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June 29th, 2012 at 8:51 AM
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Sam Webb recruiting article featuring Michael Ferns III and much more

Sam has penned a very interesting article on an impressive recruit from Ohio: Michael Ferns III. The article features Ferns III, but also gives some interesting insights on Joe Bolden, DL Coach Jerry Montgomery, the impressiveness of M in general, and of course the one and only Brady Hoke.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120628/OPINION03/206280472/1131/sports0201/U-M-Notre-Dame-Penn-State-big-impact-small-town-star

This quote from Papa Ferns regarding DL Coach Jerry Montgomery really caught my attention.

 

He is as strong a recruiter as we've dealt with," the elder Ferns said about Montgomery. "He's pretty on top of the game, and he's real good about informing you. He's a real asset to Michigan. He is very open. You get comfortable talking with him to where you can ask him or tell him anything, and you don't feel like you're being put to some sort of sales pitch. So instantly, you feel good about that."
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June 29th, 2012 at 9:01 AM
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Sam talked about this kid

on yesterday's show, and absolutely loves him.  Ferns seems like he fits right into the mold of Bolden/Ross/Morgan/Ryan/McCray/et al.  Would be a huge get.

On today's show, Sam indicated that distance may a factor for Bailey, and the southern schools may have an advantage.  Yesterday he said Bailey would have a large effect on McQuay, and if those 2 didn't commit, we might hold those spots open for a while.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
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I hope Hoke and Co.

are patient if they don't immediately pull in McQuay and Bailey.

To me Quan would be the best WR recruit we've landed since the Carr days.  Shane needs a big time #1 receiver and Treadwell is the guy we need.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
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Unless you know something I

Unless you know something I don't, we're not recruiting anyone named or nicknamed "Quan."

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
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Magnus

I use to think your posts were informative but lately I think you're just a dick.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:03 AM
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the two...

Aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
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You're certainly entitled to

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.  I just think it's disrespectful to spell kids' names wrong, especially when those names have appeared on this website thousands of times.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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QUON

QUON

QUON

OK-  I got it now!  You got me on BailEy yesterday as well.  If nothing else Magnus you are a fantastic speller. 

None of these guys are going to pick M if they see O Fo Sho disrespecting them on here.  Sorry Quon!

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
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Would you be impressed if

Would you be impressed if someone held up a sign saying "O Fo Shu, come to Michigan!!!"?

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
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Honestly, if someone held up

Honestly, if someone held up a sign saying 'Come to Michigan, bwgrut1484' I would simply be impressed that someone took the time to make the sign for a marginal flag football QB caliber athlete.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:07 AM
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I don't even know what this

I don't even know what this means.  I'm guessing you don't, either.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
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No one knows what it means

But it's provocative,

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
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wow....  

wow....  

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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I mean..

It's magnus. He hates puppies, starburst and beer.

But, on the other hand, he provides usually spot on analysis of OL and DL and has a greater than average understanding of football.

So, unless a thread he deems it important to be serious in is up,the easiest way to put it is ...

Magnus is gonna Magnus.

 

 

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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He sure knows much...

Yes, the same Magnus who wrote that David Dawson was a bat 'borderline' FBS player, and that the made a mistake accepting his commitment.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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I have clearly been proven

I have clearly been proven wrong by the recruiting rankings.  Since other people think he's going to be a good college player, then he's automatically a good college player...right?

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
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Not just other people, but

Not just other people, but the coaches think he gonna be a good player. Rankings aren't fool proof, but I am assuming he's more than a borderline FBS player based on his rankings, offers, and the acceptance of his commitment by the coaches.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
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I never said he was a

I never said he was a borderline FBS player.

Also, he wouldn't be the first recruit with lots of offers not to reach his lofty recruiting rankings.

Take a look at this list of Rivals top 100 players from 2007, which I chose because all of those players have completed their college careers:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-1475

What do you think of Florida's Torrey Davis, Florida's James Wilson, USC's Marc Tyler, Tennessee's Chris Donald, Tennessee's Ben Martin, or Ole Miss's Enrique Davis?  Those guys were all top-30 players whom lots of coaches offered...

Furthermore, at the time of Dawson's commitment, Michigan had a good shot at getting Ethan Pocic, a player that I felt was superior to Dawson...and guess what?  All four major recruiting sites agree with me.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
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I said rankings aren't fool proof.

You implied David Dawson was a borderline FBS player. You give examples of kids who washed that were highly ranked, but I would bet a majority of the contributed at the FBS level. Ethan Pocic is ranked higher than Dawson, ok. So, the recruiting services are only right when you agree with them?

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
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"You implied David Dawson was

"You implied David Dawson was a borderline FBS player."

No, I didn't.  Fact.

"So, the recruiting services are only right when you agree with them?"

