My thoughts? The lions are going to get run out of their own building on the national stage, while Calvin does his best to carry the entire offense. I have no real faith that the Lions can win tonight, but I've been surprised before.
Saturday Night Football: ATL vs DET Open Thread
if ~Herm had beaten you to the punch after the young MGoBloggers quip.
CJ deserves to be on a winning team with a coaching staff that cares about the program. No wonder Barry left this franchise the way he did.
Called Monday Night Football on Saturday. Seems legit.
Hahaa I saw that too, and then got really confused for a couple seconds. Like how the f*** is it monday and I didn't go to work
Alright Lions do what you always do and earn that high draft pick.
in my fantasy championship. I need the Lions to keep it close.
Racking up points so far.
QB2. I have Rodgers as well. My team is stacked this year.
25 pts thus far.
I'll just prepare myself for the inevitable Lions-induced face palm.
Oh wait, there we go.
Calvin fumble + Lions penalty.
Yep, that's our team, all right.
we lost our coach this season. what's your excuse?
Raising that 2012 playoff participation banner was bad luck. Should've done that before the season without the hoopla like the Wings do for division titles.
That's a TD, and a nice one, too.
This video seems appropriate
I'm not a Lions fan. If I were, after watching this game, I might choose a 2nd team to watch tomorrow, like the Pats. It's like boys against men.
Yes. This is exactly what I want to do. I'm going to become a Pats fan. Also, I'm going to start rooting for Alabama football, Kentucky basketball, SF Giants, LA Kings, Heat, and Man U. I love jumping on bandwagons instead of rooting for my hometown teams. It's so much more fun that way.
I became a Pats fan the during the Millen years. Once you accept the truth that the Lions will never win a championship under the Ford family regime, it becomes easier.
You realize that Illitch bought the Tigers in '92, had 12 losing seasons, including an 119 loss season, correct? He only started pouring money into the Tigers once the NHL got capped. I take it during those years you said the Tigers would never win with Illitch as their owner, and started rooting for the Yankees?
During the late 80's-early 90's the Pats sucked too. They even had a 1-15 season. Are you still going to keep rooting for them if they hit another 1-15 year? Or are you going to jump back on the Lions bandwagon once they start winning?
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop rooting for my hometown team because they suck. I've been spoiled with Michigan football, the Wings, the Pistons to an extent, and more recently the Tigers. One shitty pro sports team to root for isn't really that bad. Plus it makes it more fun when they actually win.
Last 50 years, name the one constant for the Lions. /argument.
The Fords have a history of being cheap with both the coaches and the general manager. You get what you pay for.
I still root for the lIons, but I am not delusional to believe that Schwartz and Mayhew are not the second coming of the Millen regime. The Lions are IMO, the worst franchise in professional sports. That is saying a lot considering Jordan's mishandling of the Bobcats. Illitch prior to buying the Tigers had a history of turning a franchise around in the Wings. The Fords have done NOTHING in 50 years. NOTHING. They have let cronyism run rampant in the administration.
I guess I'm failing to see that there was an "arguement" to begin with.
I'm not denying that the Ford's are horrible owners. But even the beloved Illitch was once owner of one the worst franchise in sports. Honestly, if the NHL was still un-capped, and Illitch still owned the Tigers, do you think the Tigers would be where they are today?
Look, if you want to start rooting for teams you have no affliation with just because they win, that's on you. I guess I just don't understand it.
Illitich had already proven he could be a good owner with the Wings. And the Tigers were bad for what, maybe a decade under his ownership? The Lions have been bad for over 50 YEARS under the Fords. There's a difference between not figuring it out yet, and not being able to figure it out.
I get not rooting for another team. I'm just not sure how one becomes a big fan of a team that's been bad their whole lifetime. Unless you are retirement age.
Bingo. The Fords are the one constant in the equation for the Lions. I am not saying I will not root for them. I will. However, the writing is on the wall. The Fords are cheap when it comes to the franchise. Hiring retread after retread or the latest flash in the pan assistant as the HC on the cheap gets you the current results. The Fords are terrible owners.
Illitch turn around the Wings in less than a decade from the Dead Wings era. Illitch has done the same with the Tigers. The Fords have done NOTHING in 50+ years. It is no comparison or it is a terrible comparison. There is a reason the public was pushing for Illitch to buy the Pistons.
50 years of futility is enough data to show what you are going to get with the Ford family.
and probably will have to pay something close to that for Stafford. The Lions under Russ Thomas were cheap, but not now.
