i think it's likely we take 2 RBs in 2015, one now and a spot open for harris.
Sam Webb Re: Damien Harris and George Campbell Status
is definitely one of those guys you make room for no matter who you have committed. Nuss may or may not look at Weber the same way.
I hope Harris' mom is right, and he finds his way back to Michigan.
is a no-brainer. Just take I-75 all the way and he should be golden - he should be there in about 5-6 hours depending on traffic conditions. Problem solved!
That was pretty good.
there may be a flaw in my argument if Harris doesn't have his driver's license yet. Anyone know the legal driving age in Kentucky?
I think it's 12.
Damn you and your millisecond head start
are confusing the legal driving age with the legal consent age in Kentucky.
That's the age to marry your first cousin.
Funny story: In North Carolina, you can marry your double first cousin (first cousin on both sides) if she's 12 and pregnant. I love North Carolina, but its marriage laws are straight 19th century.
I'm gonna need a cite for this, hawss.
My bad--either the law changed or my memory isn't what it used to be. It's 14.
I read that as doable first cousin at first and I was all like well who decides that?
You have to be 15 to drive.
LOL That's funny.
Exciting part is the drive through Ohio...
there is nothing ever ever ever ever exciting about Ohio. You shut your dirty whore mouth!
Is seeing if you can go faster than 60 mph with a Michigan license plate and avoid a speeding ticket.
is where we'll see how really good of a recruiter Nuss is. If we can get one of these guys back, then all the hype is warranted.
I don't know if that's really fair to him. Recruiting's a long process and he didn't get the head start with these guys that other schools' coaches did. If he gets them, I see that a definite plus in his book but if he doesn't, it's not automatically a minus.
If he doesn't get them back, I don't think its a negative at all. I would like to think that its a no-lose situation being able to get them back. My hope is that his reputation as an OC leads these top-rated recruits back into the fold and gives Michigan as good of a shot at getting them as anyone else. THEN, the Michigan Difference takes over...
And the six months is just a wider window to be able to recruit 2015 players, enough time before NSD for that class.
Michigan's problem isn't recruiting. Its that they are just plain mediocre on the field. And since they don't play a game for seven months, there's nothing that Nuss can do between now and then to fix it.
He can sell his offense, and sell Michigan turning it around (again...who's getting dizzy?), but that's only going to be good enough to get into a recruit's ear. To seal the deal, they've got to win on the field.
I wasn't necessarily identifying what Michigan's problems are, I was only saying that if Nuss is as good of a recruiter that we've hyped him to be, he could get one of those guys back. If neither of them come back, as was identified, it isn't a negative at all.
But I agree, results on the field is the best recruiter we can have. However, don't read too much into what I was saying. I wasn't commenting on his coaching, just the power of his reputation as a recruiter.
I got your point, but given the state of Michigan's program (the on the field part) I don't think there's much the best recruiter in the world could do over the next six months. There's just very little that they can legitimately sell over that time span.
They might be able to reel in some high three star or low four star type recruits, but I think any high rated recruit is going to hold off and wait to see the on field product. And since its going to be a small class, I don't think Michigan will persue those lower level recruits that hard.
So like I said, I doubt much happens in the next six months.
which is good going forward. Hopefully,his guardian will let GEORGE make his mindup and not impede him.
Lookin good for Harris. I think we should get both Weber and harris for 2015 and let the 2014 RB situation sail. Campbell could be a program changer and we really need him.
but I'm still confident that Green's best days are still ahead of him. I think he has a break out year in 2014.
And 2014 supports zone blocking.
a lot and believe that he and TVH are the most accurate sources out there for predicting Michigan recruiting outcomes, but I don't think there's a chance in hell that Campbell's coming back into the fold. Harris I'll buy, but not Campbell. I hope I'm wrong.
I get a feeling that he was swayed away from his family and has lost that desire to come here. Also, this makes me think it is more unlikely that he will want to play here because it sounds like he cares more about what his family thinks. I don't believe this is a bad thing necessarily. Some people are family people. However, if he was truely a Michigan fan his whole life and then all the sudden allowed his parents to change his mind about coming here, that tells me his parents probably don't want him that far away.
on several occasions since he decommitted, and once said "that ship has sailed" in his opinion. Knowing Sam, he'll always say there's a chance until a commit signs elsewhere, but he's made it clear he's not gonna figure Campbell will return.
so his family didn't see the school and they were ok with him committing here? Especially being a kid from Florida.
He gave a verbal. It's meaningless.
they are all verbal before they sign.
Except for the silent ones.
Smash Williams verbally committed to Bama in the heat of the moment and eventually ended up at A&M. Anything can happen.
... I saw it.
Went to TMU
Smash committed to TMU (not Bama), but ended up walking on at A&M following his first year at Whitmore after having his DI scholarship offers pulled because of the fight he got into at a movie theater. (Granted, word was, the fight was over some white kids making racist comments towards his sister, so pretty understandable.)
...and now he's a doctor! Looks like Smash made a good choice.
at one time Harris, Campbell, Hand and McDowell all seemed like locks and now it seems as tho UM will be lucky to land one. I'd be curious, of those 4, who would be the most coveted if you could only choose one.
would be Hand. Top 10 caliber talent at a specific position of need (pass rushing DE). I get that McDowell could fit that mold as well so I'd have him #2 on the list, but since Hand was the better prospect I'd rank them as Hand, McDowell, Campbell and Harris. As much as I'd love to have Harris, I feel there's more need from a high-end talent perspective in the near term at DL and WR than at RB. After getting Green and Smith last year and having a realistic shot at Weber next year, Harris was (relatively) more of a luxury than the other guys.
