Did he divulge who the other 10 are going to be? That would be excellent information and relevant to my interests.
Did he divulge who the other 10 are going to be? That would be excellent information and relevant to my interests.
He did not lay out the entire 10 possible spots, but he did address specific questions from a few callers which resulted in his stating that he feels UM is in "very good shape for" or outright "leads for" the following:
Adolphus Washington (and I would assume by extension, Dwayne Stanford)
is most likely out, or at least not as likely as the other 3. Aziz still in the mix, didn't mention Day. But he did make it seem as though those 3 (Wormley, Pipkens, Washington) would finish up DL recruiting, if they were in the class. All of it qualified, however, by his "this is just my opinion."
i just want to know what his gut feels!
Hey guys, remember when we couldn't wait for our defense to take the field? Wormley, Pipkens, Washington... YES PLEASE.
Potential front 7 in 2013-2016 (using 2012 class only):
Washington (#2 DE) -- Shittu (#6DT) -- Pipkens (#16DT) -- Wormley (#13 DE)
Ringer (#9MLB) -- Ross (#2 MLB) -- Jenkins-Stone (#3 MLB)
[Ojemudia (#21 DE/OLB, #24DE Strobel, Bolden (#26 OLB) also worth mentioning]
I am suprised not to see Jordan Diamond on that list. Maybe it was just an oversight by Sam. The last I had heard, we were in that same category with him as well.
Actually, the players Sam mentioned were in response to specific questions from callers. The 3 DL mentioned because a caller asked about DL recruits and Wilson was listed because Sam was specifically asked about Jarrod.
Sam wasn't asked about OL recruits so he did not mention them. No worries, Diamond will be blue. Raback it!
Washington and Pipkens just made me go from 6 to midnight. As an old "Get Off my Lawn linebacker" this would be huge for the future.
Holy Jesus! Good news.
What did he say about the basketball prospects? Please something good about Jankovic...
Once WTKA went to the new format I've been unable to listen to the "podcast", I still have not filled the void with actual work though.
As have I, even with multiple browsers. Anybody else having prolonged issues?
I can't get the podcasts on their website, but if you use "Google Reader" and search for wtka, you can listen to all the podcasts.
I still find it hard to believe that UM will get to 26. That will require a LOT of attrition mostly in the form of transfers which would put us "in the red" re: APR.
counts against APR. Medical Hardships (a la Mike Williams), unrenewed 5th years (likely a la a couple of the current redshirt juniors, sad to say), don't count against APS, and kids who leave while academically eligible either don't count or count less.
I'm more concerned about whether Michigan would resort to SEC tactics to make the numbers work. Lord I hope not.
Yeah, I was aware that non-renewed 5th years did not impact the APR, but I believe UM currently has 18 spots available which would require 8 more spots to come open. I don't expect to see more than 3 of the RS Juniors not be asked back, so I would think UM would need 5 transfers (not going to try to predict Medicals) to get to "the number".
I think you are making the wrong assumption when you say "mostly in the form of transfers". Why do you not assume that it will mostly be in the form of unrenewed fifth years?
I just think the depth situation is too thin at most spots to afford the coaches the option of not bringing back the majority of the 2011 RS Juniors. I know most people on this board frown on speculating about guys not coming back, so I will only say that I would be surprised to see the staff use the "unrenew" option with more than 3 players. That would require 5 transfers to get to the requisite 8 spots needed for 26.
that not renewing a 5th year seniors scholarship only opens up spots for one class then you'll reinforce that idea. If Hoke takes 26 this year and all the attrition comes from 5th year seniors we will only have around 11 scholarships for the 2013 class. If the attrition the coaches are planning on comes from redshirt freshmen and sophomores then we'll have 18 or 19 scholarships for the 2013 class and a few extra for 2014 as well. Besides, if you take all the 5th year seniors out of the lineup and replace them with underclassmen it would hurt the team.
here are the guys who could have fifths (not counting walkons & sorry for the poor formatting):
terrance robinson (probably won't get renewed)
jt floyd (maybe)
roundtree (gets renewed)
mike cox (maybe)
floyd simmons (probably won't get renewed)
kenny demens (gets renewed)
jordan kovacs (gets renewed)
ricky barnum (gets renewed)
elliot mealer (probably won't get renewed)
rhocko khoury (probably gets renewed)
patrick omahmeh (gets renewed)
george morales (doesn't get renewed)
brandon moore (tough to say)
that's four who won't get renewed and three maybes. that's seven total. if we have 18 now that gets us to 25. of course my guesses could be wrong.
