January 7th, 2011 at 8:45 PM ^
At this point I have to agree with your buddy. The environment for an "outsider" coach is toxic. They fired RICH RODRIGUEZ after three fucking seasons. It's really incredible to me. After the season Denard had... from a strictly professional perspective you would have to be insane to leave a successful job to come here. It's sad that I type "they" now with regards to Michigan (I graduate in May), but this decision makes me feel like I need to take a step back from this for a while. I still love M, but the decision to fire RR was cronyism all the way. If Hoke is hired... I mean think about that... what a fucking nightmare. The toxic environment we have created here for an outsider coach will severely limit our potential to grow.
I don't know why nobody is even considering Magee. I haven't heard his name come up once.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:40 PM ^
I feel like many years in the future people will be talking about how Michigan used to have an epic program the way people talk about Rice and Harvard having been good a long time ago. Seves us right.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:27 AM ^
And then pretty soon applications will go down, and we'll talk about how we used to be better a better academic institution than MSU, but then nuclear engineering and sheep research became the hot job sectors and we were left in the dust. We're all going to die anyway, and for many of us we'll be impotent long before then. Plus my ex-girlfriend was the best I'll ever do.
WHY BRANDON WHY!
... and my dick is small. Probably gonna get smaller, too. FML.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:47 PM ^
I'll take a wild guess that our AD is not "retarded" so you can all exhale. Can we all relax? This notion of shock over RR's firing "after three fucking seasons" kind of ignores a lot of shit that even those of us like myself who were ok with giving him a 4th year must acknowledge. It's not like some magical pimp hand from the sky suddenly cold-cocked a coach who was kicking all forms of ass on the field. I wont go into all of the infamous records that RR broke in his 3 years with M--we all know them by heart. I would've been happy if he could find one frick'n guy to kick a 30 frick'n yard field goal.
I understand that a lot of folks who are current M students or who are graduating in May are acquainted with RR in a way that others of us are not. He's the only coach the current students have known. For others like myself, it's different. Bo & Mo coached while I was on campus and I've seen Lloyd and RR since. Lots of different action there--lots of success too. It's a perspective that lends itself to less surprise and disappointment over the RR outcome.
The decision to fire RR was not cronyism...actually, I couldn't give a crap if it was. May the best coach guide the team,
Rest assured that the M job is not toxic. M is not the Detroit Lions organization whose coach, Darryl Rogers once asked, "What does a coach have to do around here to get fired?" That, my friend, is a toxic job. Not the M job where the standards are sky high...not by a long shot.
Have a little faith that a man with the extraordinary life accomplishments, education and intelligence of our AD is not "retarded" (may that term burn in hell). And have faith that the moment M starts winning again we'll all forget about our past adolescent-chick, freak-outs about whether the M job somehow lost its luster. We'll be fine.
As they say in St. Lucia, "No Problems."
January 7th, 2011 at 10:03 PM ^
Hi DB!
January 7th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^
I totally opened myself up for that one.
January 7th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
Holy Cow!
It is toxic when you give a BCS winning coach three seasons to change the offensive system and after a 7 win season you fire him. That is a toxic environment to walk into as a coach.
I'm really glad you got to see winning football in your lifetime. News flash, so did I. I am older than 14 years old.
This situation DB has put us in makes us a fucking laughing stock nationally whether you like it or not. You know what I saw on ESPN today? A lot of "Harbaugh did what was best for Harbaugh." Tony Dungy literally laughed at the prospect of himself coaching at Michigan. A mediocre coach at NW told us no thanks. A fairly new and unproven coach at Nebraska said no, there is no way we are pulling the Oregon coach (which I would love). This environment created by DB after giving a coach only three seasons to win more than 7 games is toxic whether you think so or not.
