For those looking for a little good news this morning after the Great Exodus yesterday, Sam Webb says that he believes that Burke will come back. That's not based on any inside information, but Sam (as many of you know) usually has a pretty good feel for things. He also said that Michigan hasn't talked to Zeigler and doesn't expect them to, though he acknowledges that things can change quickly...He also said some interesting things re: Smotrycz...All of this is in the 3/22/12 "Show Open" segment.
Sam Webb *thinks* Burke will be back, says Michigan hasn't talked to Zeigler
The speculation will run wild on either side of the argument until judgement day. We went through this last year. We're seasoned veterans. Prepare for the worst and if it turns out our way, hooray. If not, at least you were prepared.
Oh god, not you again. Go back to the MSU boards.
DfW's comment was a reply to a comment from THE PARTY ROOM, who I am sad to say will no longer be joining us.
THE PARTY ROOM's fine work? Does it perhaps start with a B?
But maybe I really can't stand ReadYourGuard as well....? /s
There you go again, masquerading as a South Bend resident, corrupting the truth. You can't suppress the gospel of THE PARTY ROOM. He is the voice of the people.
Now where do I get those commitment predictions and inside information??? Why, why, why???
We must keep this information from the peasants, lest they challenge the landed gentry.
Now, BACK TO YOUR TURNIPS.
You confiscated my turnips for the war effort.
I googled "you confiscated my turnips" to see if that was a pop culture reference. This thread was the only match. Well played, sir.
My read-in was that there was a little bit of restrained struggle between him and the coaches. It's a net loss for Michigan, and I really think he might have blossomed next year, but he was never going to become quick or a great defender. Can't blame him if he goes somewhere where he might start and be a straight-up shooter, as is his calling.
Evan had a great opportunity to stay outside and shoot here. Where else is a 6'9" guy going to go and play the two. All three's have to play inside a little. It looks to me that he got upset when coaches started demanding a little more from him. Look at the situation thus team was in for bigs. With Horford hurt Evan had to do spot duty at the five. But with the size we have coming back plié the size coming in I think Rvan just didn't like the pressure put on him to perform He is a good player but anywhere he goes there will be demands and expectations. Gooduck to him.
who is Ryan?
who is rvan? what does it mean when you wish someone "gooduck"? and since when do we have ballet players?
that guy has an awesome auto correct.
Gooduck sounds like an insult against the Vietnamese.
He meant Evan.
Context clues, man. Also 'e' and 'r' are qwerty'd right next to each other.
Smot definitely had his moments as a perimeter shooter, and no doubt he would have had more of them. Problem was, his defense surrended just as many points. Partly that's because he was forced to cover bigs. But the problem is, as a practical matter, he's kind of a tweener: not rugged enough to handle big 4/5s not quick enough to handle speedy 3/4s.
And tempermentally he just didn't embrace the B10-ness of it all: the ruggedness, the pressure, etc. He hated it; it wore him down. I bet we'll see him go to a smaller program back East, where he'll be a better fit.
I'm getting a script error and can't listen...
I'm also getting a script error. I'm curious what the "interesting things" Sam had to say about Smotrycz's departure were. Anyone who can listen care to share?
Sam thinks that he wasn't happy in his role in the offense. Sam thinks that he was probably partcularly unhappy that the offense became more guard-oriented and that his minutes declined as the season went on. In case I haven't emphasized it enough, this was all just Sam's opinion.
Zeigler naver said Michigan contacted him. If you know otherwise, link please?
These comments were also for THE PARTY ROOM. He will be missed.
Not my me, so much... but he will be missed.
Are you borderline illiterate?
This might be a potential for guy Michigan.
From ESPN "Alex Oriakhi will spend his senior season with a team that has a chance to play in the NCAA tournament. The 6-foot-9, 240-pound Oriakhi will transfer from Connecticut, his father, Alex Sr., told the Hearst Connecticut Media Group."
Wholly SHIT BALLS!!!
In another thread I said we basically need a Nix and Lucious (minus the headache) of MSU to contend like we want...This my friends is better than Nix.
If we have 2 spots left...we need a backup PG and BIG BODY!
This is the BIG BODY! Get him and a back PG and I'll take that trade 11 times out of 10.
Our starting lineup versus OU.
PG - Trey Burke 5-11
SG - Stu Douglass 6-3
SF - Tim Hardaway Jr 6-6
SF - Zack Novak 6-4
PF - Jordan Morgan 6-8
Only 1 other player played 20+ Minutes
PF - Evan Smotrycz 6-9
IMO starting lineup next season.
PG - Trey Burke 5-11
SG - Matt Vogrich 6-5
SF - Tim Hardaway Jr 6-6
SF - Glenn Robinson III 6-7
PF - Mitch McGary 6-9
Top 3 Subs - 15-20 minute guys
SG - Nick Stauskas 6-5
PF - Jordan Morgan 6-8
PF - John Horford 6-9
Will start next year.