But I don't think Floyd Simmons and George Morales are scholarship players right now.
Simmons is a walk on as is Morales (he is on an academic scholarship IIRC), so those guys are not even counted against the 85 scholarship limit.
Mealer is a guy who hasn't seen the field but UM will be extremely thin on the DL in 2012, so I am not sure the staff can afford to not bring him back. The same applies to Brandon Moore at TE. Khoury will definitely get renewed as he is the heir apparent to Molk at center in 2012.
The only guys who I think are realistic possibilities for not being brought back are: TRob (hasn't been able to make the transition from HS QB to WR), Cox (adequate depth at RB) and Floyd (adequate depth, although inexperienced, at CB).
Aplogies to those who don't like discussing guys not being asked back. I am NOT saying that I want any of these players to be "let go" merely giving my opinion on the guys who are in a position where the staff might see them as, for lack of a better word, expendable.
Football players can't get "academic scholarships." If Morales is on scholarship at all, then he counts against the limit of 85. Otherwise, schools would just hand out "academic scholarships" to kids who happen to be good at sports.
so a kid who made it to U of M on an academic scholarship, if he decideds to try out for the team as a walk on and makes it, he then counts for the 85 even though in all probability he will never see the field? that sucks, that would be a reason for guys with academic schollies to never make the cut or if they want they have to drop their schollie and then pay thier own way the ret of their time here
it is possible, albiet unlikely, for a kid to have an academic scholarship and not count towards the 85. IIRC from the NCAA rule book the kid would have to walk-on to the team after a full year at school. I.E. had Kovacs been on full academic his academic scholarship wouldn't have counted since he had no part of the team his first year on campus. This is rather rare as most of the kids that do walk-on try to walk-on as freshman and end up on the practice squad etc but in the rare situation that a player walks-on as a sophmore after having a full year of academic scholarship under his belt (while meeting the requirements for said scholarlship obviously) he can keep that scholarsip without counting towards the 85.
But, like I said, it's extremely rare.
It was my understanding that academic scholarships also count against the 85 limit.
Edit: Magnus beat me.
I do think that academic and athletic scholarships should be treated differently.
Academic scholarships probably require the grades to be higher than the athletic scholarship, so they just don't both with Academic scholarships.
That's a big can of worms to open. Can you imagine the Andy Katzenmoyer Memorial Academic Scholarship?
OTOH the NCAA could do something where they set up minimums for academic scholarships. If a kid finishes HS in the top 5-10% and keeps a 3.5 in college maybe there'd be a case for not counting them towards the cap.
It would seem Robinson, Cox, and Moore are more likely. Floyd is interesting situation: wasn't his rehab going slower than expected in spring so maybe coaches think he might not be able to play in the future and get a medical. Mealer being an OL probably would be tough to not renew since the depth is so poor. The same could be said about Moore though. RB is pretty full, and Cox would need to emerge this year to stay.
It just is worrisome that the coaches expect a 26 class. I can see a few of our smaller LBs leaving and maybe a few other young RR recruits who might not fit the new offensive and defensive schemes. I wonder if there are kids who don't want to be with the program still, but haven't made it official yet. As is, 5ish is the number of transfers to get us to 26.
One thing to keep in mind with Mealer is that he's one of four redshirt junior guards right now (Barnum, Omameh, Khoury, Mealer). It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep him around for depth, and he could certainly find a place if, say, Khoury wins the starting center job in 2012. But if Mealer gets passed on the depth chart by Bryant and/or Posada, then that fifth year becomes less likely.
There's also the possibility that Omameh could bump out to RT once Huyge graduates, and if Khoury slides to OC (which I expect), then that could leave Barnum and Mealer as the starting guards.
So...what I'm trying to say is: Lots of stuff can happen between now and February.
god I hope they keep Omameh at OG. He moves so well, its a real treat watching him pull and take out 2 or 3 second level defenders.
with Hokes 2011 linemen redsharting we'll have 2 or 3 walkon linemen in the depth chart this year. RR took only 2 O-linemen in 09 and a whopping 1 in 2010 I believe. We'll need them all.
