It said that the coaches were waiting to offer him (Tranquill) because a kid they had previously offered might commit soon.
Sam Webb new commit watch
Dwight Williams, I believe. Coaches apparently told Tranquill if Williams goes elsewhere he'll get an offer.
He's at the opening, no?
Yes he is.
Tranquill doesn't seem to be deciding until late July anyway, so that would seem to rule him out.
Minnesota and Purdue want this three-star SO BAD.
You know, to the downvoters: that was a legitimate comment. If his offer holds true, with Watson's committment, this could be his last chance to commit, if he's worried about another DB taking his place. So...in the same manner as O-Linemen dropping earlier than they expected because their potential places started filling up: maybe it's Westphal.
I find myself complaining about this a lot these days. That -1 button is like an anonymous driveby. The problem is that most people don't know how to use it. They neg someone for an opinion or suggestion they don't agree with. This is a "forum", so if you have a counterpoint, put it out there. Negging someone does not help create a discussion. If the goal of a forum is to create a meaningful discussion on a topic, the +/- feature is its enemy. Instead of requiring a solid rebuttal, all you have to do is hit -1. There's no dialogue. Too many people on here don't realize that the -1 should only be used if someone is not trying to add anything to the discussion.
How dare you bad mouth all of the ghostof... Accounts/comments on this board!
see ya over there.
People hit upvotes and negs for all sorts of reasons. I probably only vote on two or three of a hundred posts (sometimes a lot less than that) and they probably run 10-1 for positive votes. The advantage of not having to always explain a vote (whether positive or negative) is it helps keep the discussion going rather than getting bogged down with a back and forth on tangential details. I don't neg posts that make a point I disagree with; I just respond with my disagreement. By far the most common reason that I neg posts is because of a snarky tone, a comment that is likely to derail the discussion because someone else will then respond in kind. Negging and not commenting does a better job of defusing a possible flame war than commenting would. Besides, there's a pretty simple solution if you think someone has been unfairly negged (and I do this quite frequently too), just upvote the post.
It's not a perfect system, and I'm sure some posters on occasion abuse it, but by and large it seems to work fairly well.
The -1 drive by's have been getting so bad that I had to change my settings so that I could actually see some posts. Some threads were getting like 50% grayed-out posts because everybody was -1ing everything that moved.
I agree, Belisarius. The first name that popped into my mind was Westphal too. Like you said, maybe he saw the seats on the bus were starting to fill up quickly.
I have no idea why someone would have negged you for that comment, however it looks like you're now back up to 5 anyway.
Some people may disagree but i found something early in the process very telling to me at least...or maybe i read too much into it...After a Westphal visit he said something along the lines of "The coaches want to take time to evaluate 2014 kids and not rush anyone into a verbal" and in the way he said it i took it as he liked UM but the coaches wanted him to take his time.
Not more than a week later Michael Ferns dropped for UM..And ever since i have felt there is something off about the Westphal/UM situation...It could be alot of things including him just simply not being ready..Just my opinion but i feel there is more to it
The coaches say that to virtually every kid. They don't like having kids rush into things, because then they might end up de-committing, wanting to visit elsewhere, etc. Westphal may have said that, but so have a ton of guys who are committed.
Agreed..I felt like Westphal was strongly considering making a verbal at the time but maybe the coaches were waiting on the "elite" options to decide first.
Ready and buckled up
Too much of the color green in that gif
Plush and comforting. One passes through the superficial green shell to find the blue of home.
I would like to see the outtakes though. Probably way less cool but much funnier.
To turn this into Ace Carpal Tunnel '13?
In the CoachBrown interview, Tranquil says, "They offered a kid ahead of me about a year ago... He's committing here soon! If he commits they won't offer, if not then they plan on offering."
That is interesting. Williams won't commit until after his officials....
Does'nt that seem awful weird his response is "He's committing here soon!" to another kid getting his spot. He doesn't sound too upset. No?
