this may be of some local interest
Sammy Watkins to Clemson
Don't take it too hard sport, there'll be others
Great guy...anybody remember his letters from Ken Burns' Civil War series on PBS?
Can this kid play DT?
He could have announced on Saturday after the game. At least I've had a couple of days to recover from the game before hearing this news.
Don't you bring Rosco into this.
That sucks... I wonder what his reasons were, not that it matters at this point.
Over Michigan, all Clemson had to do was tell him the current program won't even be here in the next years and "look what happened during the first years of the last coaching change" and then pointed him to exhibit A of internet forum meltdowns of idiot Michigan fans screaming UNACCEPTABLE!!! in unison.
Recruiting against Michigan has to be so easy right now, seriously. I bet we don't land a single recruit who witnessed the boo'ing during the Iowa game. Then fans go online complain we aren't getting players we need blah blah. Self fulfilling prophecies....sigh.
I'm sure it is the people that come on here criticizing the coaching staff for their terrible conference record that caused this. It couldn't possibly be the terrible conference record itself. I'm sure Clemson has never had a negative fan reaction on a message board or in the stadium.
This is a good tactic you have, blame people with opposing views as your own for losing recruits in the hopes that you won't have to ever be in disagreement with another poster.
Is to pretend like your criticism has no real world impact whatsoever. That way you get the satisfaction and sense of self-worth that comes from criticizing things you find UNACCEPTABLE without having to worry about whether your catharsis comes at any real-world cost to anything.
First of all, its funny how you lump anyone that has criticism as part of the UNACCEPTABLE crowd. Thats a political tactic in itself, as trying to label a dissenting view as extreme. I've never once said "UNACCEPTABLE", and I've been pretty objective with my criticism of the coaching staff.
Second, the point of my post wasn't to conclusively say that message board and stadium negativity never have impact on recruiting, but more to say that there are many, many reasons why schools lose recruits. To point at message board and stadium negativity as the only possible explanation for losing one specific recruit is not logical.
The solution to criticism is easy: Don't replay the same game 4 different times against rivals we used to eat up, and criticism won't happen. People on this blog who are critical of Rich gotta be tipped pretty hard to do so. This is nothing like Mlive or Freep where flighty fans roll with the wind.
Give these kids a little credit. They can tell whether a situation works for them or not without reading fan blogs.
Not according to Craig Roh's father. The recruits do read the blog and do take the personal attacks to heart. That doesn't mean criticism isn't allowable but it does mean we shouldn't crank the volume to 11 after every loss, especially when all the measurables point to expectation for a loss.
The only game we've lost this year that I expected to win going into it was Penn State, and they happened to luck into their new QB who proceeded to carve up defenses that were better than ours after tearing us apart.
I'm not sure you're familiar with the level of discontent Clemson fans have for their program, too. Either that or Sammy Watkins isn't.
Is it acceptable to call out individual players on the current roster? There is a fair amount of that here.
I mean, the UFR is essentially a mechanism to "call out" individual players on the current roster. So yes. However, its my opinion that calling current players "lazy a-holes" or "overhyped busts" isn't really appropriate. So depends on your definition of "call out".
we started looking at other receivers.
i'm guessing it ultimately came down to the weather and proximity to home. he'll play more away games closer to his region.
good news is that we have WR depth for a couple years. next year will be another group of 5-star WRs to go around and our depth will show more favorably.
our offense is on the right track to NC caliber, the WRs will come. its the defense that is the concern right now, and this means another scholly that can go that way...
Would be great.
He has a scholarship from literally everyone. I would be shocked if he came here.
He got jacked up!
the hit, especially his shoe flying off!
Would have loved to have him, but I'm just glad we got Crawford. Good luck to him in the future.
now that you mention it I am happier that we got Crawford. Had we received Sammy and then lost out on Crawford I would be more disappointed. Crawford, at his postition and with his headiness and skill level, is a much greater need for our the team...
....don't make the mistake of thinking WR isn't a major need for this team as well. We lose Stonum, Odoms AND Hemingway after next year. Please, tell me who our deep threat will be in 2012? B/c I definitely can't. Unless Stokes completely breaks out we're going to need another deep threat which we just don't have on this roster. Ricardo and Robinson will turn out to be fairly decent receivers, I'm sure, but they will never be the true deep threat that this team really needs. Just b/c we're set for next year at wideout doesn't mean our WR depth isn't in serious jeopardy.
One more slot to add depth at D for my future 4-2-5/4-3 D were going to have soon. No facts here just me dreaming of a new D staff save B. Tall.
We're still going to try to get another WR.
best of luck...ON TO THE NEXT ONE!!
It this unpredictable when the hate RR crowd comes out after every loss?
Yes of course that has to be it!!!! You have found the secret. People that are pissed at losing have decided to see if they can purposefully make us lose more games!!!! Wow if only they had thought of that 3 years ago.
This!...not good, and the hits just keep on rolling...at least there is no chance for a seizure from an onslaught of euphoric events.
Does anyone know if he is still coming with Crawford on an official visit? Like RR says, if a recruit is visiting other schools, he's not committed.
Good point. I doubt this announcement will stop our staff from continuing to recruit this kid. Hopefully he can come up for an official and has a change of heart. If not, best of luck Sammy.
Wish him the best, but man it stinks to lose a guy like that. It makes me want to:
hopefully we won't stop recruiting him. i have a feeling his recruitment isn't yet over.
