I'm going to watch FYS against Indiana - should be hilarious.
Saturday, October 12, 2013 - Early Game Thread
Mack brown retirement party starts now
Mack brown retirement party starts now
edit: so nice, I said it twice
Texas has looked great all game - Big Upset. Greg Robinson has really turned this team arond ... never thought i'd be saying that.
Lube up Texas
That dump to TE by Indiana off read option should be nice for us, btw.
Hook 'em, Horns!! Beat OU.
TD Indiana on option LOL
Indiana just did that.
Well, Indiana got this one started exactly as they might have liked - unusual for Indiana to do that on a rushing play, but all the same, TD Hoosiers and 7-0 after the PAT.
"Elite, SEC/NFL type defense"
Huge blown play by either Bullough or Lewis.
Coleman is the real deal for Indiania. We got to watch out for him next week.
They look fun.
Seriously though - these Baylor Oregon Indiana Northwestern type offenses have become very difficult to adjust to. I was looking at NCAA stats and some 20 teams average 500+ yards per game. UM is 75th at 400 sheesh.
Yards per play is probably the best way to adjust for that.
Well my larger point is 400ypg used to be a hell of an offense, now its below the average. Crazy times.
and old school partisans here like it or not. We could just get swept away on the rising tide of mixed and spread offenses. This is really a pretty big looming question.
Replay showed LB's slooooooooow to react.
I don't care who wins (well Indiana would be cool) but I'd just like to see 40+ put up on this "elite defense" who has stymied the likes of winless WMU and 1 win USF.
Did IU seriously just gash State for an early TD? My.
Sweet draw play there Sparty.
And FYS stuffed on third down...
What a horrible play call for Sparty on that 3rd down
I agree on wanting to see IU shred this defense. So sick of hearing about how elite they are when haven't played more than one team this year resembling a competent offense
I don't get why Michigan State refuses to run the ball. They looked okay doing it against ND with a healthy OL and came out last week throwing like 50 passes with Connor Cook.
Dammit Roushar!!!!! Oh...dammit Bollman!!!!
This is a true sophomore QB by the way for Indiana...
Now I don't get why Indiana isn't running the football.
Paul Carcaterra's hair is extremely shiny. Hair care tips from Steve Lavin?
Spartans gonna spart
That is textbook Sparty Noooo.
Sparty gonna Spart.
Sparty NO - personal foul on 3rd down for Hoosiers -- pathetic
It's the good ole Spartans of yesteryear - destroying good plays with dumb brain farts
4 minutes of unnecessary roughness so far. 1st down IU!
hahaha omg personal foul on Michigan State gives IU a first down when they should be punting. 60 mins of unnecesary roughness. Sparty Nooooo
Lol it isn't a state game without a few personal foul calls
Does Oregon State play Washington State the same week as UO-UW every year? Is this like the JV game on Thursday?
Despite getting stopped there, Indiana has already put up 123 yards of offense in this game in only 10 plays, so the early returns are not bad at all here. I am sure this will change, but Michigan State will be working its way up from 7 yards of offense so far on this coming drive.
just to say SPUCK FARTY.
Thanks. The board is better off for this nugget of knowledge.
What the hell is up with sparty play calling?
Dantonio's lost his mind. If you're going to suck, just lean into it and take your 2:00 off the clock with three runs and a punt.
What do you mean? It's the same as it's been for the last two seasons...
All of the ag majors get a major fail!
Pretty sure Dennard just held the receiver but whatever.
You can hold every plat at MSU in the DB because they are only going to call it 2-4x a game
do it all game long and (mostly) get away with it too.
Roushar and Bollman. Jesus MSU O is awful.
O my goodness that third down tackling.
Impressive moves in backfield for a 6'5 QB sheesh
Ouch terrible drop by the OU WR there.
Sparty D is going to get a fumble from IU QB before too long.
Man, Sparty is a joke
IU will put up yards on everyone. I wouldnt be too quick to judge - they will do the same to us.
What's the chop block rule? That sure looked legit from what little I know.
You can legally chop block if the guy is not engage with anyone else. In that play the LB was already being blocked by the center, so it was the right call.
a defender who is 'engaged' with another blocker gets blocked below the waist by a second guy.
I'd rather face Venric Mark than this kid. Very dangerous running back.
