Sam Webb this morning said that GoBlueWolverine.com spoke to DD for an hour last night and that Demar got a letter from Michigan.
Sam hinted that it was the release from his LOI from Michigan.
Are we ever going to actually know what the deal is with all of this? I mean there is a ton of speculation, but will any of the parties actuallly come out with any answers?
If you pay for scout.com you should be able to get the info.
I get negged for telling where Sam's info is in more detail...Sweet!
when MGo has it on the front page for free (and it's very clear). Actually, it shouldn't be free, because we should be donating to Brian (or buying stuff from links).
This is exactly what was in TomVH's interview, and it sounds like it's final unless Rodriguez can successfully fight for his enrollment. I'm not optimistic, but damn. Watching that video shows that everything we hoped would be true about Dorsey probably is. He might not be a genius, but he deserves the chance at a college education he was promised by the university.
He was offered the opportunity to play football and get a one year education for free by the Athletic Department. He wasn't promised anything by the University.
get off their asses and open up a line of communication so this scenario is avoided in the future. Embarrassing.
the athletic department is governed by the university it represents...your point about not being promised anything by the university is disingenuous and ridiculous at the same time.
The fact remains that Dorsey was not promised anything, deservedly so.
Does it suck that he might not have the opportunity to flourish as a person and as an athlete in Ann Arbor? Absolutely. There was definitely a communication breakdown somewhere in the process, which sucks for the two main sides involved. I was just pointing out that "promise" might be too strong of a word. There seems to be a misunderstanding of what a Letter of Intent says and allows for the person signing it. There are actually very few promises by anyone but the athlete when they sign a Letter of Intent. The thing basically says that IF the student is admitted, THEN they can participate in the sport and take classes at the University.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once a student signs a LOI, he can not go elsewhere unless he is released by the University. Seems only fair that the University should not be able to drop him at this stage if nothing new has changed in his life since the LOI was signed unless he agrees to it (crime, grades plummeting, etc.). Seems like a one sided deal favoring the NCAA members, as usual.
That's exactly right. The student is bound to the University until further notice. The university is not bound to the student, per se. Just like scholarships, etc., this is a definite one sided deal.
Why does he deserve the chance? Thousands of students across the country are denied admission each year to U-M, I'd think many of them bring more to the table than Dorsey
It isn't just about his grades and test scores. On paper, at least, the process is supposed to be about the "whole person". Being one of the best athletes in the country shows a dedication and willingness to work hard, (not to mention the effort he showed by getting his grades and scores above minimums). His final few months showed he was willing to do that for Michigan.
The people in Admissions are boobs. Plain and simple.
His athletic abilities, in the eyes of admissions, were more than likely offset by his legal issues. Hard to fault them on that
Those legal issues were well known before his commitment. That should have been figured out months ago.
Rodriguez was not actively recruiting Dorsey until extremely late in the recruiting season. Ever consider that just maybe admissions did not have adequate time to figure out how troubled he actually is?
Then that's a foul-up on the part of Admissions, the athletic department, the football program, or any combination of the above.
Oh well. Better to take long and make a well-informed decision, than to rush it and shoo him in
Well, that's the selfish way of looking at it...
...in the meantime, you have a kid who's been thinking he's going to attend U of M for four months. And now he's not.
And there's a perfectly good reason on why he was not allowed to attend
this guy is right. everyone is talking about the line of communication not being open. well the fact is that it wasnt open during january so hail2009 is just saying that admissions was able to voice their opinion now. he is not saying anything about that shouldve/wouldve/couldve bull. he is just stating the fact. i want dorsey here too, but the truth is he does have a suspect background and close-to-minimum academic credentials. after the feagin incident and other players that they accepted below michigan standards, admissions finally decided this is where they draw the line. get over it and get on with your life.
o ya and no one was crying about witty and other lesser quality players when they got dropped. stop trying to hide the selfish fanatic inside.
In most cases, scholarships are offered well before Admissions has enough to make a call on a kid either way, and usually before there's even an application submitted. The process for Admissions probably doesn't start until there's an application.
That exposes the real weakness in the process, and the root cause of an issue that will probably be repeated many more times than we'd like.
The solution, here, is to have Admissions give prospective athletes the once-over, in collaboration with the Athletic Department, before the offer is made.
Unless that's already done. In which case, someone really shat the bed.
You're not going to win this debate. Not here. Not today.
Not here trying to "win a debate."
Never convicted. That's not just a minor distinction.
Such a pathetic reason to still allow him in. "Never convicted!"
Being so righteous? You'd better pray you never get accused of a felony. Its much easier than you'd think. And, considering that 90% of all charges lead to convictions (or so I have been told) your chances of getting past the accusation are slim.
I probably won't be accused of one because I don't put myself in those types of situations. Easy thing to do (unless your name is Demar Dorsey I suppose)
I find that exceedingly hard to believe.
