This NCAA tournament run has brought my level of distaste over schadenfreude to new heights. Do we really need to mock VCU, Kansas, Florida, and Syracuse fans at their moment of despondency? I thought the Kansas fans in particular came off as good people and good sports, while M fans came off a RCMB wannabees, and very poor winners. I hope this board trends away from laughing at the misery of every opponent we beat. Schadenfreude is pretty trendy but I dislike it immensely coming from Michigan fans in general, and this board in particular. I'm somewhat ok with it directed at MSU, or Ohio State, or Notre Dame, though I could easily do without it. but see no reason to start a thread, laughing at the misfortune of every team we defeat. Overall, from what I've seen, I would rate Kansas basketball fans, and Nebraska football fans as much classier in defeat or victory than what Michigan has to offer.
I don't remember many people mocking VCU, Kansas, Florida, or Syracuse fans. What are you talking about Willis?
There was some. Not a lot but I do agree with Gordie that people taking shots at Kansas fans reactions were a bit silly and they made me uncomforable as well.
Well when you talk poop all week about how your team is going to dominate inside and win by 15+ points, you deserve to have a little of said poop thrown back at your ugly Kansan face.
But that was like one guy. I criticized the post about a guy who started to break down on the radio becaus of the game. There was a post linking to Kansas' fans comments, but most of the comments on this board were along the lines of "Oh. They're not really going nuts about things. They seem like good, rational fans."
Also, ripping on Syracuse or Kansas after the game for talking about their decided advantages isn't Schadenfreude. That's just them getting what they deserve.
"I dislike it immensely coming from Michigan fans in general, and this board in particular." From this board in particular? Isn't Brian the Schadenfreude guy at sbnation or something? You might be taking it a bit too seriously. Brian has run a Schadenfreude column on there about Michigan fans even.
There were syracuse schadenfreude links on the front page about a cuse fan so mad he broke his tv with his hat. There was a more extensive post poking fun at them too
In all fairness, if the guy who broke the TV with a hat had been a Wichita State fan I wouldn't have been surprised if it made the front page. Why? Because HE BROKE HIS TV WITH A HAT!
Come on, man. The guy turned his Syracuse hat into a martial arts star, and we weren't supposed to say anything about it? I agree with pfholland.
Wasnt it Brian referencing the Syracuse blog he likes and then noting the story run on it about the guy breaking his television? Doesn't seem like gloating to me. Also, posting the story about how one broke ones television with ones hat online seems to be inviting people to comment on it.
I wanted to just stay sad about Monday this entire week and then you go and create a thread that I agree with and can smile about due to your frankness and overall disgust with parts of the fanbase. Damn you for making me smile and nod in any affirmative manner this week
Your welcome. Made me smile too
I think the fanbase can sometimes be a bit hypocritical, after all there were fires in Ann Arbor monday night....(which did make me sad)
This was ridiculous. Why are we setting fires? What is there to gain? I just don't get it. I've burned a few couches but only due to the fact they were broken or deemed garbage but it wasn't in the street... It was in a backyard bonfire.
I don't know, I thought the post that had the Syracuse guy breaking his LED TV with his baseball cap was pretty funny.
Overall, I think our fanbase and our community here in particular is way more gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat than almost any other fanbase I've ever encountered.
Good post. I felt no malice toward any of the fanbases we played over the past few weeks. But my living room is relatively isolated from opposing fans.
I'm confused. Is there any other point of being a sports fan?
Nope. Relishing the tears of the vanquished is just part of sports. It's no big deal, it's not like you're celebrating a person losing their job or falling ill. It's just sports. This is what we do - everyone wins & loses. You feel good, you feel bad. You get to dole out some pride in victory, you gotta take your medicine in defeat. You can't be too sensitive about everybody's feelings, because it's honestly not that important. It's just sports. It's better to not be a bunch of assholes, but it doesn't mean you have to carefully navigate the minefield of human emotion to avoid offending the enemy.
People reacting emotionally to sporting events, which in the grand scheme of things are quite trivial, is ironic and thus often amusing. We are not laughing at serious human suffering, after all.
If you can't laugh a bit at sports-induced sadness (including your own), then you might be taking it all too seriously.
I can vividly imagine you as a red-faced eight year old, steam figuratively expelling from each ear like the exhaust of a freight train, reddened eye sockets, loudly proclaiming your intention to take your ball and go home...