WTF too much time? Indiana?
Even in Lansing I fully expect Indiana to beat sparty today.
to write 'bat', but it was perfect anyway.
Edit: unnecessary fix sir.
The stupid seems to be concentated in SS today -- Indiana falling victim to it.
most frightening teams in the BIG10, IMO.
The worst defensive penalty - in my mind - is lining up in the neutral zone. Mizzou sacks Georgia on 3rd and 12, but nullified by a DE in the neutral zone. Georgia goes on to score the game's first TD. Bad, bad, bad.
Oklahoma always starts slow.
Not in South Bend.
I don't know.
the TX cheerleaders always look fine. Oregon and SC may have the hottest looking groups. NEED MOAR PHOTOS TO COMPARE.
Sorry...SC = South Carolina
McCoy was just destroyed
Hey, it's Tony Mandaroid...
Why, why is it called a come to jesus talk.
Let's honor Tony "Steroids" Mandarich
one of the biggest busts ever. until Ryan Leaf that is.
he was drafted ahead of Barry Sanders! BWAaaaahahahahaha!
Great camera work on that fumble replay in the UT/OU game.
Indiana tackles really well
"Lets take Mandarich forget about that Barry Sanders guy."....
Be glad they did...otherwise lions fans would have literally nothing to be proud of for the last 60 years.
They were really young 2 years ago.
Next year, they could be better than average. Kind of scary.
And their offense isn't that good. While explosive it isn't nearly as nearly as skilled as the elite offenses. IU's is doing a lot on scheme.
Man, IU is giving the biggest cushions I've ever seen
Sorry, Funchess plays for Big Brother.
They are hogs
IU needs to tighten this coverage. Ate they that afraid of MSU's passing game?
Unfortunately Mattison will play the same, CBs off 5-7 yards ... frustrating to watch.
Very. It makes sense against certain teams/players, but MSU? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Credit to Lippett for holding onto the ball after getting lit up.
MSU offensive line not good at run blocking but past few weeks have kept Cook clean from almost any pass rush.
Holy shit Texas
In case anyone was curious, Indiana has the 81st best pass defense in Division I football thus far this year, giving up some 250 yards or so a game on average. If it is looking bad, that's only because it sort of is.
Dantonio in love with his gadget plays but overall nice drive, took a lot of time off clock. IU no pressure on QB entire drive.
Again, when the 7 yard hitch is so open because the defenders are playing 10 yards off, there's no time to get pressure.
= RPS +3. F#ck.
Pick-six for Texas?
Ekeler is a co-defensive coordinator (Nebraska alum). You'd think Indiana would eventually improve on defense.
They just don't have the athletes to field good defenses.
Yep - you can scheme offense to compensate for athleticism but not defense. Northwestern has the same issue although they obviously have better athletes than Indiana on D.
To be fair, IU had I think the 4th or 5th best class in the Big Ten last year. They even managed to reel a top 150 guy or 2 from down south. Nothing to really write home about, but for IU, it was pretty damn good.
Ekeler went to USC and Mallory is one of if not the worst defensive coach in the big ten. He has never been good and there has been no improvement.
If by shut down you mean IU gives themselves 25 yards in penalties to take themselves out of scoring opportunity, then misses wide open guy who would have had huge gain, then yes, I suppose.
41 yards on 3 drives is being shutdown.
The guy was wide open, how can he miss him?
"his feet were not set" /drink
ESPN had a stat line for Clowney on their box score declaring "started game."
And there's the IU D that lost to Navy
The announcing for this MSU game is mind numbing.
No wonder why Indiana and MSU is a "protected rivarly", they both like to shoot themselves in the foot.
nice sparty derpty derp there
Indiana looks awful. I wanted to watch this game but there's not much to keep me interested. State is boring even with their new championship level QB. Corp Cook.
So, Michigan State connects in the same situation that Indiana found itself in minutes ago - 3rd down, everyone spills towards the line leaving no one near a receiver, almost too easy. If not for some mental mistakes and better execution, Indiana might have 21 right now.
IU #37 never learned tackling
GERG that was here? I don't believe it
Wow, IU really doesn't want to win this do they?
Apparently, neither does MSU.
wow why throw in the backup QB there? I mean it worked but interesting
This is IU's version of Forcier/Robinson. Two capable QBs with different skill sets.