Your analysis is exceptional
Morgan will start next year...is all that needs to be said
Don't get me wrong, I really like Morgan; the kid plays hard and is a physical presence in the paint. I just don't think it is a given that he will be the starter for the majority of the season, and expect that someone making a blanket statement should back it up with some kind of analysis. Morgan is a good player, but he is very limited in what he brings to the floor and guys like McGary and Horford will challenge him for minutes.
except only one of the top 8 guys can plan point guard. We need someone to back up Trey at the point.....
Cincinnati has not had a true PG backup the past 2 seasons (both NCAA tournament teams)...they use a combination of SGs and SFs to get them though the 10-15 minutes the starting PG is on the bench.
I could see Stauskas / Vogrich / Akunne handling 10-15 minutes of TEAM PG duties...also, what if we land a combo guard in the Spring Signing?
It was funny to see "at the point" followed by your signature. I have no substantive contribution to this thread.
I agree for the most part but I would rather have Vogrich come off the bench. However, he could be next years version of Michael Griffin. I could live with that outcome as well.
SF Glenn Robinson
I like Vogrich coming off the bench
will start next year
He will start because he can shoot but if he doesn't finish easy layups and dunks, oh and maybe start rebounding, his job is in jeopardy
You're crazy if you think Matt Vogrich is going to start...who exactly do you expect him to guard?
Then Hardaway stops defending if his shot doesn't fall...and you have a freshman SF playing PF and a freshman PF playing C?
We'd give up 70+ every game.
Morgan is going to start...the only question is who starts...Stauskas or GRIII.
I think John B. is going to start Vogrich out initially...maybe Stauskas beats him out during the season.
I think Burke and Hardaway retain their starting spots....Vogrich goes out there because he is an upperclassman that knows the system...and then you add in your 2 blue chips stars.
Indiana was a fun team to watch last year...defense wasn't their strong suit but they were a top 20 scoring team averaging 77 PPG. They had the ability to beat anybody as evidence in beating all 3 B10 co-champs and UK, NCST, ND, etc.
With Bigs like Morgan and Horford, hopefully we are a better defensive team than IU was last year but still pack a similar scoring punch.
Next year in BB is going to be a lot of fun...we'll be alright!
I'm sure the coaches are weighing the options now that there is suddenly a scholarship available. I'm guessing they are just weighing the upside of bringing in a player who would have to sit a year, and then could play a max of 2, vs what they expect they could get if offering that to a HS player with either 4 years of eligibility, or potentially a high ceiling (a la burke)
anyone with a "high" ceiling is a risk of going to the NBA after a year or two. See Morris, Darius and now potentially Burke, Trey.
I think he's gonna be an all star in the future but he has some thiings to work on still before you goes pro.
his twitter doesnt say that
Carlton Brundidge was going to be such a baller for Michigan? I think Sam needs to lay off the predictions that don't involve someone telling him something in private that he knows is going to happen.
Did Sam run over your cat? Repeatedly?
I'm just saying taking his insight into how these things are going to play out might be setting yourself up for disappointment....because he's not real good at predicting things that he doesn't have a "gut feeling" on. (i.e. someone told him they were going to commit this week and asked him not to say). Sam looks at things through maize and blue glasses, which makes him a good host, but slants how he thinks things will go. So you have to take his predictions with a grain of salt. And frankly, as one of the few guys predicting really big things for CB, all the way back to 2008, it might have contributed to the feeling that the fact he didn't walk into Michigan and become a star or even start means he should pack up and go, rather than he was a pretty good, not great, prospect who was going to take some time to develop into a good player at a high level...but could, with patience all around.
FWIW I gave you an "underrated" but MGoBlog says you're still trolling...go figure.
It was kinda worded snakily, so I wouldn't take offense even if I needed the points. And I think I've posted similar stuff once too often. I'd just like people to admit "whew, I whiffed on that one."
Trey Ziegler for all of his greatness, hasn't learned free throw shooting. I saw him in a high school tournanment game and he was fouled repeatedly and never hit one free throw for the whole game. This year, his sophomore season, his FT % was 49.5. I've heard that he has had some interest from Duke???
Say what? This was sarcastic right?
John Beilein wants to win basketball games. If bringing in a kid with 2 years of eligibility left that averaged 15 per game when we have extra scholarships will help, I'm pretty sure JB doesn't give a shit how his initial recruitment went over 2 years ago
First, as mentioned several times, if Trey does in fact leave, no way he is a 1st round pick, horrible, horrible move, in fact whoever advises these kids need to get a clue because a lot of kids need to stay on school, Burke included. JB isn't going anywhere unless something is going on behind the scenes that we aren't aware of. For Christ sake, he just won a share of the B1G title.