Also, committing "here"? Sounds like Tranquill is saying they'll both be part of Michigan's class. Could just be strange wording and I'm reading too much into it (in recruiting? that never happens), but I found it odd nonetheless
that Michigan wouldn't offer if the other guy commits, so the point is moot.
I hope it's JuJu I think that would be a huge pull
When I read the Tranquill quote I assumed that "committing here soon" meant that the other prospect would be making his decision soon not necessarily committing "here" as in Michigan.
Interesting thought, and one that doesn't necessarily apply here, but it may... Would it make sense for our coaches to recruit hard up until this point, then start offering backup plans now to fill the class. Before you neg me, two things. One, I don't claim that Tranquill is a backup plan, just that he may be. Two, if the coaches set fall camp as their deadline for aggressively recruiting 2014 kids, save for guys like Smith and Hand, and they fill up the roster with a few sleepers, they get another head start on aggressively hitting the 2015 class. It's sort of the Texas philosophy, sans the talent rich state. If they artificially give themselves an early deadline to wrap up 2014, they get a huge head start on 2015. (Sorry for the single paragraph, but until Brian and IE10 fix their lovers quarrel, I'm unable to use the enter button on this PC. IE10 didn't stop me from typing that massive run-on sentence though, that was all me.)
I tried saying something like this earlier and all hell broke loose. I agree with you if it means anything. It seems an awful lot like Texas.
Hell shouldn't break loose for suggesting this, unless you purport to know this as a truth. Speculation never hurt anyone, and the strategy described above could be a very valid one. A lot of people on here pass themselves as passionately critical thinkers, but will disregard anything that isn't the status quo. It's a pretty interesting phenomenon. This site would lose all credibility if everyone around here just goes around agreeing with each other. It'd be a giant circle jerk with pictures of cats and GIFs of Kate Upton.
Apparently I underestimated the percentage of members on this site that enjoy jerking off to pictures of cats and GIFs of Kate Upton. A rookie mistake for someone who has been here so long. I know that this is what struck a chord, as the rest of my post was perfectly valid.
"Speculation never hurt anyone..."
And that is when I started tuning out.
Don't worry about it, it appears you haven't fallen into the - yes sir - mode yet.
Not for nothing, but that's a hilariously revisionist version of what you were saying earlier.
"I just dont get it for now. I take it this means were giving up on westphal as well? It's june and hoke is letting up on blue chips already. I can understand if in the Winter hoke wants to fill the class like this but when Jackson, Smith, Westphal, and even Scott and Williams have you, i dont know. I trust hoke I just wish he would rally the sleeper of the year guys at the end. "
I'm not sure if it is a backup plan so much as putting a big emphasis on SMSB and other camps. Assuming it is Tranquill, all three of our commits this weekend are folks whose stock rose coming out of SMSB. Stribling last year recieved his offer after attending a Michigan camp. Tranquill had a good camp and supposedly also drew some ND interest.
It is getting the word that the Michigan staff is willing to shift their priority and offers up based on camp performances. It's good for us because it ensures a steady crop of "sleepers" will be eager to come to our camps and hope for an offer. I say "sleepers", because Stribling aside, most of our diamonds in the rough are 3*s who camp and just end up looking like 4 * to 4.5* star players so they draw an offer. Also might help nudge some of those other guys into committing before they get displaced by a camp performance.
I agree with you that both commits from today look like serious players. My suggestion is not about settling for marginal players, more so about setting a self imposed timeline for recruiting 2014, so that you stay a step ahead of the competition. Coaching staffs are worked very hard, and they have 24 hours per day just like the rest of us. It would make sense for some coaches to try to get out to an early start each year, and this would be the method to do so.
I think if they make it a real deadline, they would risk cutting off people who are just taking their time. What it could be in a way is a polite way of telling some people to "shit or get off the pot". So, if some people are waiting to commit because they know we are saving the spot, and they probably will end up here at some point, but are waiting for one reason or another, it's kind of a shot across the bow, letting people know that we will give the spot to someone else/recruit other people at the position until it's really truly full. It's also a way of not leaving ourselves in the lurch; The Policy, such as it is, is a way of ensuring that we don't have someone commit and keep checking other places out and then switch at the last minute and leave us scrambling. It could be a similar strategy to that.