Given all we have witnessed with attritition, decommitments, failure to qualify, and so on in the last few years (and before then too, I just wasn't paying attention then), I am not at all worried if the coaches say they want 26 commits.
we still have crazy depth on defense with this class. Combine the 2011 freshmen and 2012 projected class and Hoke has taken 6 Corners, 3 Safeties, 8 or 9 linebackers (depending on where you count Ojemudia), 7 to 9 DEs (depending again on where Ojemudia and also Godin end up) and 1 or maybe 2 DTs. Add them to the team and we will have 7 DTs, 10 DEs, and 14 Linebackers for 2012. If you throw the game-day 2-deep roster out the window and go with a 4-deep roster we still have 2 DE's sitting around and 2 linebackers and 1 corner too many next year. Not to mention the 8 running backs and 8 Receivers and 5 TEs.
WR depth is going to look very thin after this season. Assuming Stonum's eligibility is finished after this season, our WR depth chart looks like this:
Roundtree, Stokes, J. Robinson, Jackson, Gallon, T. Robinson, and Drew Dileo.
Ricardo Miller is an HB/TE apparently now and maybe could be a WR again but who knows. Justice Hayes has been mentioned as a potential WR or pass-catching RB, but he wouldn't fit the mold of an outside WR.
With these 7 WRs, I would guess Robinson won't get renewed and Gallon might not fit the offensive and decide to transfer. I am also suspicious of this because the Spring Depth Chart had Drew Dileo ahead of him. That leaves us with 5 WR plus any kids we sign in the 2012 recruiting class. My suspicion is the coaches will probably phase out the slot receiver or at least diminish its role after this season to the point where Dileo is the only one playing it. Additionally, Roundtree and Stokes graduate after the 2012 season, leaving us with Jackson, J. Robinson, and Dileo plus any 2012 either redshirt freshman or sophomore receivers and any 2013 freshman recruits. I understand WR, like RB, can contribute earlier and more easily than all other positions, but unless we get elite/guaranteed talent Gardner could be throwing to a very weak and inexperienced (depends on development of Jackson and Robinson) WR crew. As such I can't understand why we aren't pursuing more WR's, since Burbridge doesn't seem like he will qualify and Stanford being the only talented WR we are pursuing/have room for.
But I could easily see him not getting renewed. I'm not sure how well he fits into the idea of playing both safety spots and his limited athleticism means that the younger guys could at least make the gap small enough.
I can't see it. He's played in too many games to not have the scholarship renewed. He's paid his dues.
I don't think he'll be back.
Another possibility is players not returning for a fifth year, which I am nearly positive does not negatively affect the APR score.
Actually, I think if a student transfers between academic years, it doesn't count against the APR.
There are nine redshirt juniors by my count. I would guess about four (not guessing who) don't get a fifth year and with let's say about four transfers and the 18 spots that are currently available we get 26.
problem with that is we can't count on four transfers. i don't see how we get to 26. i'm not saying he's lying. just that i can't figure it out.
There is always the chance that somebody blows up and has a great season and decides to take off for the NFL as well. That would give us another Schollie
I don't foresee anyone having the type of season or talent to leave early for the NFL.
Roundtree will probably be hurt by the new system, isn't very big, and isn't very fast.
The leading candidates for the RB job are too young (Hopkins, Rawls) or completely unproven (Cox).
Lewan will only be a redshirt sophomore.
I guess Omameh might be an option to blow up and have a good season, but he doesn't seem like he's particuarly anxious to move on immediately.
Denard's not good enough.
Roh's not good enough.
The linebackers probably aren't good enough, although Demens might turn into a tackling machine if Mattison can get him to channel Ray Lewis...
All the defensive backs are too young or too . . . not good.
Possibilities to leave early: Omameh and Demens. That's about it.
talking about kickign guys off the team? That's what your all talking about, isn't it? This is so SEC. Why the hell would a senior in college at the University of Michigan, that arguably isn't playing much, but has nearly enough credits to get a degree from the university, transfer?
Come on guys.
Assuming the coaches really do intend to sign 26 kids, is that actually possible? People aren't saying "Boot Kid X so we can sign Kid Y."
I don't like the discussion of individual kids, but the general discussion is worth having. Saying "Fuck it, sign 'em now and we'll squeeze them in" is worthy of an SEC school, but is, IMHO, not way Michigan should do things.
I think that is what people are worried about. If Hoke expects the class to be 26, he expects there to be 8 scholarships opening up. I don't know exactly what the SOP is on renewing kids for fifth year of scholarships but it doesn't appear to be as questionable as some of the things the SEC does. Additionally, it might not be just the older guys. Maybe some of the younger players don't exactly see themselves fitting with the new offensive and defensive schemes, so they will transfer, but haven't done it yet. Also, Blue in South Bend provides a good possibility below: maybe the coaches don't think it will necessarily be a 26 man class, but are telling recruits, so kids don't feel the pressure to commit immediately. This way the coaches can focus on certain recruits and positions of need and not worry about some kids committing prematurely without evaluating the whole situation and then decommitting down the road.
