, it is too easy so it won't happen.  Instead, some convoluted POS that doesn't fully satisfy anyone will be instituted in a few years.

 

 

 

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December 17th, 2010 at 1:39 AM |  CC games would sell more tix (Score:1)
MaizeAndBlueWahoo
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 CC games would sell more tix becase they are playoffs.

This is baffling.  Why on earth do you think that?  There's no good reason to believe that, you're just saying it because it makes your plan sound better.  And why do you think people will travel three times during the holiday season when vacation time and money are at a premium?  "Because it's a playoff" is the biggest BS reason ever - as noted above, that's not reason enough to sell tickets to the basketball tournament.

The conference championship games fill up because they're sensibly located - or fail to do so because they're thousands of miles away.  Atlanta sold out the SECCG because it's like three hours at most from the fanbases.  Same for Charlotte and the ACCCG.  You think there are legions of people out there thinking, "I'd go to that game, but since it's not part of a playoff I'm just gonna sit it out"?  You think the stadium in Jacksonville for the ACCCG was so empty because it wasn't a playoff?  Or do you think that might have had a little more to do with the fact that Boston is 1200 miles from Jacksonville?

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December 16th, 2010 at 7:38 PM | Revenues (Score:1)
funkywolve
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Does the author of the article factor in revenue the university gains in merchandising sales?  As an example, I'm guessing Wisky is probably selling a lot of Rose Bowl shirts and hats. 

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December 16th, 2010 at 9:18 PM | Maybe it is a loss leader and acceptable ?! (Score:1)
treetown
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The reports that most schools losing money or barely break even at best may make some sense if the leadership (president, regents, board of governors) see the secondary benefits of national exposure and development (e.g. alumni fund raising) worth the price - it is a loss leader, like for some company which makes a product which gathers it good public relations while not ever really becoming a big earner. For universities essentially the loss in revenue is chalked up to the cost of advertising the school and cultivating donors. IIRC Boston College saw a surge in applications after Doug Flutie last moment hail mary pass thrust BC into the public conscience. So for some schools, let's say the cost of taking a full band, the whole board, presidential entourage and other friends-of-the athletic department puts the school in the hole for $250,000 or $500,000, but if it is all for a big name bowl the cost of a single TV ad for the school could be close to that or more. Wining and dining donors at the game for a capital campaign which can run into the billions (for example the UM ended its recent campaign in 2009 at finally total $3.2 billion) also seems a reasonable cost.

Of course, having a winning team matters, but that is for other parts of this board....

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December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 PM | In regards to the band, I'm (Score:1)
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In regards to the band, I'm pretty sure its a part of many bowl contracts that they must attend.  Just another way the bowls suck and we should have a playoff already.

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December 17th, 2010 at 4:08 AM | You're kidding, right? (Score:1)
bkrentler
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Nm

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December 17th, 2010 at 11:20 AM | Take the band (Score:1)
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I am 100% in favor of taking the band, scout team players, volunteer managers and even the water boy.

We have to remember that the University of Michigan is going to the Gator Bowl. That includes the band regardless of the cost. Forget the tradition, its about the kids. I would pay an extra $10 per ticket to allow all the kids the opportunity to go. It is a memory of a lifetime. Isnt that what its all about?

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