Is anyone else really scared that Al Borges is going to ruin Denard? I have this awful feeling that Denard will be a shell of his former self this season. I know the coaches all have been blowing smoke out of their asses about "utilizing talent" and such, but I have a feeling Borges will stubbornly try to turn Denard into something he isn't - much like squeezing a square peg into a round hole. Any thoughts?
Scared for Denard
Find a new hobby to occupy your time rather than obsess in minutae beyond your control
So, i kind of agree...But isn't everything we talk about on here kinda beyond our control?
That's why I really only object when it clearly manifests itself in negative feelings for people (the poster described himself as "scared"). If this is just giving you fear, agita, nausea, etc...why not find something else?
Most of us can say "Man, I hope Denard kicks ass next year" and be content with that hope. Clearly, Banksy cannot do that.
I was a well known Denard skeptic going into this last year. I questioned his ability to be more than a glorified RB. Although he didn't suddenly become Tom Brady in the pocket, he more than impressed me with his improvement as a passer. With that kind of desire and work ethic, I have decided never to doubt him again. I believe he will continue to improve mechanically, that he will take less of a beating scrambling than he did as a straight runner, and that he will be great as a junior in this offense and a phenom as a senior.
He will b awsomer
I don't see this ending very well.
If votes counted the OP would find himself here...
Question: Would it be better to be in Bolivian or in Libya right now?
When thinking about it, my head assploded... It is a conundrum for the ages...
I guess it depends on the Bolivian.
I have to go with Lybia because Obolivia is just to scary and lonley.
Denard is a respected QB.
Borges is a respected OC.
Borges says, "Throw ball here." Denard throws. Everyone is happy.
Now, will he get the most out of him possible? I dunno. He may be better under Borges for all we know. But ruin him? He's not going to try to turn him into a statue.
FYI, this shit is about to get real. And by real I mean really nasty.
FWIW (and that means not much), I'm in the middle. Denard will not put up the same yards, but there is a chance he will be a better quarterback. Honestly, I think you need to look at the RB corps to see what type of season we're going to have. If Denard doesn't run it as much and the RB's don't step up, we're in big trouble.
It will be easier for the RBs to step up in this kind of offense. There wont be as much pressure for Denard to get the 1st every time. Of course D is the man under pressure but it will open up more opportunites for other positions to shine.
I agree about the running backs. Personally, I don't want to see Denard, put up the same numbers. I want to see, a running back like we had with Hart, Perry, etc... getting over 1000 yds and not rely on our QB to be our only means of rushing and passing offense.
No. Denard will be good. Borges will be good. We will be good.
People shouldn't vilify this OP. Just like when we were 5-0 last year, people shouldn't have vilified the "here we go again second half swoon" OPs.
Bottom line the system adjustment means uncertainty.
You're right - we don't know how it will turn out.
That's still not a reason to post needless hair-pulling. This is supposed to be fun. If year-round coverage is giving the poster agita, he/she should find something else to occupy their time.
were they really OPs? Hmmnnn
I agree that nobody knows how it will turn out.
But, I suspect that the OP is being villified because this exact topic has been discussed to death, and since (as you point out) nobody has a clue, what more is there to say.
If something coming out of the spring practice led to this thread (as in, "reports out of practice indicate that Denard is [excelling / struggling] with the new offense"), I could see it. But this is just the same discussion we have seen countless times.
super excited about Hoke/Borges (though I'm a huge fan of Mattison), Denard is an all-American. His naturual abilities are enough to where he's still gonna make a huge impact on the team and its games. PERIOD.
Totally. Borges is all like "Sure Denard's good but I think it would help me do my job better by making him less good so I'll do that" and Brady Hoke is all like, "Yeah whatever Borges" because Hoke is the head coach but doesn't really care what goes on on his team.
Points need to be back up to encourage posts like this, and discourage some of the dumber things that go on.
Coaches are some of the most stubborn people in the world. They don't have that "by any means necessary" attitude. They want to win their way and that's what I'm afraid of... yet another transition in scheme that will be jarring and not utilize our talent the right way. I don't get why everyone negs everyone for simply bringing up a serious concern. If you disagree you don't have to neg bomb me - you can simply respond using words.
He used words.
That's what you're responsing to.
I would recommend you go to YouTube (or look on here for BoyzindaPahokee's post with the video) and watch the SDSU/Navy game. Borges ran the read-option in the first half, and took something like ~50% of snaps out of the shotgun. There's a post on the board somewhere with these statistics from that game.
Borges truly runs multiple sets; he isn't RR or Carr.
Edit: Upvoting your own post is not a classy move at all. You know it never counts, right?
I know Rich Rod was exactly like this. I hope that Hoke and his staff can adjust things accordingly in order to give us the greatest chance for success.
Coaches are some of the most stubborn people in the world. They don't have that "by any means necessary" attitude.
im so tired of this stupid thought...get over it please...
1. You need to calm down.
2. What was the "legitimate question"?
telescope. He will be fine even if Van Bergan sacks him in practice a few times.
New name, same shit stirring.
I'm more scared for you than I am for Denard
Maybe I am overly optimistic but I feel like with this type of offensive system Denard can be even more dangerous. I feel like hes most effective when he is rolling out of the pocket and scrambling not necessarily on designed runs. And as effective as Denard was-having running backs gaining the yards instead of him sounds great to me. The pace of the offense last year was detrimental and I refuse to believe Denard can last 2 more seasons taking that many hits.
He very very rarely rolled out of the pocket on a designed pass and chose to run. Most of his big runs were on designed runs.
are you under the impression that the complexities of a QB draw escape an OC with 20+ years experience
I would definitely agree with the point you are making but is that such an unreasonable assumption anymore?
I think our O will be fine but I don't take for granted a coaches ability to understand schemes outside of their comfort zone.
Jason Campbell rushed for more yards last year as a Raider then he did at Auburn with Borges as his O coordinator. Campbell had the benefit of having to top 5 draft picks in the backfield with him for the D to key on. I'm pretty sure that's not the case here now.
I can think of one thing that Robinson and Campbell have in common that dupes many people into thinking Campbell must be mobile.
Hint: it probably makes the same people think Robinson and Campbell must be good dancers and basketball players.
Why on earth would you run any called running play for Jason Campbell other than a QB sneak?
It's like claiming Jared Lorentzens' OC didn't know what a QB Draw was.
Double post sorry!
Denard is 6'0, so unless Borges is a complete idiot, he's going to have plenty of plays where Denard will roll out of the pocket to better see downfield. This play has been in the Michigan playbook long before Rich Rod or Brady Hoke ever showed up on campus (see: Brian Griese to Jerame Tuman). The cool thing about this play with Denard is he could also tuck it and run if things look good.
I agree to a point. The rollout will need to be a big part of the offense. The only problem is when people start saying it is great because denard is a great runner so he can just tuck it if the pass isn't there. Robinson showed very little ability to tuck and run on a designed pass play last year, so I hope this is one of the things he gets better at this offseason. The teams that did well against us made denard a pass first QB, so I am hoping he tucks and runs this year much more. Robinson has never been a "scramble" QB, so I'm hoping that is because he has just been hesitant and that will change with more reps. I personally hope we still see plenty of designed run plays for Robinson....that's when he is at his best.
Practice just started a few days ago. Go away
Borges is not going to run him on almost every running play like last year but use the other backs. Temper your fear.
Ha! Yeah, they really "ruined" him. That's like saying teams did a great job defending Wilt Chamberlin when they held him to 35 points.