I don't think this fan base mocks any other teams in defeat except ND, MSU, and to a certain extent OSU (there's a certian amount of respect there that prevents us from using full scorn). Those are really the only teams who's schadenfreude I enjoy. I don't get any enjoyment out of other team's disappointment. I don't remember any of this happening to our other tourney opponents except for a few funny posts by SU fans. And even then, I don't think it was full schadenfreude.
I for one, am capable of full scorn for OSU.
Hey, just because we happen to be on the short end of the schadenfreude stick this time, doesn't mean it's not worth having.
To know happiness, you must occasionally experience sorrow. It's the double-edged sword that makes sports so great.
Also, I think there are different levels of schadenfreude, and hopefully we as a fan base, do it without being too disrespectful to other teams.
Mocking underdogs losing is probably in poor taste
Any SEC team is fair game.
As for Kansas, I have a personal issue with them. Back in 08, after their one good football season, my friends and i were at Rothbury. There was a camp with a Jayhawk flag and the scene there was very fratty. We went over to be good neighbors, share some drinks, talk sports, and have a good time. Things were all right at first but when some of the ladies there started getting on good terms with us, the guys all started talking immense amounts of trash. Not interested in a fight, we left, and the last thing their alpha male type said was "F*** Michigan they suck anyway!"
So, to hell with Kansas. Sample size be damned.
/cool story bro
I can't stand Kansas fans. I find them completely infuriating in all instances. But the only schadenfreude thread that I felt was going too far was the one with the guy who was crying on the radio after the loss. That just felt pathetic and not something I could laugh at.
"Any SEC team is fair game"
Particularly Florida ... particularly Florida football.
One of my good buddies is a Florida fan. Insufferable bastard. :-)
Enough with trying to out-class everyone. Clainess is overrated. Stop trying to come up with arbitrary rules for what makes you a "true fan."
As someone who had Michigan winning my entire bracket, I see what you're saying but disagree with the header. I got to rub it in my fellow Michigan fans in my bracket group after VCU and Kansas and Florida and Syracuse and definitely think it has its place
Read plenty of "fuck louisville" and the pictures mocking michael carter-williams after the cuse loss ('thats why you watch film lolz!!") also stood out.
Ace made a GIF after the Florida game of the Gator mascot looking up toward the rafters in disappointment. I thought it was a funny moment and not in poor taste to tweak the Florida fans a little bit.
However, after the Syracuse game he made a GIF of the Brandon Triche charge that he called, "RIP Otto the Orange". That was obviously a huge play and it's nice to have it in GIF form but it was just a 50/50 call that went our way and didn't have anything to do with Otto. I just thought the title was unnecessary and a little inflammatory.
It took me a couple viewings myself to see what Ace was referring to so I get why you did not understand. He was referring to the Syracuse mascot, who flopped over after the play.
Ohh ok I didn't notice that until now. That is pretty funny.
My wife has been going to Syracuse games for 30 years. That's a pretty typical Otto move according to her.
I apologize for being obvious if you were being sarcastic, but if not...that GIF had everything to do with Otto falling over backward in the background of the shot.
don't know what you are referring to. Like the Billy Donovan gif and the Kansas "fuck no" to the Trey Burke shot. None of that stuff is mean spirited and it is never meant to be. I think that most on this blog have more fun at our own expense than target opposing fans. This board is nothing like RCMB. Nothing at all.
And really, Otto the Orange gif "distasteful?" It is a GIGANTIC ORANGE with facial features and legs that fell backwards into cheerleaders!! It was hilarious and Syracuse fans probably can get a chuckle out of it. Come on.
We are a fanbase who's favorite gif is of our own punter dropping the ball during the game with our biggest rival. We definitely can laugh at our own expense.
that gif with McGary trying ridiculously to chase the ball down against Northwestern. It is just funny stuff, not funny just because it happened to them. Most on this blog have a good perspective on things and can have fun with how idiodic sports can be. If you want to see venom and distaste, visit the RCMB, that place is a cesspool of distaste.
I don't know why everybody is down on this board right now, this is still as fun of a place as ever.
No way. The Schade is wayyy too awesome. Give it and take it. Stay away from the internet for a few days after a loss if you can't.
Also, apparently some of you don't really get schadenfeude. Talking shit to the losing side is not the same thing as gaining enjoyment out of the misfortune of others.
Gordie, I agree that the schadenfreude is irritating, but trust me, the grass isn't greener. Internet fandom always contains plenty of people who write mean things behind the veil of anonymity. It would be nice if everyone acted like they would in polite company, but they just won't.
