Sam Webb Podcast 12-7-11: Dunn, Wright, Chesson
http://www.wtka.com/pages/9395307.php packed full 12 minutes from this morning. In case you missed it.
Wright and Chesson updates are very positive. Also some interesting insight on Brionte Dunn and where that is at. Plus mention of the tight end from Kyle Kalis' school from a thread already up.
The comparison Sam makes between Chesson and a former Michigan standout is also interesting.
December 7th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^
Taliesin West was Frank Lloyd Wright's winter home/studio.
Very cool place, would recommend the tour if not done. Also, stay at the Arizona Biltmore if you like that style of architecture.
Waaaay OT, of course
December 7th, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^
I let the first Wright is an AZ thing go, but now have to stand up for Oak Park, IL and point out that was ground zero for him and his prarie style. AND he ate his hot dogs with all sorts of tomatoes and relish and shit, and ate nothing but deep dish. Chicago woo!
December 7th, 2011 at 4:13 PM ^
December 7th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
Thank you Magnus... I needed someone with credibility, to say this about Dunn. I saw his video and wasn't floored. If you could choose a RB from 2012 or 2013 that we recruited, who would it/they be ? I wanted Keith Marshall. Havent seen Isaac play.
December 7th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
I like Dunn a lot based on the clips I've seen. I think he looks like a guy who could help wear a defense out with the violence of his running style. He'd also be a very nice threat to have on 3rd & 1...I'd want him a great deal even if his other choice was Florida, though stealing him from OSU does of course make the idea of getting him all the better.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:23 AM ^
that linebackers are not a huge need. Not only with the guys coming in this class I think some guys stepped up this year who will not just hand over there starting jobs. More important than recruits is that in year one these coaches showed they can coach kids up. That being said i think we can expect more recruits to develope into stars and less complete bust.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^
I just think we are too far behind now, and this recent development sealed the bag. Whatever, he is really good, but we got Fitz for now and RBs don't have to sit and develop as long as many other positions. Hopefully we get some insane backs next year. Also when we got the line that we do coming in, I could probably run behind them for 4 ypc. At least that is what I am hoping for.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:34 AM ^
The sheer lack of depth we have on the O-line it would not be the end of the world if we used that schollie for another O-lineman.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:35 AM ^
I think the reason why people on this board are obsessed with Dunn is because of the flip of Kalis and the fact that Ohio's recruits are open game. Plus we all know that Hoke has pursued very hard after Dunn and for a very long time. His heart is at OSU so thats where he will end up.
December 7th, 2011 at 1:46 PM ^
I mean it speaks major volume as to the recruiting efforts that these coaches are putting forward. A guy who has grown up a buckeye, committed to the buckeyes long ago, and these coaches are selling Michigan that well, that the kid steps back and not only re thinks his committment, but stands on the sidelines of that schools rival, in the biggest game of the year for both schools........I find that just a"maize"ing
December 7th, 2011 at 10:38 AM ^
Nobody should spend even five seconds feeling bad when he signs with OSU. If lightning strikes and he comes up to A2, that's more frosting on an already heavily frosted cake. I'd rather have another highly-rated OL, DB, or LB anyhow.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:12 AM ^
Eh we are pretty set at LB for this class. But I wouldn't mind taking a 5* OL (Garnett) or DB (Wright) if we miss out on Dunn. If we do miss out on Dunn, we have to recruit Ty Issacs, etc. hard next year.
December 7th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
I dunno guys, but Id rather have Wright over Dunn. Itd be nice to get both, but Id be more upset if we didnt land Yuri. He is a big, physical corner, and we need those. We have nice depth in the secondary already, but damn, imagine having Wright and Countess lock down WRs for the next 3+ years.
I aslo think Ty Issac might be a better prospect too. So, like some of you have mentioned, itd def would not be a huge loss if Dunn went to osu. I think we all enamored with the fact that we could potentially steal another big recruit from the bad guys. That is great and all, but Id rather have guys that 100% want to be a Michigan Wolverine. Plus, if Dunn does commit to them, we could hopefully have room for another OL.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:38 AM ^
Well glass half full missing Dunn gives an extra spot to wait for Diggs/Diamond/Garnett (5 stars)
December 7th, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^
I'm just getting really tired of the Brionte mania, and I'm really sick of seeing a player's recruitment turning into a competition between fanbases and somehow being turned into a signal of progress.
