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first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
If you're gonna go please be in the first round.
another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference
"May be able to throw" is a far cry from being 100%. At best, Denard will likely only be able to be relied upon to complete short passes. He will probably get more snaps at QB than he did against Iowa, but I really think that the coaching staff would be nuts to remove Gardner as the primary QB given his performance the last few weeks.
One good thing though: OSU will have a tough time coming up with a game plan for this one.
I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?
This thread is predicated on the hypothetical proposition that Denard will be 100%. That's what makes the question interesting.
I completely agree with everything you've said here as a practical matter, but the premise of the thread was what to do with "100%" Denard. If he's 100%, I think he should start at QB.
Even with Denard at a 100%, the offense is not very good with him at QB. Remember, we didn't score a TD for 10 straight quarters, if I recall correctly. I love Denard to death, but Devin has shown much better decision making ability and much better accuracy than Denard ever has, especially in this offense. Our offense is at it's best with Devin at the helm and Denard at RB.
Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.
I'm thinking about how well Denard played in The Game last year, plus the fact that Devin has three career starts. I could very well be wrong, and we'll get some idea of that shortly, but going into this game I feel like I can count on a 100% Denard to come out with the win, and I'm not sure I feel the same way with Devin yet.
I'd agree if Denard would be completely 100%. Problem is he won't be...not for at least a few months according to everything I've heard about the injury.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
The question I answered wasn't, "What offense do you think M will run on Saturday?", the question was, "If Denard is 100%, do you start Denard or Devin?". I don't think we'll start only Denard or go back to the pre-Iowa offense, and I recognize how well Gardner has played in his three starts. I just happen to think if both are at 100% I'd start Robinson on Saturday, for the reasons I gave above.
Also, like I said above, I could easily be wrong. Either way, the question is predicated on both players being 100%, and didn't ask what offense we thought we would see in Columbus.
I would've agreed almost 100% with what you're saying. The biggest difference that I see is our Oline. It's not even close to being as effective as it was last year. I just don't know if we'll get the push we'd need to replicate last year's performance w/ Denard.
For reference; I've been smacking people down for a month now as they kept blathering about how Denard should play RB and Devin QB. I'm starting to second guess myself.
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I hate how I agree with your last sentence.
Special Teams means special times!
Braxton Miller, definitely.
Devin Gardner, definitely.
THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS
Who cares who starts, as long as one of the two of them play well. If Denard starts and is off, then Devin comes in and owns. Or vice versa.
I think Devin Gardner should start, it is
The state pays for it, it is
Gardner at QB, Denard at RB.
This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
with Fitz out. We need a credible RB in the backfield, Denard gives that and so much more. Let's see what crazy plays Al can dream up this weekend!
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
Our best chance to win is to have Devin at QB and Denard sharing the backfield as an RB/Slot. If he is able to throw then it's an added bonus, maybe he can catch them by surprise a few times.
I hope he gets to throw a few passes but I find it verrrrrrry hard to argue against the fact that Gardner gives us the best chance to win at QB.
I've decided to lay off the food for a while, and go on the booze.
I want to see Denard use the step up throw that ruined Notre Dame in 2010.
3-3-5 til the day I die y'all
dream on... not happening with this coaching staff
WHAT we saw against Iowa...just endless opportunity, and from what I have seen in three games against standard/subpar defenses, Devin is in a groove and is the man for the job. Mixing Denard in at RB, SLOT, WR, QB, WILDCATISH...defense has to find him on the field at all times. With Iowa you could see the entire defense shift depending on where Denard lined up and with good reason to boot...Devin is the natural qb for this offense, Denard is too great of a man, too great of an athlete to sit on the sideline or go out without some sort of effort from him anywhere and everywhere on that field. Nothing against Denard, I want to see him go out with a win against ohio under the best possible circumstances for the TEAM...THE TEAM...THE TEAM.
I hate this scenario, but I think Gardner starts at QB, Denard at RB. Frankly it seems to be the most effective way to get both athletes on the field at the same time.
it lets both utilize their strengths - Devin's throwing and pocket presence and Denard's running.
I was debating with someone about this BEFORE the iowa game. Before the Iowa game I would've said Denard, but I think you have to go with Devin now. You can always switch it up if things aren't working.
OR, maybe you start Denard to mind-fuck ohio. I don't really know. That's why I'm not Brady Hoke.
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
Both. The Devin Denard packaged worked well when Denard couldn't throw, and could be even more dangerous if Denard has a passing option. You could always swing Gardner out as an WR on plays and put Denard under center.
At qb, denard has struggled throwing the ball before injury, we couldn't get into the endzone. Devin has been better, play denard like we did last week, it is what is best for the team.
Denard Robinson......They're not going to catch him!