I don't have an NFL team to root for, but the Pats are my favorite for the exact same reason.
It seems that some of us have found that a second team, one that actually wins, is more fun, particularly when the QB is a Michigan guy. You should lighten up, dude, The comment was tongue in cheek.
What a disappointing year, after last year got my hopes up. I should have known better than to get my hopes up too much with the Lions. So, yet again, I'm back to hoping they lose so they can get a higher draft pick. Feels like every year I'm doing that.
They still have so many needs. They need to draft better in the later rounds.
They need to stop wasting high picks on players with an injury history. Best and Broyles. Waste of two top picks. I didn't have a problem with the Lions taking them. They are both talented players. High risk high reward. They just took them way too high. Best should have went in the 2nd round at best, probably should have dropped to the 3rd round just because of injuries. I think Broyles is a great player, but he should have went more around round 4/5.
I really hope they can draft Te'o. I wanted him with the Lions ever since I saw him try to run down Gallon during the UTL game. Milliner would be my 2nd choice.
Even worse was the drafting of Titus Young and Fairley with all their history. Now I know they both can be productive if kept under control (especially Fairley), but that's a job for Belichick or Coughlin. The Lions can't afford to gamble on players with off the field issues right now.
Who is the character in your avatar? I can't remember the name.
Hahah, it's Brak from Space Ghost/The Brak Show.
I agree to an extent. They need some character, so I don't completely disagree with the drafts. Fairley hasn't really done anything to damage his self image besides being caught with weed. They just need to cut ties with Titus though. That guy is a cancer and should never play another down in the NFL again. Sucker punching a teammate is one thing, lining up wrong and running wrong routes on purpose after everything he's done is a disgrace.
They cut Aaron Berry as an example, but do nothing to the rest of the players that are actually causing problems.
Milliner over Te'o right now... The lions should be able to draft a decent LB in round two, corners are tough to come by
Calvin is really racking up the yards this half!!! At least there is that going for us at the minimum
Good thing we have one of the best players in the nfl at one position. History repeats itself. Congrats to Johnson though.
Draft 15 WRs and you're bound to get one...
Does Bell have any idea that getting out of bounds stops the clock? Twice he was running towards the sidelines then cut it upfield only to get tackled and keep the clock running. Unreal.
You forgot to point out that he nearly fumbled one of those times.
No way he would have made it. But he at least he should have attempted.
Exactly. He might have made it the first time, but he didn't even try. Both times his momentum was going towards the sidelines but then he decided to cut it upfield.
Should change the title to "Saturday Night Hilarity"
This is gonna be a long game. Enjoy watching Johnson though!
there are alot of "NO SHOWS" i can't believe more than half the stands are full
4 yards shy now.
God damn I love Calvin Johnson.
Fans chanting Calvin's name! 5 more yards for the record!
You're 4 and fucking 10...GO FOR IT YOU MORONS
And try to win? That would totally blow their chances of a higher draft spot. See, Schwartz knows what he's doing.
Unbelievable Schwartz...what do you have to play for? GO FOR IT.
Just dreadful from inside the 10. The QB draw in particular had no possible chance of success.
I actually didn't mind that play, if Peterman holds his block it seems like Stafford could have waltzed in.
I agree with this. It would also help if their second option wasn't Tony Scheffler and their third option a guy they picked up a few games ago (Mike Thomas).
Edit: No intended disrespect to your Bronco brethren.
This wasn't meant to go here.
That's the problem right there. You're relying on Steven Peterman.
I'm really looking forward to watching another once in a generation talent waste away with the Lions. Five bucks says he retires after 9 seasons because the Lions have robbed him of his competitive drive.
Wow, that was emo.
Stafford's first mistake of the game and its over.
Margin's always pretty thin when you have no defense
There it is.
Megatron! I think he also broke the Madden Curse.
Please sell the team to competent ownership WC Ford Jr.
Lolgan, I don't even know what to say.
ROFL...that free kick return was the icing on the cake.
That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen
How about wins? Or touchdowns?
thats all I can really say. what a joke. Preseason champs!
Is logan cut yet?
Takes the knee at the 4 yard line--not a defender in sight.
did he think he was in the endzone? wtf
Well... At least Calvin got me 47 pts in my PPR league championship game. Sadly, I'm playing against Ryan, who scored 56. -sigh
And now 51.