I want people to remember some things:
1. Brionte is gonna pick what he feels is best for him, and he is going to incorporate factors into his decision that has nothing to do with the style, strength, or direction of the football team.
2. Michigan is recruiting at a level that will bring talent to the HB position. Getting worked up over the relative talents of Wes Brown, Greg Garmon, Brionte Dunn, Ty Isaacs, or whatever HB commits Michigan brings in over the next couple seasons is ridiculous. This is doubly true with the quality of OL commits they have coming in and with the flashes Rawls showed in his limited time.
3. Urban Meyer will not be bringing along Dan Mullen, who is a spread QB guru. Florida's offense collapsed when Mullen left, and he was the QB coach that helped turn Alex Smith into a dominant college quarterback. This is not a "Meyer will fail" point; Meyer is very likely to succeed without him. What this does mean is that it is way too premature to determine that Dunn will not play a substantial role in Meyer's offense. When you consider that spread option teams generally look for a inside/edge compatibility between their QB and HB, it stands to reason that Braxton Miller will take on the Percy Harvin edge threat role, and Dunn could take on the interior Tim Tebow rushing role.
4. Al Borges has made very dangerous 1000 yard rushers out of his last two backs, Hillman and Toussaint. These two backs are almost identical: 5'10, 180lbs, very shifty, with a low center of gravity, and good speed. They are not much like Brionte Dunn.
My advice would be: 1. Don't get your hopes up too far. 2. Don't worry about it too much.
This is Michigan fergodssakes!
December 7th, 2011 at 11:16 AM ^
I echo your same sentiment. I think folks are forgetting that months ago this kid was a pleasant surprise in regards to his interest and would be considered a "bonus." By no means is Dunn a make or break recruit for this class. Sure, he is an excellent talent and running back is a position that good depth is necessary, but if he wasn't to land, this would not set the program back (see: 2008 QB).
If Dunn doesn't commit, at the very least it does not raise any depth questions with any future recruits who perhaps don't want to wait behind him, like a Ty Issac or Wyatt Shallman (I think I remember reading here that the coaches offered him as a RB).
December 7th, 2011 at 10:46 AM ^
December 7th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
I guess I'll play spoiler:
Dunn is taking an official to Ohio this weekend and could not succeed in convincing Kalis to join him.
This makes sense.
He came to Michigan two weekends in a row (right? Nebraska and Ohio games?) and got in home visits by an assistant and our head coach. He knows our pitch. He's seen us win in person. He saw the rivalry from our perspective.
Now it's Urban Meyer's turn.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:09 AM ^
Slight correction, he will get an in home by Coach Hoke. It is scheduled for tomorrow, last I knew.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:18 AM ^
You have 6666 mgopoints. I am honored that you chose to correct me with that post.
Ed: Now it's 6667 and I have to edit this post and make it useful and relevant.
It's only fair and fitting that the last voice in Dunn's head comes from the school he grew up wanting to attend and their new coach that is trying to harden a soft commitment. I am not at all worried that Hoke won't be the latest person in his ear and would have been very surprised in that instance. The news of Dunn taking an OV to OSU after Hoke's visit isn't a good or a bad thing.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but you are welcome. Nice picture by the way. I uploaded a new one, but is not showing for some reason. Weird too since I did it yesterday and on my iPad at home it showed up just fine while on the internet.
Edit: Now it is showing up.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
Michigan will be his last official, mid-December, per @TomVH
December 7th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^
Actually, TomVH said that he was surprised Dunn visited OSU this weekend instead of UM & that IF he visits the following weekend that will be more telling.
My personal opinion, after the switch this weekend; things are not looking good for us. From the ESPN premium info, it sounds like the kid is truly confused and Meyer is whispering sweet nothings in his ear that he wants to believe...
December 7th, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
If that holds true, that would be a good sign, IMO.