DB has done a lot of robotic corporate speaches, but rest asured he has never been an athletic director before and he has been a complete failure so far in his first major decision making process. This, that is happening right now, is a failure. Our coach was given an impossible task, not given nearly enough time to accomplish it and our golden boy, alumni replacement just told us to go fuck ourselves. Not to mention the timetable will leave this recruiting class a steaming crater in the side of the future of this program. We have all seen how horrible one missed recruiting class can be *cough* 2007! *cough*
January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 PM ^
Pelini was never contacted about the Michigan job according to rivals. It would seem he said no because he wanted to be special like everybody else.
January 7th, 2011 at 10:28 PM ^
Your point on the merit of RR's firing is well taken--I get it. We could spar all night about his judgment with the defense and special teams or we can focus on the offense only.,,which had its own struggles against better teams down the stretch. Maybe more time would've ironed this all out--maybe more time would've have RR eventually asking the same question that Darryl Rogers did. Either way, it's moot. He's gone. I thought that DB was pretty clear about the red letter game priority that he placed on the job duty. You can disagree with his emphasis on this priority but if you're an incoming coach, you know what's expected of you from this AD to keep your job. If that nugget of up-front clarity counts for anything, it counts to make the job a worthwhile challenge--not toxic.
Did Fitz, a Chicago boy, former player for NU, married to NU gal, self-professed NU lover taking himself out of consideration surprise anyone? Is it a surprise that JH has NFL dreams? Dungy's remarks could be interpreted in a couple of ways.
I'm just not ready to flatline the M job just because every guy whose face the media chooses to thrust a mic at doesn't gush about us--at least publicly.
Let's just relax--your remark about stepping away from the computer is a good idea--we should all do it for a little during this whacked time. Enjoy your upcoming graduation and rest assured that the successes that the guy on your avatar enjoyed will make their way back sooner rather than later.
(and I'm relieved that you're not 14 years old or else I'd have felt wholly inadequate for graduating at the ripe old age of 21)
January 8th, 2011 at 12:07 AM ^
The person who has made Michigan into a laughing stock is RichRod - he brought this on himself.
You want to point the finger somewhere he deserves as much blame as anyone
January 8th, 2011 at 9:25 AM ^
Harbaugh won only two more games over his first three years than RR did here. 3 years is not enough time and the university turned its back on the coach so quickly that no coach in their right mind "Michigan Man" or not would come here to that sort of treatment.
A quote from Patterson about TCU:
"TCU let me grow as a coach"
"They gave me an opportunity to be a head coach and to do what we've been able to do. We've come a long way in 13 years and it's been fun to be a part of it. I feel like I'm just a member of the staff."
Those are things Michigan gave RR neither the time nor the acceptance to do.
We are down to the bottom of the barrel this morning as far as coaches who want to come here and you know what? We deserve it.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 PM ^
If you were a successful coach at another program without any ties to Michigan, would you:
A) Continue on at your current position in which you are worshipped and will likely be able to coach as long as you want to.
B) Switch to Michigan, where the last outsider was never completely supported by the fan base, and only got three years to prove himself, despite there being an argument (no matter how weak you think it is) that a 4th year was warranted.
Decisions... decisions...
January 7th, 2011 at 8:30 PM ^
The only advantage for Patterson would be that the situation left behind by RR is better than what RR had after Carr, at least in terms of some established talent and an offensive system in place.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:42 PM ^
True, but the fan base is still the same. He won't fit the "culture" any more than RR did.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
We are talking about a coach who has just gone 46-4 including an undefeated season (with a good defense).
Any "culture" that can't appreciate that needs to be changed.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:09 PM ^
and the defense got progressively worse. I get it Rich Rod is a great guy and a very good offensive coach but some people need to face the damn facts. He does not know or seem to give two nuts about defense. As a head coach that is absolutely unacceptable! I know most fans are aware of this but maybe some people forgot our defensive rankings the past 3 years:
Total FBS Big Ten
2008: 66th 9th
2009: 82nd 9th
2010: 110th 11th
That is a total joke! A 3 - 3 - 5 in the Big Ten??? Come on now . Hoke, Miles, anyone who knows a lick about defense will be a step in the right direction for this program.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
pretty sure Buddy Ryan or Dom Capers couldn't make Avery, Vinopal, Kovacs, Ezeh, Banks and Rogers into world beaters overnight anymore than Rich's staff could. You do realize we lost 11 potential starters in the secondary in a calendar year to AMSHG right?
