Sam Webb on Malik Mcdowell
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:12 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^
Not "trotting" anything out there...but the list for Michigan is light years longer and more prestigious, no?
Michigan has thousands of Gores and Gilberts, but MSU has really no one like the founders of Google, a President of the United States or the guy running Twitter (which, two of which, have basically revolutionized the internet and changed global culture).
Maybe I am too Maize-blind but it seems to me the accomplishments of UofM grads and the reach of the UofM alum base far exceeds that of MSU. And this fact, proves the point that a UofM degree opens more doors and opportunities, by far, than a MSU degree. And has been stated above, the farther you move away from the state, the more pronounced the difference becomes.
February 5th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^
I'm not disagreeing with the assumption that, as a percentage of alumni, UofM has more "successful", "impactful", or "world reknown" alumni than MSU (although we're dealing with pretty nebulous terms here). I'm just saying that any large school can claim a handful of the uber-elite, so by mentioning three of our most famous alumni, I don't think you're doing much to prove that point. That's all I was saying.
One disagreement though, UofM absolutely does not have "thousands of Gores and Gilberts". I think your loyalty and pride in UofM is going a bit too far there. Both of those guys are on the Forbes 400 list and have accomplished more than 99% (likely higher) of UofM grads. Not a bad thing, just says a lot about them.
February 2nd, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^
For everything he has done in Detroit...but I just think one would be hard pressed to assert that MSU produces these types of folks (and the corresponding opportunities folks like this create) nearly as much as UofM has....If you drill down into white collar and positions of power too...I would guess its not even close, no?
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:00 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
yeah...no. Do not ever compare Michigan academically with MSU. It is not even a close comparison.
February 1st, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
Well you're not wrong about the shortsighted part, but perhaps you forget what being a teenager is like. Shortsighted decisions are practically a requirement for those years.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:08 AM ^
While it may be short sighted. I am confident at this point the bigger consideration will be, have fun now still get paid in a few years. By then the name on the sheep skin will be pretty much immaterial. There is Some merit to that if all goes according to plan. The problem is one can have a great plan and still fall short in execution. I wish him well what ever he chooses... But weller (?) if he goes BLUE!
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^
nothinng to see here FAIL
February 1st, 2014 at 11:48 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 11:55 PM ^
Michigan because of his parents, and he does so with reservations, Malik, his parents, and Michigan may live to regret it.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:06 AM ^
True, but how many kids on the football team commited without any reservations ? I have to imagine there have been many UM athletes that have been enormously succesful having commited with reservations.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:30 AM ^
Many recruits make decisions to please their parents. This would not be a rare case at all. Most of the time they end up being perfectly happy at the school anyway.
February 1st, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
Once upon a time I thought UM was a lock for two 5-star DEs (Hand & McDowell) and now I beleive they are striking out on both...sucks. So goes recruiting. Here's to hoping Charlton & Wormley turn into great DEs!
February 1st, 2014 at 11:52 PM ^
to believe Malik is looking for the instant gratification of the East Lansing night life. If that is so, it is probably best for everyone else involved that he does pick MSU.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:19 AM ^
We need Leaders and Best, not party people.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:03 AM ^
I know it's basically taboo to say ''Harbaugh was correct'' around here but how can you argue against it? How is a degree in general studies from U of M better than a degree in something else at MSU? It's not. And a lot of guys on Michigan's roster are in general studies. So the ''he should choose Michigan because of academics'' thing is pretty much bs. We are not Stanford or Northwestern when it comes to football players.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^
Says nearly all employers.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:28 AM ^
Oh really? What kind of job can you get with a general studies degree? Please explain.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:36 AM ^
I don't know how familiar you are with BGS, but most people in the program are, in fact, basically majoring in some area of study - it's not like they just take a random assortment of classes. The reason why most are in BGS is because they usually have some outside commitment (like, say, having 20 hours of football practice a week) that may make it tough to fit all of the pre-reqs into their course schedule. But most are still basically following a pattern of study. I knew a few people who were in the BGS program and they didn't have any more trouble getting into grad school or getting a job than anyone else I knew.
Here's the link to the program
http://www.lsa.umich.edu/advising/requirements/bgs
February 2nd, 2014 at 1:45 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 8:42 AM ^
That is all.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^
As to your tangent, a large quantity of jobs in America do not require a graduate degree (eg not everyone has to be a lawyer, doctor, engineer, PhD to be successful btw). And, again, per the line of reasoning above, that undergrad degree from Michigan means even more to grad school admissions offices (having done a work study program in one many moons ago).