December 7th, 2011 at 10:53 AM ^
Didn't Dunn attend THE GAME on an official as our guest and stand on Michigan's sideline in full OSU gear? That tells you all you need to know IMO. Who comes in on an official and rocks the enemy opposing team's stuff? GO BLUE!
December 7th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^
No, he attended the game in like a flannal shirt or something, then took his picuture on the M with Dymonte Thomas and Shane Morris, which becaame his twitter profile picture.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^
I believe that was after the Nebraska game.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^
You are extremely wrong
December 7th, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^
The thing with Dunn for me is not how he will affect Michigan whether he comes or goes, but just the satisfaction of Ohio not getting him. I feel the same with Gunner Kiel and ND. We don't need him, but I just want him to go anywhere other than ND. Does that make me a bad person?
December 7th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^
Wouldn't matter much if he went to ND... if the way Christ and Rees turned out is any indication
December 7th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^
It will still make my ND friend completely insufferable from signing day until they lose to Michigan in South Bend. And, unfortunately, the ND game is kind of late next year, I believe.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^
I just looked up the St. Edwards High School profile on Rivals to check out the tight end that Sam was talking about - and wow! I knew St Edwards was a power house but their line is incredible.
Sam Gant TE 6'6" 240 lbs - committed to Boston College
Tyler Orlosky OL 6'4" 290 lbs - committed to West Virginia
Kyle Kalis OL 6'5" 302 lbs - comitted to Michigan
Sean Connelly OL 6'7" 290 lbs - offers from MAC level schools
Not to mention:
Greg Kuhar DL 6'3" 265 lbs - committed to Northwestern
All those bigs on one high school team is crazy!
December 7th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^
It's "Grant" not Gant.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^
that none of these players are staying in ohio? And tsio's line is not great, nor deep.
Go Blue!
December 7th, 2011 at 11:41 AM ^
The only one with an OSU offer is Kalis, and the only options other than OSU are MAC schools or Cincinnati. It's not surprising that they're leaving Ohio.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^
Regardless of what Dunn does, virtually anyone we throw out there at running back is going to do pretty well because of the offensive line we'll have.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^
Does Kalis redshirt?
December 7th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
Yes. I don't think he's good enough to start, and there's no reason to play an OL if he's just a backup. They'll be able to get backup snaps out of Mealer, Miller, etc.
December 7th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
Kalis that. He plans on contributing immediately
December 7th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^
Adrian Arrington...but faster. Boom Fred Jackson'd!
December 7th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
Did Pittman decommit from MSU? I thought I heard he is gonna visit Ohio.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:45 AM ^
He is ike Dunn but for msu and ohio. committed but seeing what its like else where. Pittman might want to stay with msu via the fact noah spence is showing uber interest in ohio. if Michigan didn't have the oline coming in that they do, I would fear for Devin and Shanes lifes. Spence and Washington on the same line is going to be impressive ( if Spence goes to Ohio)
December 7th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
I'm not sure why there are so many negative Nancys in regards to Dunn's recruitment. He visited UM our last two games, we're in great shame folks. I don't see his official to Ohio this weekend as a negative sign at all. Hoke visits thursday and makes his pitch, then he'll hear Urban's pitch and realize it sucks. Then he comes back to AA for his last official visit, Hoke n crew will have the last shot to close him. There's a saying in sales that the first person to speak loses. Well, that's Urban Meyer, Hoke will close the deal. This sets up perfectly for UM IMO. #notconcernedwithohio
December 7th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^
I would be less of a negative Nancy IF Dunn had a scheduled Michigan OV next weekend. There is no guarantee he will be coming back to A2 after his weekend in CBus.
December 7th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
Thank you for the post. Your post and similar others helps me keep up with recruiing and related issues without searching myself. It is greatly appreciated as is this site.
December 7th, 2011 at 2:14 PM ^
I'm no recruiting expert but the comparison on Jehu Chesson to Adrian Arrington. Arrington was a big go up and get it possesion receiver. Jehu is a grounded receiver. His leaping ability doesn't look impressive.
December 7th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^
DUNN will be a Buckeye