I'm playing a new drinking game where I drink any time there is a dumb mention of time of posession.
I'm also going to buy a dialysis machine.
Just don't forget the DD and you'll be good to go.
Indiana gets in the red zone and pounds it up the gut looking for a field goal!!!
Sick catch by Hoosiers there -- nice TD
Touchdown HOO HOO HOO HOOSIERS
Funchess can do that all day if the ball is thrown like that
And we got a barnburner! In the battle for the Brass Spittoon, you can throw out the record books!
TD was thrown by Roberson, Joey. Not Sudfield. This announcing team is ridiculous
Texas up 17-3? Wow.
The GERGfese has scored more points than it has allowed so far.
Damned skippy!! Hook 'em!!!!!
on the sooners
I wouldn't have believed it, and I still think they lose. They do have momentum at home though, and that's powerful..
The RRR is never in Austin or Norman. It is at nobody's home.
True, it's in Dallas. Which is still in Texas. I don't know about the geography (except that I know Texas if freaking huge, and Dallas and Austin aren't that close) but it still seems like the crowd would always favor Texas, even if it's just slightly.
I never understood the neutral-site rivalry games. Why would either team, especially the out of state team? give up the home game? It's the same with Florida-Georgia. It would be kinda like Michigan deciding to play someone in Detroit or Chicago every year.
Even msu's awful offense is gonna move the ball at will on this crap soft coverage
we play the same defense
Missouri is spanking GA at home too. Now 21-10 Mo.
Edit: Mo defensive TD - now 28 - 10!
They are missing a lot of their top playmakers at receiver and running back. Still defense is giving up a lot.
looks particularly great. Not even Ohio, NW.
you mean the same as every year since 2007? :)
They have so much Gerg in them.
Penn State couldn't bowl that over.
Maybe MSU is just good now?
While it is possible. Indiana's DL is awful, has been all year not just today.
Missouri legit in the SEC SEC SEC?
Against Georgia's second team offense at least.
SEC East possibly. Now that Georgia is so banged up Missouri looks like a legitimate threat to win it and get killed by Bama/LSU/A&M in the conference championship. They get Florida and S.Car at home and there only other difficult game is A&M (also at home).
On another note the SEC has to go to 9 games. Bama's schedule is a joke. There is a clear top 4 in the SEC East and yet again Bama misses all of them.
I don't think Georgia has any starters left.
your D is crap when STAEE moves the ball at will.
Mmmmmmmkay? Actually makes me feel better about our game with PSU.
Has indiana touched Cook once all game behind the LOS?
What the hell is the IU defense doing?
It's called FAILING.
We may be expecting far too great of things from this team today. This is Indiana after all.
Yeah, but it makes no sense. They're playing 10 yards off and vacating the short middle constantly. Cool is hitting 5 yard passes and the WR runs 5 more before even being touched. It's just mind bottling. MSU doesn't have the offense to require that level of respect. IU is playing right into MSU's hand.
Indiana gets zero pressure on the QB and plays a soft zone - recipe for disaster
That's why it pisses me off we do that 77% of the time.
That was close to a safety
Indiana's kick returner is a mess.
umm coach that is twice your KR fumbled in the end zone, how about a switch?
It seemed like a lot of the media spent this week talking about how there haven't been any major upsets so far this season. Looks like we might get a few from the noon games today.
It is interesting to watch - Michigan State is just about 40 yards shy of allowing more than their per game average of 210 yards per game, which is indeed good for #1 in Division I football. They've definitely slowed down Indiana, but Indiana has been able to hurt the Spartans a little more than other teams all the same.
This is gonna be interesting
They suggested Sparty could go to the B1G championship game. I laughed, thought about the rest of the conference, and realized that actually might be a possibility.
I expect MSU to lose @NW and @Neb. But I expect all teams in the division to have around 2 losses. NW could be 0-2 after today and UM obviously has OSU, that neither MSU or Neb has. Those 2 teams have a favorable schedule. UM cannot lose today IMO and stay in the hunt for division unless the OSU game is a win because they still have to face NW Neb and MSU. I think @NW will be a loss for UM, and @MSU will be a toss up. MSU has as good of a chance as anyone - their only "trap" game is @ILL a week ahead of UM. They play Purdue - we play OSU ... strength of schedule big time in their advantage.