Who is talking about kicking guys off the team? Not granting a 5th year is not the same as kicking a guy off the team before he gets his degree.
is the functional equivalent of kicking someone off the team. They depend on those schoarships to pay for their education. For out of state players, the cost of school for one year can be up to $60,000.00. If you take away that from them, you are essentially kicking them off the team because they will have to find some other way of paying for that.
That's not right.
Going to sound like devil's advocate here but there's a difference between not renewing a fifth year and booting a freshman or a sophomore a la Bobby Petrino.
A) Kids in this conference are guaranteed four academic years when they sign provided they remain in good standing. It isn't a year-by-year like the SEC does. Unless the coaches specifically say a kid will get 5 years (which I don't believe they do), then 5th years are a luxury that shouldn't necessarily be relied on.
B) A kid who has been here for four years is getting a degree. It isn't as if they're being cut loose with nothing to show for it. They're getting the Michigan degree they've been promised.
It sucks that we might have to tell some redshirt juniors they won't get a 5th year but let's not liken it to flat out cutting a kid because it really isn't the same scenario.
Your point a is a totally implicit agreement, though it does seem to exist. Schools cannot actually guarantee more than a one year renewable scholarship.
OK yeah guarantee is probably not the right word but the point is implied as you`ve said. You just don't typically see underclassmen let go for no reason in the B1G, which is why I don't agree with the oversigning comparisons.
No you're definitely right about that, this isn't the same thing as Miles sending a freshman packing before fall camp. IMO there's nothing wrong with letting a fifth year senior go (though I do wish there was a fund to keep them on scholarship until their degree is done) and that's even moreso true if he's got his degree.
they are? i'm not sure that's right.
Scholarships are an implicit four year agreement (except for the SEC, where they get you at least a summer tryout). I can't think of one school where there aren't fifth year guys let go, including schools more expensive than M, where the total CoA is about $51k.
Everyone will be on Hoke's ass if he releases a guy before he gets a degree, but releasing 5th year seniors who are buried on the depth chart is kind of standard practice.
Not getting a 5th year is not "cutting" someone. No one is promised 5 years of college. I know it's gone by the wayside, but most people are supposed to graduate in 4 years. A 5th year is a bonus given out, not automatically granted. Hoke will not give all 5th year players a scholarship, Rich Rod didn't, Lloyd didn't, Mo didn't, and Bo didn't. That just not how it works. A 5th year is a privilege, not a right. I mean, if you play a guy as a freshman, and he leaves the team after 4 years, are you "kicking him off a team without an education"? That guy gets 4 years; a guy who redshirts gets 4 years. Anything more is a bonus.
Granting a fifth year on scholarship is something a program does for talented players at positions of need. It is not a promise made to all incoming freshmen. And not offering a fifth year is entirely different than chasing of an underclassman early because you want to give that scholarship to someone else.
i could easily see a few of the DBs or LB/DE tweener-types transfering, especially if they are seeing little to no time on the field in year 2 or 3 of their careers.
This is what no one wants to discuss.
I understand why people won't want to talk about it, but these guys are going to find that their playing time will be very limited.
And this can be relayed by coaches. You aren't cutting them because they aren't good enough, and you're not telling them to take a medical leave or that they have to transfer, but you can tell a kid if you want to continue playing football in college and get playing time, it might be in their best interest to look at a smaller DI or DII school. Players get passed up on the depth chart and things happen, it's not the worst thing as long as you aren't telling the player "You're out, go find somewhere else to play."
Some will decide they love Michigan, want the degree, and stick it out and become a back-up. Others are smart enough to see that the guys in front of them are better/younger, and there might not be playing time. And they want to play. So they decide to move on, with no regrets on either side. Guys leave for a variety of reasons. Some have problems at home, and need to be closer. Some aren't good enough, and can see that. Some even just find out they don't love football enough to put in the work needed at that level. It happens.
I've also read on this board that early enrollees can be counted against last year's cap. That gives the staff some margin.
you beat me to it.
Only against the yearly 25-man limit. It's the 85 overall that we're flirting with already. We have 3 open scholarships and 15 graduating seniors, for a total of 18 open scholarships for 2012. We already have 16 commits. A class of 26 means 8 guys on scholarship right now who aren't graduating seniors need to disappear before the 2012 class arrives.
the B1G for 3 players beyond the 85 limit? Is that something the board is missing?