Here's a happy picture:
He looks happy to you?
For lack of evidence. Other than the Kansas reaction video and the Syracuse guy who uploaded the destruction of his own television, what have we done? The only thing I have seen are inbred Sparty fans laughing at Michigan's loss in the championship game, to which the only reply needed is, "At least we made it."
Who exactly did we mock? We laughed at things like mascots or fans acting like idiots (and posting it themselves on the Internet) but that's about it.
is in the reactions of fans who take all of this sports stuff a little bit too close to the heart- i.e., the very basis of their self-esteem is directly in correlation with the fortunes of their team. There is nothing wrong with laughing at the more outlandish examples, as long as we keep perspective and remember to laugh at ourselves- or at the very least win or lose magnaimously. In our current situation, just a few weeks ago we would have been very satisfied with making the Sweet Sixteen, and everything else since then should be taken as a glorious ride that came this close to ending in relative ecstacy. Not to mention boding well for the future- one day soon our preseason expectations will be to make the Final Four, with a strong possiblity of winning the whole thing. We have wandered in the wilderness a long time...
of the tournament run to be appropriate and acceptable, to me anyway. Sure there were posts that bordered on unacceptable but none were offensive and if they were the mods took them down. Seriously, this is what sports fandom is all about Gordie. I see the downvotes on this post are winning 22-3 right now and that seems about right.
I don't have an issue with it, as long as its not completely classless, and if you give it, you'd better be ready to get it in return. Its part of sports.
Were normal sports fans. If you cant enjoy a little schadenfreude than wtf is the point of being a sports fan. Lighten up and quit telling us how to act...its beyond douche
I think if your feelings get extremely hurt about someone making fun of you for your team losing a sporting event you need to step back and take a breath. It's just sports. Making fun of the losing fans, especially rivals, is half the fun of winning? No one means any harm, because it's just sports, not life. It's not like you're laughing at someone for getting fired. Relax.
In addition- I slept with your wife. Go Blue.
I think there's a difference between antagonizing someone after their team lost and laughing at people acting like idiots after their team lost.
I have an ex-coworker Buckeye fan who went out of his way to rub in our loss moments after it happened on facebook. I said nothing to him or about him, I was just clearly disappointed in the loss and he felt the need to tell me how much Michigan sucks and how awesome the Buckeyes are (which made tons of sense in that contaxt).
Now, if I had posted something ridiculous on the internet for everyone to read and some stranger laughed about it among his friends, there's really nothing wrong with that.
You suffer from the common, sad flaw that afflicts 90% of our species, which is the tendency to generalize a conclusion based upon limited data in order to simplify your world. Like a guy who has cross words at a grocery store with someone of a certain ethnicity and then extrapolates that most people of that ethnicity must be jerks, and he now despises that ethnicity. Certain generalizations can make sense given a broader range of data. Say for example – people over 80 tend to drive slower than people under 80.
But when it comes to making this ridiculous, broad conclusion about the entire Michigan fan base, from one or two posts on a blog or website or two having fun with the suffering of other fans, you expose your own mental weakness. The simple fact is that every fan base, just as in every culture, has the vast majority of its members hovering somewhere in the moderate middle, but there will always be that small percentage of eccentrics and extremists at both ends. Any remotely bright Michigan fan will tell you that as much as we rail against Buckeye and Spartan fans, we know that the vast majority of their fans are decent, moderate people just trying to harmlessly root for their team. Michigan is no different. We have our idiot fans too, just as Kansas does, just as Nebraska does.
Buckeye and Spartan fans are idiots. I've met every single one of them just to be sure.
If you were mocking Kansas fans after that game you're crazy. That was one of the luckiest wins I remember seeing in the tournament. It is one reaosn the tournament is great... for some. If I were a Kansas fan after that game I don't know what I would have done besides cried.
Well, it depends on what you're mocking them for. If you're making fun of them simply because their team lost and they're disappointed about it, just to rub it in, I agree with you. But if, in the true idea of Schadenfreude, a Kansas fan does or says something completely idiotic because their team lost, it's fair to laugh at them for it.
The Syracuse example still works pefectly. That was a hard fought game that Syracuse narrowly lost. Yet one of their fans decided to ruin a quite expensive TV over it, and then brag about it on the internet. It would be just as OK to laugh at that guy had it happened after the Kansas game as well.
Same reaction many of us would have had. But the rest of us wouldn't post it on the Internet.