This will all be self-solving in a few years. Recruits are beginning to realize that the recruiting cycle has moved 6 months earlier, and waiting until January to do the hat dance is a thing of the past.
You will still have a few 5* that can get away with it, but it will be less and less each year. The big loser is the All Star games who get their panache from the surprise announcements in January.
This would make a interesting "Mathlete" type chart, if the data is even avilable . . . percentage of recruits that commit in the Summer vs. Fall vs. Winter/NSD, by Star-category.
I would bet that the chart would show that the commit dates are moving earlier and earlier for all categories, and especially for non-5 Stars.
W\e're all Texas now.
By definition, Tranquill is a backup plan. The coaches basically told him that they want another guy more, but if they miss out, they'll offer Tranquill.
It's okay to say the truth. Be brave. People who neg you or get mad at you for it are just being idiots.
I understood Tranquill's comment to mean that they want him but that they already offered someone and it is that guy's spot to lose. Had the SMSB camp happened before any offers he may have gotten it first.
I'm not saying he isn't a backup plan but the quote just informs us of the approach the staff takes to offers.
He said the guy was offered a year ago.
We've seen elsewhere that if Michigan wants a guy, they'll go ahead and offer him, regardless of what other offers are out there.
Artavis Scott maybe? Hopefully? That'd be awesome.
There is no way it is Tay Scott, with today's commitment we are out of the running
I know Tay Scott is a receiver. Still, there is a chance.
Not with his tweet 5 min ago. Officially eliminated. Well that blows. Hopefully we still have a chance with Campbell in 15.
Since the link mentions him, here are some Tranquill highlights for the board's education. His other offers include Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Indiana, Miami (OH), Minnesota, Purdue, Toledo and Western Michigan. These are courtesy of Hudl....
Looks like he has decent (not great) speed, but I have no clue about the level of competition he's playing against in the highlights.
But man, he looks pretty impressive to me, the way he shakes off blockers and makes the tackle everytime was damn impressive.
To me, he seems like an ideal safety canditate in the Kovacs mold except more athletic seemingly, I hope that is good competition he's playing against, because if so, I want guys on defense who have a nose for the ball, the kid looked like the best player on the field in every play.
That kid looks like a linebacker all the way. I would not be in favor of getting a safety who moves like that. Mattison has said that he wants safeties who are interchangeable and can play both positions, and you would have to hide this kid just like he tried to hide Kovacs in coverage. Perhaps even more so.
Indiana is not known for its football. Carroll is a big high school, but the talent he's playing against is mediocre. I wouldn't be overly impressed by the fact that he seems to be the best athlete on the field.
I wonder if ND will offer.
Ace, do you have any info on what level Tranquill plays at in Ind.
It's gotta be Crawford. He was visiting Miami this weekend and unless that visit blew him away he should commit sometime this week
crawford. Calling it
There's Crawford but I thought he was going to visit Miami (YTM) first. I thought maybe one or two more who were borderline lock/#JPTTA status
Miami is this weekend
Now that Michigan got a commit Down to 3 school UCF Florida Clemson
— DÂ_GRËÂT7 (@tayscott7) June 30, 2013
Something tells me the commit really didn't make a difference. Just a position in his top 2-3. He goin to Clemson
And people on 247 seem to think it's probably talking about Dwight Williams too. Buckle?
I posted about this above here. we knew he probably wasnt coming here though, the problem with him going to celmson is that Campbell is seemingly more interested them now. With a teammate and fellow wide receiver most likely headed there it could really draw him there in the long run
About committing to Michigan he wouldn't be afraid of competing with a (current) 3* receiver. (And UCF?) And if those recruit numbers actually DO scare him away, we didn't want him anyway.