I thought that was an exception to the hard cap at 85, and if yes, then +3 and we're there.
Even with a +3 petition we would still have to get down to 85 by the start of the season so the same problem remains. The expectation of 4 - 5 transfers or medicals seems highly likely and obviously the coaches know who they may be.
....oh wait, that's OSU in the coming years....
Edit: Redundant at this point.
Early Enrollees will count backwards to 2011 and won't count against the 2012 numbers. I've been reading WAY too much about recruiting so I am aware that Magnuson and RJS, IIRC, are talking about being EEs. So if they were both coming in January and Hoke signed 26 new names, we'd have 2 more for 2011 and 24 for 2012. That's the math. Maybe he is expecting more EEs, further pushing that number for 2012 below 24.
is also trying to qualify early from what i know.
It's not the class limit size of 25 that is the concern, it's the total scholarship numbers of 85.
You can count three EE's towards last years class, but as it has been pointed out above, our problem is NOT the 25 - man class limit. Our problem is the 85 - man roster limit.
So it doesn't really matter what class we put them in.
Also, the EE's that have been talked about are Magnuson, Ringer, RJS, and (if Sam has a gut feeling...) Wilson
you are always better off maxing-out EEs and pushing them to the preceding class. this gives more flexibility in future classes. but yes 85 is the concern right now.
Is it possible that the coaches don't intend to sign 26 guys, but that they want that suggestion out there for purposes of slowing recruiting down a bit? If there were only two slots left, everyone and their cousins are going to try to jam through the doors, but the coaches might want to wait on a couple of guys who won't know for a few months. Saying "we've got 10 slots left" might be the coaches way of saying "don't everyone commit at once, please..."
I would find it more believable that we've had 3 or 4 players leave already and we just don't know about them yet.
When would we find out about those? At the start of fall practice?
at the end of the football season. that's when the players will know how much they've played (or not played or will play in the future).
I would guess at the start of fall practice when they aren't in pads or when someone says something on Twitter about it.
This is a nice problem to have. Recruits want to come here and play. The tough part is some guys may not get a 5th year. Is there any thing to be gained from the coaches knowing their might be transfers but not wanting to say until the season starts?
The only guy from the 2008 class who I can really see not getting a fifth year is Terrence Robinson. I guess that Floyd is a possibility as well, but at least a few guys are going to have to step up and make him third string for that to happen. Unfortunately, a lot of our players from the 2008 class happen to be at positions of need, even if they aren't very good. Cox is a huge unknown. If I had to guess, I'd say he gets a fifth year.
If all things are equal between Shaw, Hopkins, Smith, Cox, Toussaint, Rawls and Hayes, I would think Cox's butt is on the bench and he doesn't get the fifth year. The pressure is on Cox to show why he should get a fifth year.
Don't a couple of walkons have scholarships right now because we had a few to give. In theory they could free some of those up.
what a monster class this is going to be.
to be a huge class...maybe program altering one.
I have said from the beginning that 21 is the floor, 26 is the max for spots. I think that is now the consensus. 10 more spots? Are you kidding me? With that kind of class, we could be talking top 3 class nationwide.
I don't think we are near Top 3 yet, but we have the potential. Looking at Rivals we have 7 4 stars and 9 3 stars, with Standifer and Ojemudia possibly going to get 4th stars (and Funchess and Ringer being two other candidates but more unllikely). We need a higher concentration of top-tier talent (based on star ranking) to move that high in the rankings. Guys like Pipkins, Shittu, Garnett, and Washington all increase likelihood we get there, but guys ranked like Wormley and Olson will hold the recruiting rankings back. Personally, I think this class is great and some of the guys we are grabbing might not be ranked as high as they should, especially since there is less incentive to scout them and for them to play at camps and such. We are getting lots of positions of need with quality players. Class will be a great foundation for future.
Supposedly some of the tweener defensive players and slot ninjas have all but asked for transfers. From what I've heard there isn't any anger or anything, just reconigition that the system is changing and the new system does not fit their skills. One of the reasons Hoke is taking 26 is because the players have told him they're likely moving on at the end of the season.
i'd just appreciate if they'd materialize sooner than later. i think we'd all just like to affirm we're not giving anyone the boot who's in good standing and wants to be with the team.
My understanding is they're making arrangements to ensure a smooth transfer out post bowl game.