Welp, believe it. Never been accused of one, and probably never will
are you fucking Rosenberg? We have our legal system for a reason. He was charged but never convicted. That means in the eyes of the law, he didnt do anything illegal. Stop being a douchey twatwaffle.
You are the worst.
That Tom's article left the door open a bit, but now it's shut.
Well, it's a good thing that we chose to spend time recruiting Demar Dorsey rather than securing the commitment of Rashad Knight, Sean Parker, or Tony Grimes . . .
Yeah, that is the only way of looking at it. Maybe RR planned everything to happen exactly how it did so he could be fired this year...
that admissions denied the kid? Okaaaaay....
No, I didn't.
I've said several times over the past few days that Michigan should have figured out whether he was "admittable" prior to accepting his LOI. Waiting this long screws over Dorsey, screws over the football team, is bad PR, and could seriously hurt Michigan's future recruiting efforts, especially in Florida.
that we may not have spent any time late in the recruiting cycle on a kid that admissions was definately going to deny, when we had several other options that we could have persued with those resources.
^ This. ^
take two of the three DB(Knight, Parker and Dorsey) to finish off the class. Parker was a silent commit to Michigan since Army All-American week until he changed his mind at the last minute. Was it RR's fault that Parker had a last minute change of heart? No.
I'm fine with a school not wanting to take a chance on a particular kid. I just think that decision needs to be made before he gets offered a scholarship.
Poor form by the higher-ups.
Definitely sucks that Demar won't be given his chance at U of M. No matter where he ends up I will definitely be pulling for him. He is a great example of doing everything in his power to turn things around after some self destructive behavior.
Best of luck to him.
Maybe at least Harbaugh will eat some crow after this. Probably not though.
This happened to Harbaugh at least 10 times in the 2010 recruiting cycle. I'm not sure what he's eating today.
but I know he'll be depositing it in the nicest toilet known to man.
Howeva, this is the nicest toilet known to man.
I'm so upset right now. Someone get me a pitchfork and torch!
This is just another day in the life of a Wolverine fan. It sucks that Demar is not going to be joing us and it sucks even more that our school is not behind our coach. All Rich Rod can do is win this really is starting to feel like a football version of the movie Major League.
I hope Tate comes out of the tunnel against UCONN with Rick Vaughn's hair cut and they play wild thing.
Yes, this sucks. Yes, we don't know what happened.
Guess what? Life moves on. Dorsey will go elsewhere. Michigan will continue to field a football team.
So, let's root for Cullen Christian, Courtney Avery, Carvin Johnson, Ray Vinopal, Marvin Robinson, and the rest of the 25 2010 enrollees at Michigan this year.
Spilled milk just gets stinky. Let's be happy for what we've got.
I suppose you're right, but the whole thing stinks.
I'm going to start upvoting you the more you make calm and logical posts about this topic.
And just so everyone remembers - jg2112 doesn't care about recruiting.
You're right. You'll notice I'm asking everyone to pay attention to the guys who have signed and were admitted to Michigan.
Our (arguably) best recruit at a position of DIRE need is probably being denied the chance to join the team and you are going to harp on people for being upset? I'm just as excited for the incoming frosh as anyone, but it doesn't mean there isn't logic to being pissed off about the whole Dorsey situation.
Up until 2001, approximately, you'd have had no idea who Demar Dorsey was, thereby saving your emotions in being pissed that a 18-year-old isn't showing up to be in the defense.
When I grew up, Michigan players just showed up. I had no idea how many "OMG STARS" Desmond Howard had, or whether Rob Renes was guru approved. They just wore the uniform and I cheered for them. It used to be rather simple.
If you want to be mad at what you don't have, of course, go right ahead.
You are wasting your time, however, because your anger isn't going to change a thing.
Not to attack your analogy, but just because nobody would have heard about this type of dismissal years ago doesn't change the fact that it is embarrassing for the University and this team. Yeah, it is great to cheer for the laundry, but part of the unprecedented access provided by sport sites such as this is that you realize all the hypocrisy and offensive behavior that permeates big-time college sports. Sure, maybe we get caught up in it a bit with the "OMG, we don't need more 3 STARZ losers!!!!!11" but that doesn't invalidate a person's right to be bothered when a kid is strung along for months by indecisive and, frankly, somewhat-incompetent athletic and academic departments. Just because we wouldn't have heard about it earlier doesn't lessen the gravity of the situation.
Varsity Blues- underratedly "good" bad movie. Its no Roadhouse of course, but still solidly good/bad.
Dawson would have cried like that?
Maybe Michigan could not take DD's grades from that LifeSkills program?
Maybe not, but that should have been figured out a LONG time ago. Like, before he signed a LOI.