It's all about DENARD.
It's funny how people were crucified on this site for having an opinion just a week ago, now those opinions have become reality. What a difference one game makes.
I change--what do you do sir?"
/obscure economist reference
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
Not obscure. At leat by economist standards, he's pretty much as well known as any.
"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"
There's often an uderlying "mob mentality" within this forum. Once a critical mass of popular members adopt an opinion it becomes the norm and everyone who disagrees gets crucified.
Why do people act like mgoblog is the only place this happens? It happens on pretty much every website on the internet and really in real life too.
But I think the reason people have a problem with it here more than other places is because the people on this board fancy this place to be somewhere that rational thought and open discourse prevails. Often it is but in instances where that turns out not to be the case it smacks of hypocrisy and that's I think what irritates people.
*awaits crucifixion* :P
This is very true and what kinda bothers me about this board is that this kind of "board orthodoxy" gets enforced in the moderation.
For example a couple weeks ago there was a thread saying Gardner should be the starter even if Denard was healthy.
That thread was locked.
I did not agree with that opinion and still don't. I wouldn't have participated in the discussion had the thread remained unlocked, but why shouldn't other people have been allowed to discuss it if they want to?
Yes, yes, this is a privately owned site, I get that, but, the modding here is downright draconian at times when there are relevant topcs that aren't even allowed to be on the table for discussion.
It is easy, Gardner. The offense is better with him at QB.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
He's played too well to not let him start at QB. Denard should play the role that he played last week-- if he can throw, it makes him that much harder to defend. I think this is especially true with Fitz being out.
As in starts- the first guy under center? That will be Denard. But I see it being like last week the rest of the game. I think Denard can throw - but probably not 40yds with accuracy.
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I think the Fitz injury may make this question irrelvent... Devin at QB, Denard at TB
The offense has proven it does not need the big 6'4" WR, so Devin isn't needed there. Get both on the field at the same time = Denard at TB is more needed than Devin at WR.
Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons
my first reaction was like..
but then im like...
echo everyone's thoughts. It'd be nice to run that option play but instead of a pitch, a forward pass deep... that or a QB Oh Noes. I wish Hoke was more tight lipped about Denard this week.
Denard can do that.
Personally I think you put them both on the field, but preferably have the guy with a 190+ QB rating throwing the ball off play action, and keeping Ohio's safeties honest.
Ohio has a fine team right now and probably comes in a big favorite.
But this November has been kind of weird. I think Michigan pulls off a big upset.
Our offense the way it is now with Gardner at QB and Robinson being moved around has proved effective and hard to stop. Keep it that way and keep Ohio guessing. Gardner's arm against their devensive backfield is an advantage we have to take. Theres no fucking around THE TEAM, THE TEAM, THE TEAM, we need this one.
'Try growing up in Texas a Michigan WOLVERINE'.
I'm very glad that it's a legitimate question at this point.
Before Iowa, I would have said Denard at QB, same offense we were running before Nebraska. After the last game, things are looking a little different.
First of all, Denard hasn't had much time practicing at QB of late. He was almost completely out of practice for two weeks, and his practice last week was limited, at least as far as passing is concerned. This would make it harder for him to step in and pilot the offense as he has in the past.
Second, Devin has really impressed me with his accuracy lately. Competion caveats are warrented, but he's looked really good.
And lastly, the offense they cooked up last week with Devin and Denard lining up all over the field was absolutly tantalising. If I knew that both QBs were 100% going into The Game, and for some reason I was in charge of dictating Michigan's offensive game plan (let's all hope this never happens), I'd base the offense around what we saw against Iowa, with more time for Denard at QB, even throwing some passes.
Denard at 100% or the same as he was last week changes nothing for me. I think he's technically the "starter" but I hope/expect that Devin gets the most reps at QB with Denard mixed in liberally wherever/whenever possible.
Basically the same thing I've felt should at least be given a real chance for the last two seasons.
I'm in with "Both." I think you go for broke, have both of them in the backfield, and between Denard running, Devin running, Devin passing, and even Denard passing, Devin receiving and Denard receiving, you drive the Ohio defense crazy. At this point, winning in Columbus makes it worth the risk. If they're next to each other, it makes it that much harder for the defense to know what to do.
I do think that even if Denard is at 100%, he isn't the passer that Devin is. I don't know what kind of runner Devin is, because we really haven't seen anything but scrambles.
"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi
I like Devin starting at QB and Denard doing his QB/RB/WR thing. Get the best out of the Devin passing offense with the Denard run game.
Hail to the Victors!
Mandatory Denard pick.
Just so long as we see some sort of triple-reverse-flea-flicker craziness, I'm game for anything.
there is enough deception/mis-direction with the rest of the scheme to resort to triple reverses.