You're skewing it by eliminating Peppers. I think if I had to chose one, it would be Peppers.
i figure Peppers was a no brainer as the top choose above any of those other guys but for me it doesn't lessen the degree to which is hurts if we are to lose out on all 4 of those other guys. Now if Pepper too would have decommitted... then we'd be breaking out the anti-depression meds.
While I like Peppers better as a potential gamebreaker than Hand, it could be argued that there was more of a position-specific need for Hand. It all depends on what you think of the existing group of DB's already on the roster. Personally, I think Michigan's secondary (for a change) isn't the biggest problem on defense. The D-Line has been a sore spot for the last 2 years and doesn't seem to have enough gamebreakers to really push through.
At least in the secondary, we've got two pretty experienced CBs in Taylor and Countess, and two young guys who seem to have good potential in Lewis and Stribling and got meaningful game experience this year. Sure they got burned on a few memorable plays but at least their positioning was pretty solid. They look like they can actually play tight man coverage without getting completely lost, so picture that technique mixed with more seasoning and some additional weight put on each of them as they become sophomores and juniors.
To me, choosing Peppers over Hand is all about how much you believe in Lewis, Stribling and Dymonte Thomas long-term. If you think only one of those guys will really pan out as a good-great player, then I can see where Peppers becomes more of a need than Hand. Otherwise, I still say Hand because who in the current 2-deep on the D-Line do you see as having the potential to truly create a consistent, organic pass rush? Frank Clark, maybe, and he's entering his last year anyway so he's not exactly a long-term solution to this problem.
I'm looking at contributions down the road on returns and possibly offense.
Sam Webb is the most connected reporter of anyone covering UM sports and possibly recruiting overall. So I'll take his word on it when he says that getting Peppers was much more important than getting hand. He said Jabrill is among the top prospects Scout has ever evaluated, and while hand is good, someone at his level or better comes around every year
So we care about recruiting talented players now? In the other thread, it was a bad thing to have all these 4/5 stars looking at Michigan.
Not a single person was actually making this argument, including the OP who knowingly posted a satirical article.
Time to let it go.
Seeing how early they committed, I wouldn't have been too disappointed if you told me one would actually come.
I agree with the premise of this article. I feel good about Harris but not so much so about Campbell. I think he is just giving an excuse for now because he is staying in the south. Odd that his reason for decommittment is that his family did not get to visit yet he does not have plans to make an OV to bring them along.
Does not hurt that mom thinks the process will bring Harris back to Michigan.
Gotta listen to mom, young man. "Get you behind to Ann Arbor", exclaimed Mrs. Harris.
Saying that you decommited because your family never saw Michigan, then saying he may not even take an official visit there, makes no sense to me. I don't think he's coming back to the class, which makes getting guys like Canteen and Harris that much more important this year.
I am fairly confident Harris will come back. It wasn't surprising that he wanted to take some visits. David Dawson did the same thing and wound up back at Michigan. Shoot, David Dawson may even bring hope for Campbell because I remember most on here thought he wasn't going to be back.
Other than Dawson who do you recall decommitting and then coming back into the fold? I think it's pretty darn rare for a kid to say yes, then no, then yes again. While I would be very (pleasantly) surprised to see Harris join Dawson in that fairly exclusive club I'm personally counting as gone.
but it's good to hear it through Sam Webb actually talking to those involved.
Campbell is a pretty longshot now, but if they can convince him to take an official to Michigan that would be huge.
Harris has a good chance to get back in the class, but if not Nuss is at least going after other RBs more aggressively. It would be awesome if he could somehow get Weber and Harris.
Honestly, it sounds like they have to convince the Campbell family of an OV, not George himself.
`Will Nuss sign more recruits, a la Alabama? Now that would make Brian apopleptic.
I'm a big fan of the college football team I like getting really good players.
We suck and will never get a top recruit ever again! Thinking this way ensures you will either be right, or happy to be wrong. Thoughts to live by.
Nuss needs to DO SOME WORK this year with the offensive line. We must show big progress with the run game. That will be a major factor as I will bet every rival will use it to neg-recruit.
He's changing the scheme to zone; this would involve "SOME WORK"...hopefully outcomes too.
So, Campbell decommits because his family didn't get a chance to see Michigan and therefore feels he committed too soon. So, how to fix that? Have them visit Michigan with him. But no, he says he's not even sure he'll take an official?!? The fact that he goes from committed to not sure he'll even official, makes me think the reason he gave isn't the real reason.
Sounds to me like his family wants to live it up and attend his games each week... they cannot do that if he comes up north.
He will decide when he is comfortable. This is not about us understanding him.
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just think trying to figure out someone and their motives is mostly impossible and totally outside of our control.
It won't be -10F when they head from their hotel to Schembechler Hall.
I think either he has soured on Michigan or there are other people in his ear who want him to go elsewhere. Btw- I am no way ripping the kid. He needs to make the right decision for himself and his family. It just sounds like that will not be Michigan for some reason.
The uncle was never very enthusiastic when campbell made his decision and Michigan's crappy season coupled with FSU's dream season probably didn't help
if the problem is that he wants to take other visits and have his family visit also, the solution to that is take an official visit to Michigan, but then he says he is not sure if they will visit Michigan.
Obviously there is more to this story then he is letting on.
Why? It's clear that his family wants to be able to see him play in person, and unless they're wealthy they can't do that while living in Florida.
That there's more to the story. So I think I've come up with a solution. I'm going to like him on Facebook and follow him on twitter and just ask him several hundred times why he no likes us no more.....
Did Nuss coach Julio Jones? I feel like that recruiting pitch could help with Campbell.