January 7th, 2011 at 9:42 PM ^
Did you know Hoke (along with defensive coordinator Rocky Long) runs the 3-3-5 at San Diego State?
Not saying Rodriguez's defenses didn't suck, but it's worth noting.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:47 PM ^
This is an AIDS-worthy comment.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:52 PM ^
Because I'm HIV positive.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:31 AM ^
See, this isn't even a joke. I don't know what this is.
January 7th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^
I hope that somehow I am misunderstanding that comment. Otherwise, really weak.
January 7th, 2011 at 10:55 PM ^
January 8th, 2011 at 12:40 AM ^
Harbaugh's defense at Stanford year 3 was 90th in the nation. Why is it that we hold RichRod completely responsible for having a horrible defense in year 3 with no excuses acceptable but Jimmy gets a pass because the team went 1-11 3 years earlier and he has a tougher time recruiting and blah blah blah. If RichRod can be held responsible, lets hold every coach to the same standard.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^
While Miles is eating grass and pushing himself closer to a cardiac episode, the coach we should be pursuing is leading his team towards his second FCS championship in his third championship appearance. Nobody seems very happy about the idea of Les Miles, so I submit that, FCS aside, Keeler has the qualities we're pursuing, and would be more acceptable to the masses. And to anyone who dislikes his FCS pedigree: Tressel. Booya.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^
All this web traffic over the last 3 years has to be good for Brian right?? I know I've been clicking on this site way too frequently throughout the day recently.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:19 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 8:24 PM ^
Panic mode is easier though considering the circumstances and that at least 3 coaches listed among potential targets have brushed us off without a second thought.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 8:20 PM ^
TCU issued a press release confirming the extended contract
January 7th, 2011 at 8:21 PM ^
DB: Hello rita, is Rich home
Rita: Sure he is Dave, hold on a sec while i get him for shug.
RR: Hey Dave hows it goin', just got back from zingermans
DB: Hey Rich i was wondering What you were doing for next couple years, i might have been a little hasty.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:24 PM ^
Funny, I was just imaging that conversation during my hour-long commute earlier today. (not that I expect it to actually happen)
January 7th, 2011 at 8:21 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 8:25 PM ^
He would be crazy to sign a contract extention that increases his buyout if he thought there was even a chance he would have to exercise that buyout later this month.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:29 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 8:48 PM ^
Guys don't sign extensions and then immediately bolt for another job. It just isn't how it works. If he signs now he aint leaving this year for any other position.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:53 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 9:00 PM ^
coaching salary, but see my post above: Dan Patrick reported that there was no buyout.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:00 PM ^
I have no idea what you are talking about. But thanks for the insult. Feel free to point out a coach who signed an extension and then bolted a few days later. Or you could just call names.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:04 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
He will tell you Patterson is staying at TCU now.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:28 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
He won't until Michigan, Stanford, and every other head coaching position in the country are filled.
Dan Mullen is a candidate only in Brian's mind.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:49 PM ^
You just finished telling us:
"You dudes know he signs one of these every year, right?"
January 7th, 2011 at 8:57 PM ^
Exactly. Plus it means he's not in the middl eof negotiations with DB.
January 7th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 9:45 PM ^
because contracts actually take, you know, time for the parties, their agents/lawyers etc. Unless you think he's shuttling himself back and forth between two different conference rooms negotiating two contracts at the same time (which would probably be considered in bad faith in the eyes of the law)
January 7th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^
January 7th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
No information is certain, but the different articles I've read indicate he was very involved in the contract talks, and that he is not going anywhere. He was at home watching the Cotton Bowl.
Here are two of them.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=6000665&campaign=rss…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110108/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_t25_tcu_patterso…
With Michigan and Stanford among notable coaching vacancies, Patterson is staying put in Fort Worth.