But I'm thrilled we got his teammate. And WR is one of our deepest areas.
I would be thrilled to get a tight end, an offensive lineman, a couple defensive linemen, a couple linebackers, a safety or two, and for the rest, the best available at any position. Losing on Watkins is less critical.
Add Zettel, Frost, Hobbi, Jernigan, Walls, Lyons, Grant and several others,maybe Hayes, Petro? and we'd have an awesome class. While heavy on defense, that's what we need now.
If we get all of those guys, I will be one of the happiest people in the world. The biggest one I don't see coming to UM is Jernigan. It sounds like he is leaning toward staying in the south, but you never know.
Hope springs eternal.
Regardless, iirc, RR has been able to finish strong with some great recruits. As long as we avoid another Demar fiasco, I have faith that we will see this trend (finishing strong) continue.
Yea I mean we are pretty deep at the WR position so maybe that was one of the determining factors why he chose Clemson, lets use the scholarship we were going to give to him to help out the defense. It was a good try but lets just move on, there will be other recruits.
EDIT: Also it appears as though Ray Drew has trimmed his list down 9 and we at least made the cut. So that could be considered a win for today :)
Wow, why's everyone so upset/surprised? We don't need a wide receiver and every reputable recruiting service has been saying for weeks that they'd be extremely surprised if he went anywhere other than Clemson.
Were upset because he was a highly rated recruit and he was seriously considering us, and were surprised because TomVH said that we might be his leader.
It sucks to lose a player of his caliber, but best of luck to him at Clemson. He'll be one heck of a player there.
We're still going to take a WR in his spot.
Now it just means that the WR probably won't be as good.
So that's why.
...We do need a wide receiver. Pretty bad. I already explained this up above, but apparently I have to do it again here. Next year is Stonum's, Odoms' and Hemingway's last year. I'd like to know who our deep threat is going to be in 2012. Sure, we have plenty of slots and possibly Roundtree could move to the outside, but his best spot is in the slot. Ricardo and Robinson will be okay, but I don't think they're going to turn into anything truly special on the outside and quite frankly, neither has the speed to be a legit deep threat. We needed a receiver like this to take over in a year.
You mention Miller's and Robinson's speed as reasons they won't be a legit deep threat, but are they really much slower than Hemingway?
Good luck to Sammy. Glad we still have Dallas and who knows what will happen with Justice Hayes.
Lets just go out on Saturday and beat tOSU.
Not an issue if four of the seven are true:
1) Stokes can produce in his Jr and Sr years; 2) redshirt freshman Ricardo Miller and J. Robinson are the real deal; 3) Jeremy Jackson progresses; 4) Williamson can contribute; 5) Conway is legit; 6) Roundtree continues to be Roundtree the next two years; 7) 2 high level WR recruits in 2012.
Why we offered Lucien last week. Coaches knew.
Bit of a surprise. Weather was always an issue, although I didn't think it would be that big. I don't get it. Clemson has 4 WR's committed already and Sammy makes 5. 2 of them are top 5 WR's. I don't watch Clemson, are they a pass heavy offense?
Edit : Good luck in life Sammy. I am so wrapped up that we lost this kid, I forgot what is important in life. I know we have plenty of WR's, but this guy was top notch and would have brought us some great press.
be a stud WR to make plays and get yards. You have to be able to catch and be fast. There are plenty of guys out there like that. Would I have liked to have Watkins, hell yes, but this isn't a make or break recruit like some guys on Defense are.
Is it just me or does Clemson seem to have gotten some stud recruits in recent years but continue to have average seasons in an ACC that hasn't been that strong lately. You'd think that this would raise a flag for some of these recruits considering them but I guess not.
Yes, Clemson is the undisputed king of underachieving teams. They pull in fantastic talent, but they can never put it all together on all 3 phases of the game. They have their studs here and there, but the team never comes together to be consistent. Clemson's offense has been a mess this year, so a bit surprised at their excellent offensive recruiting class. Oh well, guess we hunker down and focus on our D.
Do we even know if he would have been admitted? I remember he had to work on his ACT scores.
It is great to be on these highly rated kids, but I don't want another Demar Dorsey situation. Hopefully the staff and the administration are working together better.
a great get, but with all the WR's we already have... we have to develope them: Drew Dileo, Jeremy Jackson, Ricardo Miller (RS), Jerald Robinson (RS), Baquer Sayed (RS), D.J. Williamson (RS) and 2011 commit Shawn Conway.
Those are a lot of young talent... but I would be more concern about getting help on the defensive side of the ball.
That crew you listed isn't very intimidating. You know Baquer Sayed is a slow walk-on, right? And Jeremy Jackson is just as slow but has a scholarship?
I'm just sayin'.
I listed aren't intimadating, but they are on the roster. Coulda, woulda, shoulda isn't going to get the job done.
So, I would rather work with the players I have... than wishing about players I want to come to Michigan (but if he changes his mind... than welcome aboard).
I wish him well, but I think we need to stock the defensive cupboard with all of our remaining recruits.
well maybe we can pull out the snakeoil before signing day.
I see this one as a pretty hasty commitment.
Most likely Watkins still goes Blue when the fat lady sings.
I'm still confused as to why he'd want to go to Clemson. Aren't they at the bottom of the FBS in passing yards? Their top WR has like 400 yards for the season.
Maybe for the same reason defensive players might want to come to us. They get a chance for making an impact early and get noticed by the NFL. Or maybe it is the Clemson girls.