It's definitely a possibility! That's a must win game for us to have a clear path to title game. If State wins they will probably walk to the title game.
They still would have to play NW and Nebraska. They may well be the underdog in both games.
Coach D, true genius moves. Those timeouts he saved used wisely.
What did you want him to do with those? It's not like you can roll them over.
At least he knows that. John L Smith didn't.
I don't know, not use them like a normal person?
They wanted a shot to try and block the punt and got that shot. It was either let time run out or try and make a play on a blocked punt. Really don't see how this move gets criticism.
why not try to score a TD?
They can't move the ball at the moment and MSU took time outs to force 4th down with time left. That's not a Zook punt.
Will they bring their female announcer?
Better than Ed Cunningham
That is the most personality I have ever heard out of Dantonio.
Holy crap Texas is up 17 now. GERG!
Edit: As soon as I switched to the game the tackling got appropriately GERGified
Bass ackward game. Indiana is running and MSU is throwing.
That Oklahoma fight song is horrible.
And they play it all the freaking time
For an all out block call they didn't get very close at all.
The Bachelor just said "with Greg Robinson at coordiantor, we are seeing less vanilla, more exotic pressures"
I would love to know what exactly that means - was he talking about "exotic pressure" as in successfully holding a running play to under, say, 7 or 8 yards or was it like a linebacker blitz where you blitz one of your own linebackers?
To be fair to the guy, he's no longer being asked to run a defensive scheme he isn't familiar with. If he could have run his own schemes here, we probably still would have been bad-to-mediocre, but not the total tire fire we were.
Galloway has no idea what he's talking about
Sparty is looking better and better every week and Ind is going to be a pesky team for us, we better be ready for them next week.
Looking better and better against Indiana? Indiana has no defense and they are a team MSU should handle.
MSU in driver seat for legends with us having to go there. They have the best schedule and you could argue have played the best ball in the last 3-4wks.
really hoping for some sparty nooo and a miracle IU upset. admit it or not MSU has a lot of momentum right now.
midway through a game, but I have continually seen mgoblog posters lamenting that some other team was going to kill us, etc. based on the midway score of some game. Baffles me. It's agame of emotions, with 18-22 year-olds playing. . .
You clearly forgot about the ND game obviously. And hammering Youngstown state means nothing.
Is anyone else watching (glancing at from time to time because who can really watch this) the ironman world championship in between snaps?
while they really suck? I think Hazell will make them better, but man, it would be nice to blast them this year.
What the shit is IU's pass D doing?
How was that not a motion penalty on MSU?
Beilema might be recording his choice right about now. Heading to a 4th straight loss with Bama and LSU still on the schedule. Tough schedule, but they have also lost to Rutgers and struggled with Samford. All there wins have come against bad to awful competition.
Sweet holy Moses! How did PSU not score 50 on IU?
In PSUs defense, IU played really really well that day. Feelings ball and all, but that was my take. Any team can beat anyone any day.
MSU offense doing fine - yes bad defense - but nice play designs today and execution
give credit to MSU's offense for executing plays where guys are wide open by yards. Also, the fact that this team managed to beat PSU gives me alot of confidence for tonight. They look fucking inept.
You can be in denial all you want. MSU OL is giving Cook ALL DAY. He is 18 of 26 and showing better accuracy - he still can't throw the long ball but heck if he did that he'd look great. That said EVERY QB looks great when he has all day to pass. This is my worry with UM - the caliber of QBs is going up and we give the Akrons of the world lots of time to pass, so half decent QBs playing a soft zone are going to prosper
I know Indiana's defense is bad but MSU is exploiting them, that is all you can ask of the offense. Of course MSU is responding to success as they always do as we speak.
I've taken away that their O line is for real. It's going to be tough getting in there.
Nothing special in run blocking but pass blocking has been excellent this week and last week. ND really I cant remember getting to COok that much either.
Their pass blocking is good, but run blocking not so much.
to execute when the team you're playing can't tackle. Also helps when they're playing 12 yards off your mediocre WRs and manages to leave TEs open by 10 yards in the middle of the field on 3rd and 11.
Coaching Indiana football is an exercise in futility, but well, there's the money.
Oklahoma is missing him right now.