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^
For many (if not most) employers and grad schools, one's undergraduate major really doesn't matter. Whether it's right or wrong, the prestige of his undergraduate university clearly does, partly because it sends a strong signal about intelligence and work ethic.
Obviously, someone can still be successful going to a lesser school, but going to top universities brings serious rewards independent of people's decisions about majors and concentrations.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:12 AM ^
While I don't think a GS degree from UM is necessarily worse than a specified degree from MSU, I think you can go to either school and get a good job because of the connections you build. Academics are the most overrated recruiting pitch. Unless a kid is dead set on a specific degree and one school is better than the other, I don't think it comes into play in the process much. All the schools have great academic support for athletes as well. Took a tour of U of Toledo football facilities and talked with their head coach and players basically have to not try or have an undiagnosed learning disability to fail their classes. Can't imagine what it's like at a Michigan or other BCS schools.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:41 AM ^
I think the issue isn't so much about academic support and whatnot as that having a degree from some schools carries more weight than others - and also, some schools (like Michigan) have huge alumni networks that can help ex-athletes find jobs after graduation.
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^
frum a Barber college wif a minor in juggeling and I am doing just fine thanks you.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:14 AM ^
UM's athlete degrees are better than MSU's athlete degrees, because we're a significantly better school. Seriously, there's not a single out of state employer in the country who would weigh the same degree from MSU and UM equally.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
Biased much? A worthless liberal arts degree from a prestigious school is just as worthless as it would be at a mac school. It depends on what one gets a degree in.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:27 AM ^
You are underestimating how much just graduating from UofM is worth, regardless of the degree. (Yes I know people don't like my examples, but I don't care) A family friend has a liberal arts degree from UofM and now he is worth hundreds of millions.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:58 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 1:11 AM ^
Yes I agree, but he does credit his success in large part to his studies at Michigan.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:08 AM ^
Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie...many of American's financial and political titans did not graduate from college.
Genius is organic. It does not come from an university, but from a person's natural intelligence.
Mike Illitch is worth BILLIONS and he did not go to an university. For every millionaire college graduate I can name one who did not graduate from college.
Greatness comes not from a degree, but from the character of the person. Raoul Wallenberg did not save 100,000 Jews because he went to UM he saved them because he was a thoroughly decent man.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:45 AM ^
So, you are saying that a degree in GS from a prestigious school (like Harvard or Michigan) is a worthless as one from a MAC school.
smh
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:56 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 1:06 AM ^
Both are (as the poster said) prestigious schools. Is Harvard moreso? Yes, but it's not like Michigan isn't.
Speaking for myself, I didn't really think much about the prestige associated with Michigan growing up, because my parents went here so it was just normal for me to go as well. But in my adult life, people have constantly been like "Wow, how did you get in?" or "Was it really hard to go to school there?" I think some of us from legacy families take U-M for granted.
February 2nd, 2014 at 1:14 AM ^
Michigan is as far removed from Harvard in prestige as MSU is from Michigan. That's not a knock on M. Harvard is Harvard for a reason.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:47 AM ^
Why is this even a debate? It's not close.
February 2nd, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
I think he was just using extreme examples to refute UMxWolverines' delusional post above:
"A worthless liberal arts degree from a prestigious school is just as worthless as it would be at a mac school. It depends on what one gets a degree in."
February 2nd, 2014 at 1:05 AM ^
I know people on here like to compare Michigan and Harvard, but Harvard is truely on a different level than Michigan. Hell Northwestern is regarded as a better school than Michigan.
February 2nd, 2014 at 4:45 AM ^
I would like to add that I heard when I was a player (within the last 13 years) MSU had to clean house on their athletic academic services staff because their athlete's GPAs were so low. FWIW A female basketball player told me their department GPA dropped below a 2.0 in the good old Bobby Williams days. If MSU athletes are graduating with as good or better skills than Michigan athletes that is a very recent development. Also no employer ever asked me much about what I got my degree in. They know it's an NU degree then they want to talk sports. I doubt it's any different for Michigan.
February 2nd, 2014 at 7:51 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2014 at 4:56 AM ^
do not know what you are talking about.
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:33 AM ^