How was it lucky? Making great defensive plays and draining 30 footers isn't luck.
Schadenfreude exists when you're playing in the National Championship?!
I laughed at 'RIP Otto the Orange'. But then I remembered Syracuse isn't on gordie's list of approved schadenfreude sources. Is three hail mary's enough? Do I get absolution from God or do I have to go directly to gordie?
It's one thing to mock someone's disappointment. That's just mean. But it's another to laugh a little at someone who takes themselves WAY too seriously (including ourselves) and makes an ass of themselves by, say, putting a hat through a TV. A little levity is the cure for over seriousness. IT'S JUST SPORTS, and TWIS reminds us of this.
I agree entirely. I'm all for taking the piss out of someone losing their perspective on sports. However, somehow I get the feeling that many of the people who post the schadenfreude threads here take things just as seriously and are often just taking delight in others misery.
If you're going to quote Gary Coleman, get it right.
It's "wha choo talkin bout" Willis.
But I agree..I'm not a fan of laughing at other fans' misfortune.
Sports has winning, and it has losing. When you are a fan, you don't get (or move closer to getting) a ring, trophy, bonus or even your name in the paper. You get one thing: bragging rights over the other fans. I don't often participate in the despair of our opponents' fans as much as I use to, and I agree there are certain lines not to cross, but trying to tell others to not do that is to completely miss the boat on part of what being a fan is.
I was pissed about the loss, and decompressed Tuesday by not reading anything about basketball except a post or two here. Yesterday, I realized that if Michigan hadn't gotten there, I would have been cheering for Louisville anyway.
For this team to get to the final game and make it entertaining, in spite of terrible officiating, was quite an accomplishment. And the way Louisville looked, I'm not so sure competent officiating would have changed the outcome, anyway.
This year was about establishing Michigan as a perennial contender. Mission accomplished.
I'm with you on this, but it's less about being thin-skinned about my team, as BuckeyeJonRoss suggests, and more about the state of humanity as a whole. There are fans from certain fan-bases who seem to lurk on every board and at the end of every article on their rival, just waiting to get some mean-spirited and usually stupid and misinformed comment in. Why the need to do this? Is our species that miserable and disgruntled?
As others have pointed out, in the sports world at least, schadenfreude is most enjoyable when in response to excessive fan behavior. I'm not sure there's a word or phrase in either English or German that captures the RCMB response to Michigan's loss, but obssessively pathetic might come close, when easily 20 out of 25 threads and 90% of the posts on their first page for several hours were devoted to a game the Spartans didn't even play in..
I haven't really been paying attention to what our fan base has been doing or all the comments posted here, but I do agree generally that our fan base can be just as bad as others. Watch enough football games during the RR years around the fraternities and you see plenty of unfriendly and smug people. However, my good friend watched the Kansas game with a bunch of Kansas grads who starting doing the rock chalk when Kansas was up 14. I also believe the Kansas fans at te game sounded like they were doing it. Not exactly the most sportsmanlike thing to be doing. Finally, at the end of day, I'm sure most fan bases are quite similar and we all have selective memories of limited interactions with each that predispose us to each group.
A State fan I know very slightly was posting on Facebook after the Florida game at how bummed he was, and a couple of his buddies chimed in. I was tempted to post something like "From a lifelong Michigan fan, truly sorry your guys lost so we can't play again in the Final Four – Big Ten rules!"
I didn't do it but I wish I had. I can't imagine anyone from Spartyland doing that if the roles were reversed. I would've felt like the classy Michigan fan most of us are. Moral superiority feels better than trashing the trashy. That would be redundant.
punched McGary in the nuts, Syracuse still thinks the better team lost, etc. So sick and tired of hearing before each game how we were going to have to face <insert insurmountable challenge here>. Screw them. Louisville won the championship fair and square and we gave them a helluva game. Go Blue.
It's useless in no rivalry cases. Think about how low we've felt the last few days. Think about how stupid the state fans looked and sounded celebrating a Louisville win. I don't mind the trash talk about other teams (rival teams) in here. I think it's a good way to get it out with co-Michigan fans without rubbing it in there faces.
Are we allowed to mock them and Clappy? I mean, they:
[x] ordered Sweet 16 rings
[x] made commemorative popcorn boxes for a meaningless December game
[x] cut down nets after losing to Ohio State
[x] didn't know Syracuse would play zone
How can you not relish in their defeat?
I just don't agree with going out if your way to find Indiana fans and rub it in their faces.
Agree completely. Let's stop!