Yeah it is just talk. He wasn't planning on coming here anyways. UCF :) the thing I've learned is it is better to take a kid from camp who wants to be here than a longshot who doesn't. No regrets. I truly believe the coaches can sense when someone has lost interest and they know when to go in a different direction.
But Webb's story is about the 2014 class, linebacker specifically. Sounds like Dwight Williams. I wonder if he's going to make the BBQ. He definitely should.
He just tweeted saying now that michigan got a commit he is down to UCF Florida and Clemson.
rumor was we were going to take 4 receivers. either that was not true, or scott wasn't coming our way anyway. or the staff sees this tweet and calls him to say we will still take you.
williams or westphal is my guess
He says the coaches are only planning on taking three, with the obvious caveat that February is a long ways away.
he puts out a notice like that, is he talking about the next couple days generally?
My wild guess??! Nyles Morgan, LB
I'm going to go with Noah Furbush. Sam mentioned Tranquill but said he is not on commit watch. I am taking that as a hint that a LB is about to commit. We are in on Furbush, Swain, and Williams. Furbush is the only one who has visited, so I'm guessing it is him.
Furbush would be the most reasonable from the standpoint that he is the only one of the three who has visited. However, I think the staff is targeting a guy who would play the WILL spot as they have Ferns (MIKE) and Winovich (SAM) already in the fold. Furbush is not likely to project to the WILL. In other words...I have no idea who it might be.
I seen on twitter reports are that it could be Swain or Furbush, not sure how accurate that is. I think it's going to Crawford.
I wouldn't expect Furbush to end up in this class now either, since he's more of a WDE than a WLB. He could start off at SAM but both Ferns and Winovich can already. I'm hoping for Williams and then he and Peppers can help swing Jackson and/or Smith in.
The coaches recently offered Jimmy Swain (a SAM prospect) and really wanted Darrion Owens (a SAM prospect). I think they would take Dwight Williams (a WILL prospect) if he wanted to commit, but they really seem to want a SAM. Tranquill also appears to be a SAM prospect.
Well, I guess my understanding of what positions these guys project to is WAY off. I honestly thought all of those guys were more likely to be WLB's. Disregard anything I have said in this thread...as I'm sure most posters have already done.
I thought SAMs were kind of like mini-DE's in this defense, meaning that they would need to be pretty tall (6'3" minimum) and heavy (240+ lbs) with good enough speed to keep contain at the edge and rush the passer. I sort of envisioned Shawn Crable as the ultimate SAM. Am I comepletely off in this line of thinking?
Crable was an exceptional athlete, but most SAMs aren't going to be 6'5" like he was. The three guys who have played SAM at Michigan are 6'3" (Beyer, Gordon, Ryan). The coaches just moved the 6'2" Allen Gant there and recruited the 6'4" Chase Winovich, so right around 6'3" is pretty accurate. Tranquill and Swain are both 6'2" so they're pretty close to that mark.
As Brown just droped to Va my guess is its Hand, saying to himself...."what am I waiting for?"
I read what he said in Sam's article and the kid said Michigan offered a kid at MY POSITION and he is going to commit soon. If not etc..
Peace out Artavis Scott! You snoozed and you loosed.
What did he loose?
And i know i am going to get pounded for this..but please for the love of god can we get a NEW BANNER ?? I love Denard but he is in Jacksonville getting ready to move on in life..can we get a Devin Banner ?
The banner was changed in late August 2012. It hasn't even been a year. Chill.
Stop correcting me, Magnus...go create a blog or something
I am predicting Dwight Williams...
I'm pretty sure I just saw an interview with Williams saying that he would be announcing at the U.S. Army game.
its Noah... per his crystall ball
have any kids that play football? If so, that's my guess.
but I have a feeling that Drue and the Wolverines are close to offering and accepting the very same day. Just a gut feeling. Not often you get a kid that could be very good at two different positions, although Lord knows we've tried it far too often lately.