LOL what a blatant PI. But Narduzzi is smart - do that all day and they only call it 2x a game
The yellow flags.
2013 MSU secondary.
should get flagged ten freakin times a game.
helping Ind stay in the game. I hope Sparty commits dumb penalties against us.
It's not like they're bad luck. That's how MSU plays. They expect to get flagged sometimes, but they know the refs won't always call it.
That little #1 is a quick bugger.
bad the BIG10 really is at football this year. What the hell happened. Oh look, Indiana brings game within 7 pts.
I don't really disagree, but I think at least the lower tiers of the all the other power conferences would be pretty even with those of the B1G, minus Purdue.
If this IU defense wasn't completely porous, I think they'd have this game in hand.
But guys, except for the times MSU's D busts spectacularly because of the hyper aggressive play, the D is playing awesome!
I think that was the obligatory drive each game which the Spartans essentially hand to the other team, and well done this time! TD Hoosiers.
Also, down in West Lafayette, Purdue is trudging along at about 3.5 yards per snap on average, whereas Nebraska is moving just a little faster.
Is there a worse kick off team, both kicking and receiving, in the nation than IU?
Arkansas gonna lose again? More #karma?
Lucky there. That's a fumble
It's really hard to judge teams in our conference because we have several with deficiencies on one side of the ball (Indiana, Nebraska, MSU was this, Northwestern) and then there's Purdue. I don't have a clue what Illinois, Penn State or Iowa are. Ohio is decent.
All in all I don't think the conference is very strong and I can't really get a read on these teams until we play them.
Well a month ago MSU was a black hole on offense while Nebraska was a black hole on defense. I'd say MSU's offense has improved more than Nebraska's defense in that time. Meanwhile NW's defense is suspect. As for us we have no idea what our offense will be in any week as its very dependent on how Devin plays.
All teams with issues, and if you threw them all in cage match on neutral fields I'd expect a lot of 5-5 win loss in 10 game series between any of these teams.
Yup, and I think the supposed top team OSU would get smoked by an Oregon, Alabama, LSU and maybe even Stanford.
228 yds to 322 yds for MSU
13 min to 26 min TOP thus far
Indiana doesnt need much time to score of course which is why they wont be out of it unless it gets >14 late.
I swear that ball is coming out before he hits the ground.
Feeling like Mizzu playing not to lose with those punts. Probably the best strategy with all the UGA injuries on offense but one more TD would seal the deal.
This is the same Indiana D that gave up 35 to Ind St. and 41 to Navy.
And then only 20 to Penn State. BIG TEN.
If this is the "real" IU D then the game next week should be less stressful than perhaps most thought.
Can tackle. Never.
Gardner and Co can hit 50 on this team if they play well.
high scoring game sparty, who knew
crazy. So is Baylor going to run the table in that conf? hah
Baylor is unproven IMO. That conference won't last, I think Okla, Okla St., Texas & Texas Tech will go to the Pac "16" eventually and the other teams will have to fend for themselves, maybe the B1G should gobble up Baylor to get into Texas when we go to 16 teams.
Never assume the XP will be made
They have so many injuries I don't think it makes sense to drop them out of the top ten. They are in the SEC. Give them a break.
Yeah, they got hammered. Lost their top three receivers and one RB for the year. The other stud RB is out for a short time as well.
I can't believe this the best talent in the nation ESPN could assemble.
Yes it is scary. By definition this would be the 4th best crew for ESPN/ABC? ABC 8 PM game gets #1, ESPN gets #2 and #3 and ESPN2 would get #4 and #5?
Mizzou is going to regret not going for it from UGA's 40.
13 carries, 277 yards, and 4 TD's versus Ron English's EMU Eagles. This is the greatest march by an Army officer since Sherman tore through Georgia and the Carolinas.
(paraphrasing) "...hope we don't lose a heartbreaker to OSU in the B1G Championship game."
What a joke.
UGA scores a TD. 20-28 late in the 3rd. All momentum to the home team right now.
I am an unabashed Big 10 homer as you all probably know, but objectively speaking - the conference was probably the worst it's ever been last year. And to start this year it was better, but still not good. I think a lot of teams have really started to improve as the season has gone on. All a team really needs is a spark on one side of the ball like MSU against Iowa and Nebraska against Illinois. We have young teams all across the conference so the improvement is noticeable. We're not at the PAC 12 or SEC level, but give the conference just TWO years of coaching stability and we'll get there.