It has been said already, but I would fire Schwartz after kicking two FGs on 4th-and-short deep in Falcon territory. You are 4-10; grow some balls and try to win the game.
I support your message
Lol. It took those two calls for you to realize we should fire Schwartz? Apparently you don't watch very much Lions football.
I would have fired him after thanksgiving. To quote the RR years around here "UNACCEPTABLE". Except I'm serious in this case.
What seems to be left out of this calculation again and again is the positive value (for you) of the field position you've put the other team in even if you fail. That last offensive play from Atlanta highlights it.
......except you're still 4-10.....if the goal is to try and win games you go for broke no matter what
being 4-10 has no relevance (unless you are trying to lose for the draft choice).
You choose your plays to give yourself the maximum chance of winning. You play to win the game.
Have dodged that ball Logan threw him he wasn't down yet. Was in field of play and wasn't touched
If the ball carrier gives himself up the play is over. It was clear he was taking the knee intentionally.
Too bad you can't fire the owner
Oh shut up Gruden. One catch when the game is iced and it's tarnished? Johnson broke the record with in less receptions than Rice and Rice had a HOF QB throwing to him. And it's not meaningless; they can still possibly win this game.
ROFL...they can win this game....LOLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...breath...LOLOLOLOLOLOL...
Also, can Gruden stop it with the "meaingless yards" crap? I remember Rice setting that record with lots of receptions after the game was no longer in doubt. He played on some great 49er teams, and that '95 squad and won a couple of games by 20+ points. You don't break records without pouring it on at times, and that includes when you are winning or losing.
At this point? There's one more game left to get yards.
Since the lions can't run the ball like the niners did when rice was there. And since the lions never have a lead and are always going for big plays, even at the end of games, like last night. I like Calvin Johnson but comparing him to Jerry rice is like comparing Carmelo Anthony to Michael Jordan. Show me a playoff victory-rice can show you 4 rings.
So perhaps, just perhaps, Rice was helped out by a top rated QB and some other pieces... Like a running game and strong OL.
Just a thought.
He totally was. Calvin is a monster and the best receiver in the NFL. He earned the record so he deserves it but it doesn't matter as much until he wins.
That they've changed the rules o much to favor the passing game that you now have guys who throw or 5,000 yards so there's a lot more reception yardage to go around.
I'm sorry but Rice was twice the player Johnson is. Gruden is right. It's depressing that a record like that would belong to a lion. Anything to do with the lions is sad.
You can't be serious. Rice was twice the player that Calvin is? CJ is routinely double and triple teamed since the Lions #2 receiver was Staffords roommate at Georgia.
I have a ton of respect for Jerry Rice but he was nowhere near the athlete that CJ is. Oh, and CJ doesn't have Joe Montana, John Taylor, Roger Craig, TO or a solid OLine.
If you had the ability to build a WR, you would build Calvin Johnson.
I like Gruden, but he was acting like a complete dick towards the end of that game.
The Lions need new ownership. Sadly, that's never going to happen. I could easily see Megatron going the way of Barry Sanders: just one more elite, once in a generation talent that quits during the prime of his career because he's tired of playing for a team that does nothing but lose.
Schwartz is worthless. That is all.
My news years resolution is to give up watching the lions.
Teo anyone? I feel bad for Calvin, just like Barry before him, he deserves better... actually any Lions fan who wasn't alive in the 1950's deserves better : (
Do me a favor, as an alumnus of Michigan, to root for my Skins to close out the season with two wins against the Eagles and Cowboys. Thank you!
I will. At least your team is exciting and fun to watch.
Change the team name and colors. Hire Andy Reid. Trade Stafford. And for the love of god, run the ball.
said at his first press conference? "we are going to run the ball, and
stop the run in this division." Can we do either of those things? We are not terrible against the run but i would not say we stop it and we sure as heck can't run it.
What defines affiliation when it comes to professional sports? Do you live in Detroit yourself? I'd guess not. You root for the team simply because you grew up somewhere in Michigan and/or your Dad was a Lions fan. If you'd grown up in KC or Seattle or Tampa you'd most likely be a Chiefs or Seahawks or Bucs fan. Sports fandom is just a form of competitive tribalism—my family versus your family—and it's every bit as irrational and arbitrary. Are people only allowed to root for the professional team that's closest to where they reside?