One thing to remember is a lot of the tweener kids were highly sought after by teams whose systems had need of slot ninjas or tweeners during the recruitment phase. These kids leaving will likely have options and want some time to look at them.
Meaning they'll move on in January 2012? Why wouldn't they move now and get their transfer year out of the way?
I don't want any of the players to leave, but if they've all but made that decision, why wouldn't a body want to do it now.
Some players have loyalty to the staff that recruited them (hence movement in the direction of Pitt after a number of staffers were hired there). Some players are sure RR/Barwis/etc will have a job somewhere next year. So they'd rather only transfer once.
I was thinking the same thing. Why not transfer this summer, sit out the 2011 season and then they could be on the field next year playing for a team that needs their skills. If they don't fit this current system, they probably won't get much playing time this season anyway.
I'm not seeing many potential slot transfers. Roundtree, Gallon and Dileo are the only players with significant eligibility left. Dileo has supposedly impressed the new staff and they see a role for him. Roundtree has the size to play other WR positions, which only leaves Gallon. Maybe TRob can be included, since he could graduate, then transfer and not have to sit out a year.
If that is the case, that is all the more reason that a WR or two is a must for this class. We already have 3 seniors out the door at the end of the season. Add in a few underclassmen and we go from way too many receivers to way too few receivers in one year.
Otherwise we might be seeing a lot of double TE/FB sets.
But who's to say that all of the signees of the class of 2011 will stay? A lot of those kids are Rich's kids, and after an up close practice or two, may not like the coachibg staff.
They all knew Hoke was gonna be the new coach before they signed their LOIs (except for EE Greg Brown, who seems to be getting along nicely). I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it also wasn't a bait-and-switch.
But who's to say that all of the signees of the class of 2011 will stay? A lot of those kids are Rich's kids, and after an up close practice or two, may not like the coachibg staff.
Really hard to imagine 8 scholarships freeing up between now and February. I wouldn't name guys who I think are on the way out, but at the same time, I will name Floyd and Mealer as guys probably NOT on that list.
Here's how scholarships free up:
I'm just afraid the staff may know of more than one guy in that last category, otherwise, it just doesn't add up.
but should we also be talking about guys leaving early, who we didn't expect, a la donovan warren?
i have no idea who this might be, but it would be a factor. i guess omameh could have a huge year or demens or even denard, depending on how things go.
Also, you shouldn't assume all RS juniors want to come back for a fifth year. Most of these guys are not going to the NFL. Once they have their degrees, some are looking forward to moving on and starting their future careers. In that sense, guessing which RS Juniors will not be returning is similar to guessing which highly-talented players will choose to leave early for the pros each year. It is not a one-way decision made by the coaching staff. I am sure Hoke will adjust his final class size (next February, BTW) appropriately based on all the relevant factors.
I am pretty sure it is soley up to the coaching staff whether a player gets a fifth year or not. I don't think the fact that a player wants to stay in college one more year (for whatever reason that may be) is a factor in whether the coach will extend the fifth year to said player...maybe I'm wrong, but that would be the first I heard anything like that.
... it's solely up to the player to decide whether he wants to accept such an offer.
aren't a couple of recruits coming in early and won't that help with this numbers business?
this thread is bizarre. How can people follow recruiting enough to be reading this board and not understand that the early enrollee "trick" helps with the annual 25 limit not the overall 85 limit? You would think the fact that its been explained at least twice already in the thread would help too.
As for the folks talking about how they can't see how 8 spots open up bw now and early Feb 2012 (and actually some of those spots don't have to open up until summer of 2012).....I truly can't believe this discussion happens every single year that we don't have an obvious 25 ships open (which is most years).
There's attrition every single year, and sometimes a ton of it. How many kids who we signed in Feb 2010, so kids who haven't even started their true Soph year, are gone already.....8? Granted a bunch of those never even made it to campus but still. Between 5th years not being renewed and kids leaving , you think we can't find 8 spots? At this time last year did you expect Cullen Christian, Vinopal and DJ Williamson to be gone? Spots open up, whether its injury, being homesick, legal troubles, playing time or whatever, there is always meaningful attrition and there always will be.
You could add Austin White to your list.
I'll let the coaches handle the numbers crunching and all that, but this says they want a QB AND RB in this class
If Matt Wile wins the job this year and even connects on 65% of his field goals, you can expect Brendan Gibbons to transfer. And yes, that will open up another scholarship.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but Tom Beaver had a quick comment a while back about 3 or 4 guys who are still pretty injured and may not be ready for fall camp and may be potential medical hardship/scholarships down the line.