AD's need to start turning all that BTN money over to coaching/asst coaching salaries.
I have said this before but the key is QBs. There used to be guys like Chuck Long at Iowa and Jeff George at Illinois. More recently Brees at Purdue. It simply is the most important position in the sport by a country mile. Compare that to what those teams now get. If you get more quality QBs in the Big 10 it makes everyone look good. Right now how many QBs are serious NFL candidates? I am not saying the BIg 10 used to have 10 NFL type QBs but the level of QB play in this conference has been very bad for quite a while. There might be some hope now as Indiana and NW now play a 00s Purdue style offense (which doesnt necessarily mean the QB is great), PSU has what could be a great QB, etc.
I will use UM as an example right now, Devin when he is "on" can hide a lot of personnel deficiencies. So goes the same for a lot of average Big 10 teams. We need better QBs in this conference.
I would argue that Gardner, Siemian, Miller, Stave, and maybe Hackenburg are definitely great QBs and the rest of the conference really just has stand ins - the thing is, even system QBs can be really good if given more than 2 years in a system. If the current coaches stay on for some time, those Mitch Leidners can turn into Kirk Cousins. It's not that surprising, though that MSU has had QB struggles with Roushar leaving. Cook will definitely improve and will be a threat in the coming years.
Texas' defense is dominating.
"never set his feet!" /Drink
Sparty has 35 points at the end of the third? Texas is destroying Oklahoma? Lolwut.
MSU's reality is although they are undefeated and seem to have an improving Offense, they have played one team that could be considered "decent" on the national stage. They lost that game.
MSU lost to ND, so they are not undefeated in reality.
Whoops, yes you are correct. Either way their schedule to date is not impressive.
Has our schedule been impressive?
Most of the Big 10 has bad schedules becaue they load up on MAC teams (not named Northern ILL) and other Big 10 teams.
No it has not either. The Jeff Sagarin rankings have us currently with the 122nd ranked strength of schedule. There are a total of 252 teams in these rankings (both FBS and FCS, I think). The only thing we can hang our hat on so far is the ND win.
Wow texas might pull off a real upset here. Greg Robinson has really turned that defense around .... never thought I'd say that.
Anyone got a good link to stream some games? Deployed to Egypt, firstrow is not working (hasnt for the last two weeks for me), and BTN international is not showing the Michigan - PSU game.
Any help would be appreciated.
First row is a little wierd now after the original site got blown up. It seems like there's three different sites for that service. Try this one (http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/american-football.html). If that's what you've been using and it's not working, give (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv) a shot, or (http://www.vipboxonline.eu/sports/american-football.html).
Vipbox.tv is what I used back in the day. Not sure if it works anymore but it's worth a shot
I've been using day.to for Tigers games. The feed cuts out every once in a while, but refreshing brings it right back. Looks like it has all the football games today. Quality is good and no ads if you use adblocker with Chrome.
I can't believe this Red River Rivalry
has looked awful since halftime.
Between UGA's adjustments and Gary Pinkel taking his foot off the gas, Mizzou lost control of the game in the 3rd Q.
Don't worry NE D is not great! Purdue's O is horrible! M can take NE!
We play New England this year? F'!
I didn't assume extra point that time
Man, McCoy. That's a jawdropping, simply big-time throw. Holy shit.
The Spartans are gaining 5.85 yards per snap now while only giving up only 4.72 yards per snap, and they've also conversted all but two of their third downs. Even more interesting, if I counted right, Indiana has only about 70 yards of offense to their name in this half.
Sparknotes: Michigan better spank Penn State tonight.
Not a big TOP guy but holding the ball for 15 more minutes than another team is pretty ridiculous. Also MSU with 13 minutes or whatever to go is holding IU offense to half their season total on offense. IU defense obviously very suspect - but you need to put 35+ on them to offset the offense that even with 15 minutes of possession can put up 3 TDs.
What the hell is going on today?
start questioning Bob Stoops?
They've been questioning him for a while but who are they going to get that is better? He's beaten UT 3 years in a row before this year. His bowl records haven't been great but I still think he's a good coach.