I grew up in Grosse Pointe (but a long way from the mansion in Grosse Pointe Shores that Ford has lived in for decades) and being a Lions fan was natural at the time because my Dad was, and the Lions were one of the strongest NFL franchises in the late 50s and early 60s when I started paying attention to football. That all changed in '64 when Ford bought the franchise, and they started their slide into mediocrity and then incompetence. I was already disenchanted by the time they moved to the Silverdome in '75, and since I despise football played in a dome I fell still further away from fandom. By the mid-80s I stopped rooting for the Lions entirely, and I've seen no reason whatsoever in the subsequent 25 years to start rooting for them again.
That didn't mean I didn't have other teams to root for. Because I spent most of my summers in Colorado as a kid, I started following the Broncos, since I would follow their training camp and exhibition exploits in the Denver Post. I rooted for them long before they were Super Bowl contenders with Elway. I became a Pats fan because my Dad lived in the Boston area for over a decade and Brady had joined the team. I now root for the Bears because I love Chicago and love the fact they still play outside on grass in a venerable old structure that's now an architectural oddity (or atrocity, depending on your view). I'm not going to be a fan of a franchise that has been so atrociously run for 50 years of my life. That would be a masochistic endorsement of incompetence.
It's unfortunate for Detroit fans that it was Ford who bought the Lions, instead of Ralph Wilson, who's been the owner of the Bills since the AFL was founded in 1960. The Bills were AFL champions in '64 and '65, and went to 4 Super Bowls in a row in the late 80s and early 90s. Ironically enough, Wilson has also maintained a permanent residence in GP Shores for decades.
You live in the area. That is where you went to school, where you grew up, and often, where you work and met your spouse. The emotional connections are often deep and profound.
In relation to a sports team, the emotional connection comes with years spent cheering for the team alongside a loved one--most often a father. The fandom is an inheritance of sorts that passes from one generation to the next.
We all are tribal in some form or another. Whether it is political ideology, religion, or a sports team, we humans willing lump ourselves into a group.
I'm a Lions fan. I'll still cheer the team no matter what happens because I love football and they are the team that I have grown up watching. No team can give me the fond memories of watching Barry run or Spielman tackling because no team can give me the memories of watching these games with my dad or the years I emotionally invested in the team.
It's easy to cheer for another team besides the local losers. Any person can do that. But the loyal person, no matter how irrational they seem to be, is always a more virtuous than the person who forsakes that team to cheer teams who win all the time.
Yep. That's what made the '04 Pistons title so satisfying. Don's just an unloyal, pessimistic curmudgeon. The next time I hear him say something positive will be the first.
next wide reciever, then you guys will see. Their opponents won't be able to cover two good wide outs and the Lions will march down the field.
Big deal.The Lions' defense won't be able to stop their opponents from doing the same.
The Lions need offensive linemen and defensive backs.
A running back, moar offensive linemen, linebackers, defensive linemen, wide receivers, defensive backs, and a tightend that can catch the ball. But that's all really, not too many needs....
I believe ( at least hope ) there was some sarcasm in that statement.
The Matt Millen strategy. That worked well in the past.
Lions need MOAR Manball!
I saw on ESPN that the Lions' SOS is the highest in the league. Not only do they play in a tough division but it seems like they get the best of the rest Pats, Texans, 49ers, et al. Will there be any adjustment next year? How does NFL scheduling work?
You play an entire AFC and non NFC North division every year. This year we got the AFC South and the NFC West and then they have 6 games within the division so that's 14 games right there, and I believe the last 2 teams you play are derived from similar records from the previous year, hence Atlanta (10-6 last year) and Philadelphia (8-8).
If the rotation continues as it does the Lions will face the AFC North next year along with the NFC East, so it's not going to much easier next year. My biggest beef with the Lions schedule is why on earth do they get the best team in the league every Thanksgiving? Can't we get an average team for once on Turkey Day? PLEASE!?!?!?
Yeah I have had enough of the Patriots, Packers or Texans on Thanksgiving. So maybe next year we can get the Raiders or Eagles again, as similar record fillers, on Thanksgiving?
Try watching that game as a Falcons fan...or in fact ANY Falcons game this year as a Falcons fan...and wait for the commentary team to say something complimentary or positive about the season the team is having. If it is possible for a team that has secured home field advantage throughout the playoffs to fly under the radar to the point where they can play the Bill Simmons' "Nobody believed in us" motivational card, the 2012 Falcons are the team to do it.
Congrats to Megatron, though...the record may be a bigger accomplishment than being named All-American at Tech with Reggie Ball as his QB, but I'm not sure it's more impressive.