Did I say that?  No.  I said the recruiting services are capable of being wrong.  So am I.  But in this case, the recruiting services agree with me.

 

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
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I went back and read your

I went back and read your evaluation of Dawson, and you edited the word borderline out. Great Job, man. It was worth it. Hahahaha

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
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Also false.

Also false.

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
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I..

have been reading this blog/board for a very long time, and the one thing I can tell you is that Magnus does not give enough of a shit to edit anything he has said to appease some poster with a grudge. He will edit for facts, but content he will not.

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
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You don't think I would edit

You don't think I would edit my blog to make flwolverine and all of his 184 points happy?  I feel like his opinion would really affect my reputation around here, so maybe that would be a good move for my popularity...

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June 29th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
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You edited the post. I'm sticking by it.

And unlike you and your 20000+ mgopoints, earning a reputation on a site like this doesn't do much for me. My real every day life reputation means more to me.

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July 1st, 2012 at 6:30 PM
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Well, I guess there's

Well, I guess there's something to be said for "sticking to your guns" even if you're grossly mistaken...

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June 29th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
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Just out of curiosity of my

Just out of curiosity of my standing in your world. Would you edit if for me? This would totally make my weekend if so. Thanks in advance if you would! xoxo

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June 29th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
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Maizedandconfused is sticking

Maizedandconfused is sticking up for Magnus a lot in this thread. Better make sure you don't ask the mods to edit your Magnus posts.

/rolldamntide'd

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
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Chance with Pocic <

Chance with Pocic < Commitment from David Dawson.  Much less so

I prefer in these arguments if you just said, "I hope I'm wrong and he's a monster."  No issue with standing by your eval, but discretion is the better part of valor here.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
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I disagree, but you're

I disagree, but you're obviously entitled to your opinion.

I hope I'm always wrong when I say that I don't think a recruit is going to pan out.  That ought to be obvious.  I'm a huge Michigan fan and I want all these guys to be All-Americans and first round picks.  But that's not realistic.

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
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I feel like you're one of

I feel like you're one of those stubborn people that even if they know they're wrong, they will dig for any stat to try and somewhat prove their point.  Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery Magnus.  You can do it and the MGOBLOG community is here to support you.  

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
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I don't see what that has to

I don't see what that has to do with anything.  What stats have I used?

You might be right, but that doesn't mean you're right.

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
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Look about 7 posts up, when

Look about 7 posts up, when you were talking about the top 100 recruits that flopped.  All you had to do was admit you may have been wrong about Dawson and that he is the best O Lineman in the world.  

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
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You win.  He's clearly the

You win.  He's clearly the best offensive lineman in the world and will eventually be Ruler of Earth.  

That should make everyone happy.

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
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See you're already making

See you're already making progress! 

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
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how.

How Magnus? HOW COULD YOU SELL HIM SHORT! YOU KNOW WE RULE FUCKING SPACE AND GALAXIES AND SHIT AROUND HERE! YOUR ANALYSIS IS AWFULLLLLLLLLL

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
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But I thought that was

But I thought that was Zoltan's job?  I'm so confused...

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
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Well I'm not happy. I don't

Well I'm not happy. I don't think you should have conceded anything, even if it was done in jest.

I think the crap you are being handed is much the same reason why some people stop giving their opinion. I don't mind opinions as long as they are backed up with some form of intelligent reasoning. But since they are opinions, I do what most people should do, I take it with a grain of salt.

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
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Would it make you feel better

Would it make you feel better if I started singing the Rebecca Black "Friday" song?

 

Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin’ forward to the weekend 
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June 29th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
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I feel like my opinions

I feel like my opinions should be taken as fact, and other people's opinions are merely suggestions.  So the fact that you take my opinions with a grain of salt is dumb.

Don't worry - I'll continue to give my opinion.  I've been called a dick 1,000 times on here.  I don't think 1,001 is going to change anything.

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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Quick question, you have over

Quick question, you have over 23,000 posts, other than making shitty evaluations of college bound football players do you have a real job?

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:26 AM
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I love puppies.  The way they

I love puppies.  The way they bound around so much, they make for good target practice.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:07 AM
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Ha, he said lately. That's

Ha, he said lately. That's cute.

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I think we have some nice

I think we have some nice receivers with Darboh and Chesson. Also IMO Morris should probably red shirt unless he is our clear cut best option his freshmen year. That gives us this year, next year, and possibly the following year to find that guy who his highly regarded as a "stud". I don't think it's impossible to get a guy who's an impact receiver as a freshmen like Sammy Watkins. Obviously the sooner we get that receiver the better, but there is no need to panic.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
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I figure it this way.

The chances that Morris comes in, without enrolling early, and grasps the playbook well enough to beat out both Gardner AND Bellomy is slim. Shane is extremely talented, but having 4 years left to destroy the B10 after a prep year would be ideal for him.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
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If Ferns is really serious about med school

he's coming to Michigan.