I think you're hitting on a point here, Magnus, that we don't officially understand. The processes for accepting an offer, and being admitted to school, are obviously different.
We saw that with Devin, with Marvin, and if you FB stalk, Stephen Hopkins (he applied to MICH in November/December, so he said in a FB post).
These guys all accept offers, then apply to the school. Obviously, Demar accepted an offer on 2/4 or so. But how could Admissions have accepted him as a student at Michigan without having all his transcripts before-hand, etc.? What I'm getting at is, if Demar didn't even make up his mind before 2/4, and he didn't apply to the school, how could Admissions say yes or no without the packet of info before them?
And, if they didn't have information of Dorsey's past until the Freep story broke, why are they out of line if the facts on the ground changed after 2/4? That's not their fault.
What I'm getting at - Stanford's commits kept getting knocked out by Admissions over the fall (remember Torrian Wilson?). This probably happened after these players formally applied to enroll at Stanford. But, if Michigan's Admissions didn't have the time to assess Dorsey's complete file before Signing Day, and didn't know of his "backstory," I'm not sure why we're upset at Admissions for making an informed decision once they had complete information.
Well, if these things are true that you're bringing up, then obviously someone isn't doing their job correctly.
It could be ADMISSIONS for not determining earlier what his situation was.
It could be THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT for poor communication.
It could be THE COACHES for not doing their due diligence on his background.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure that whatever's keeping him out of Michigan now could have been determined at a much earlier date. Someone at Michigan didn't do their job correctly here.
I have read that UM hadn't even received his first semesters grades when they accepted his LOI, fwiw.
So what are you most angry about with the way this has all played out Magnus? Is it the situation that Dorsey is in, the way this makes UM look, the way it reflects on RR or how much it weakens the team for the coming season?
I have read that UM hadn't even received his first semesters grades when they accepted his LOI, fwiw.
Then that's a retarded way to recruit.
I'm not angry about any of it. But I think all those things are stupid. It should have been handled differently, it's unfair to Dorsey, it will hurt recruiting, it's bad PR, and it will hurt the football team.
Magnus, I agree with you.
Quick question. Does he have to sit out a year if he goes to another BCS school?
Or is this like the baskeball example when a kid wants to get out of his LOI due a coaching change?
Since he never enrolled, I believe he will be eligible to play this year. They supposedly granted him his release, so that should take care of any eligibility issues with other schools. It's not like the Steve Threet thing from a couple years ago when he went to Georgia Tech, because Threet had already enrolled in January of 2007 at GT and then transferred after his first semester.
This pisses me right off! What an embarrassment this University is right now! With the state of their program, they can't afford to be shooting themselves in the foot and looking like hypocrites when they offer a kid a scholarship and yank it away as soon as he is ready to come.
The minute you think a star athlete is ready to come, this happens. Props for DD for having the right attitude in this whole scenario. I guess admissions never saw that video. Evil Michigan-Safety-hating-God at his best.
The interview that Sam posted is very sad. The kid sounds crushed. Bad protocol to hold on to a kid's LOI for 4 months only to send it back to him for something other than grades, which they knew about when they accepted his LOI. Good luck recruiting Florida for awhile.
It is a sad day, it really looks like Demar had his heart set to come here. I know admissions looks like a villan but we do have high standards and I think it comes down to the university not accepting the credits from this place he attended that wasn't his high school. Demar, dude, coming here would be quite a feather in your cap, something not just you but your entire family could be proud of; going to a juco school to get your grades up would be worth it . What ever your decision, best of luck to you .
This may have already been hased out in another thread, but is there any way he can go to a JUCO and try to get back to Ann Arbor next year? Or is the ship sailed for us?
After all this, I doubt he'll try to re-apply.
Wish Dorsey the best. People will argue that this is just admissions maintaining the "high standards" of UM, but all I see is a school that failed to live up to its end of a deal with a young kid. This could very well sour UM's recruiting efforts in Florida for years to come.
I'm beginning to see the end of the line for RR, and the saddest part is that most of his problems are not even self-inflicted. Incompetence by this whole University and this football team in particular is really jarring for a graduate.
I just dont get it. UM is struggling to stay relevant in football. We are quite frankly, the laughing stock of the Big Ten at this moment. I don't care if DD will go on to be genius. Is it any big suprise that a football player might be alittle underpar academically? I know it's a "no-no" to talk about, but what football team consists of nothing but legit 4.0 kids? Even Stanford will let a player slide if he's good enough. 5 star is pretty good....get him in here. I live in Columbus and i can tell you, bucks fans are having a good laugh at us right now. Not to mention the local radio stations have been reporting and literally laughing on air about it. Why wouldnt the university tell the admittion department to step aside on this one? He's kinda an important piece of the puzzle at the moment. Get picky when we are back to our winning ways and the 5 stars are lining up.