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June 29th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
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I

Speaking from one who has gone through it, medical school is medical school. It really doesnt matter where you go for pre-clinical. I had kids from the smallest colleges in the country at school with me, and they did fine.

And Notre Dame i believe has one of, if not the highest, pre-medical acceptance rates in the country, just saying.

Penn State sucks. 

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
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LB Recruiting-

has been absolutely unbelievable the last 2 years.  At some point a guy like Ferns is going to look at our depth chart and see 3 deep at every position!

Ferns size and speed for a HS JR is phenominal.  The kids going to be an absolute beast by time he hits a college campus.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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Hmm.

I don't think having a 3 deep is bad, especially at LB. 

And most colleges across the country have stacked up depth charts, especially elite programs. If I was a defensive LB recruit, I would think that I would want a year to bulk up.

And for what it's worth, but PSU and ND have 3 deeps at their LB spots.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
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He is going to be a stud!!

He is going to be a stud!!

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
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Rodriguez liked recruiting

Rodriguez liked recruiting kids from Florida.

Hoke likes recruiting Juniors and IIIs.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
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Good heads up Magnus.  I'll

Good heads up Magnus.  I'll keep that in mind if we have a son in November.  How old will Hoke be in 2030?

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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I think he's 52 now, so...I'm

I think he's 52 now, so...I'm not very good at math...maybe 59?

EDIT: He's 53.  So he'll be 60.  Or 75.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
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Wow

You really are bad at math...

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
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Maybe so, but I'm excellent

Maybe so, but I'm excellent at Sudoku.  And that's what really matters.

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June 29th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
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Wow, definitely one of the

Wow, definitely one of the better Detroit News articles that Sam has done, I highly recommend that everyone follow the link. Most of the time Webb just turns to his Scout colleagues to get a fluff scouting report and has one or two quotes from the prospect where they give generic answers about what they're looking for in a school, but this really went in-depth into his specific situation. It's very cool to see recruiting from an intimate perspective like that and get taken through what a recruiting visit can be like step by step. These coaches just seem so damn good at selling Michigan to these prospects, and it's exciting to see what that entails.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
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That was some of Sam's best

That was some of Sam's best work, O FO SHO, I found myself wanting to BLOCKQUOTE about 75% of the article

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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Something Of Note

This was a great, detailed piece on Michael Ferns III and the state of things regarding his recruitment. Good work by Webb here.

I found this interesting:

"The respect and admiration for Hoke stemmed from the recommendation from one of his star players at Ball State, former quarterback Nate Davis. A high school star in nearby Bellaire, Ohio, the Davis family has been effusive in its praise of Hoke. When the Ferns met Hoke face to face they found that praise to be well deserved"

One of the things that I really like about Hoke is that even the players and staff at jobs from his past speak highly of him, and if their network extends to kids such as Ferns, then I can only see this as helping us in the future, at least potentially. We obviously won't get every target, but it seems that all of the networking that goes on around recruting and the fact that people hold Brady Hoke in such high esteem is a good combination for us. It is a great advantage to have a head coach that people recommend visiting basically regardless of which job he may currently have.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
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And just generally speaking

how great is it to have a coach who EVERbody loves?  Every person he's come in contact with has nothing but great things to say, going back years.

Seriously, I'm jealous.  Everyone I've worked with thinks I'm a dick.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
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I wonder Dantonio thinks of

I wonder Dantonio thinks of him.

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June 29th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
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Since his introductory press

Since his introductory press conference, Hoke has just been flawless. I can't think of anything he's done or said wrong. Maybe I'm just a homer, but we got a hell of a man leading this program.

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
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That was a great article and very encouraging

as far as Ferns III coming here potentially.  It sounds like the parents were VERY impressed by the campus and the entire visit.  These are the kinds of student/athletes Michigan really must get.  4.0 students who are also studs on the field or court.  Given his 3 main options, I like Michigan's chances. 

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June 29th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
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I would be surprised if Ferns

I would be surprised if Ferns didn't commit to Michigan, considering he truly sounds invested 100% in academics, and isn't blowing smoke like some other recruits.

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June 29th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
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The job Jerry Montgomery is

The job Jerry Montgomery is doing for UM is just TREMENDOUS!

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June 30th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
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This.  I think this may be

This.  I think this may be the most important take-away from the entire article (aside from the fact that Michael Ferns seems to be a great young man with his priorities straight).  I feel like we have been seeing this theme emerge more and more as we progress through the current recruiting class (Coach Montgomery doing a fantastic job on the recruiting trail).  It really is wonderful to hear about the coaches doing such a great job, but it also makes me wonder how long Coach Hoke will be able to hold on to all of them . . . 

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