Sam Webb on Malik Mcdowell
Things are looking up for him. Hopefully he will decide to come here because 2014!
...and to be honest, if he's worried about alcohol and girls over football. This really isn't a big deal for me.
I want the kid at Michigan. But I don't want a headache or a cancer or a kid who's more concerned about the party life.
Not saying that's who or what he is...he's 17. But we clamored over two other 5 star DL with maturity issues in Slocum and Campbell and neither did much at Michigan. Hell, Harrison too. All 3 are known for more off the field (fuck lion, hood sliding, wanker wanking) than anything on the field.
Is he going to have an Alan Branch impact...or those 3?
He should realize that at any school it is not always a party. College besides Thursday - Saturday nights consists of classes, sitting in dorm room bored, video games, etc.
I knew I was doing it wrong.
Conversely, he needs to realize that Michigan is not all work either. There are no shortages of parties and so on, especially for star football players.
Plus, if he's that good, he'll be in the NFL in three years and he can buy his own parties.
Best quote ever.
While it may suck to lose a recruit to MSU, if the reason we are losing those recruits is the MSU party scene, I would much rather have recruits who vaule education and football over partying.
At this point the rumblings certainly seem to indicate Malik himself leans to MSU while his parents remain solidly pro-Michigan. We'll see what wins out soon
Yeah based on the quote from his dad, it sounds like a 99% chance he's going to MSU.
I'm not sure about that. I do definitely get the sense that MSU is not where his father wants him to go, though.
The thing is that the parents have to sign off on LOI's too. And Malik's parents will need some convincing to sign one for MSU. Mom especially. This is truly a family decision.
As I was reading the piece, I kept thinking the same thing - how fortunate he is to have parents like that. Reading between the lines on a lot of Sam's other recruits, I don't think many are as lucky to have parents like Malik's.
I remember being 17, and I definitely wouldn't blame him for choosing MSU because he likes the atmosphere. Every kid looking at colleges should feel the same love and excitement for his or her future university campus, town, and events.
In the end, if he does pick MSU, I wish him all the best and hope he keeps his head on straight while he's up there (probably with the help of his parents and family).
The Sparty sluts got to him. I can't even say I blame him
"While the Green and White’s memorable season certainly served as an added lure, his appreciation for the social scene in East Lansing apparently has been the bigger hook."
Think about that party scene at state Malik...
Get your degree and football on at Michigan and worry about the STD when you're making millions in the NFL
The feeling you get from Sam's article is definitely what we have been hearing, that Malik really likes that party atmosphere at MSU, while his parents really think much more highly of the UM academics.
The travel issue makes it sound that although he likes FSU, they will probably be on the outside looking in. I'm not sure where OSU will fit, as a result of the travel aspect for his grandparents.
A good article by Sam, but I still don't have any more idea where he will go than I did before I read it, which is to say, none. He'd certainly be a welcome addition though. Maybe Lawrence Marshall can break the tie in our favor ?
Yeah, Michigan is like 30ish in the world and MSU averages close to 100th or so but MSU is still a good school that a lot of major companies respect highly. He'll do well with a degree from either.
Couldn't disagree more. Ones a pretty good school and one is a world class institution.
All of the UMich graduates working next to Spartan graduates begrudgingly shrug their shoulders at you. We could go into ROI disparities between even "lesser" schools and UMich for some people working next to said "lesser" school employees, but that would just get too depressing.
My brain surgeon sister and my pediatrician sister from UM disagree.
No degree to point out for yourself? That just makes this string seem petty. If you don't think they're are MSU grads in the medical field then you're just a moron.
And theres NFL players from Western Michigan. Whats your point ? Clearly, in almost all cases, a degree from UofM is better than from MSU.
It was your defense, not mine. Is that clear? So far your only defense is that your sisters have done it.
Im not defending anything, im stateing a well known fact, that on AVERAGE a degree from UofM is worth more than one from MSU. If you dispute that your simply wrong.
That wasn't what you were talking about. But okay, for this entirely different topic, you'll have average ROI back you up by 0.6%.
Im sorry you arn't understanding your own conversation.
Was that your grand point from the beginning? That someone would understand how to look up ROI to make a blanket statement on your behalf? Run this by your sisters next time.
Clearly you seem very occupied on ROI, however not once did I comment on that.
Let's be honest here - most football players will be in general studies or the school of kinesiology. The real value of most universities is in the alumni network, endowment, and resources.
Instead of relying on your honesty, how about we rely on facts? The 2013 football media guide has 113 players listed. There are 16 that are general studies majors and 12 that are in kinesiology. 16 + 12 = 28. 28/113 = 24.8% (rounded to nearest tenth percent). Most usually means greater than 50%. Less than 25% doesn't seem like most to me.
Unless McDowell plans on becoming a brain surgeon or pediatrician, what does this have to do with anything?
Simply trying to illustrate the point that in general UofM is significantly better than MSU.
It's really not ''significantly'' better. Slighty better, yes. Significantly, no.
MSU isn't a terrible school, or anything, but if the difference in prestige between the two schools is "slight," then why does virtually everyone who gets admitted to both choose U-M? Why do MSU grads have to explain forever to people why they ended up at MSU and not U-M, whereas no one ever asks a U-M grad why he/she didn't go to State?
You're trying too hard to be contrarian.
...and better resources.
I'm just saying.
You act like if there are twins, no one is gonna routinely choose one over the other because she's hotter and makes more money.
Michigan and MSU aren't twins...but you get my point. People don't make decisions off of one criteria.
In a lot of cases around the nation people chose the lesser academic academic school (which is still strong) because it offers something things the better school doesn't. Do you think kids haven't turned down M.I.T. to attend Stanford, Duke or Michigan?
that the quality of a college education and the effect on a person's success (whatever your definition) is directly related to the students attitude and effort both in school and upon graduation. I know many people who are wildly successful in their given field who have graduated from little known or unranked institutions as well as the opposite.
That said, the rankings and reputations do have an affect on getting into grad school, job prospects (at least for the first or second job), etc. My view is that the most important difference between UofM and MSU is the average attitude and effort of the student sitting next to you in class. Forget the rankings on USnews etc, just look at the required SAT/ACT, gpa requirements and the like. Students attending Michigan have demonstrated a better attitude, effort level and potentially maturity (I am staying away from intellect) during their high school years. A student at either school with the right attitude will succeed, and the opposite is true. That said, there are probably more high achievers at Michigan than at State; the same is true at Harvard versus Michigan.
I believe these SAT statistics are recent and accurate (25% -75%) and they speak for themselves:
MSU is much closer to GVSU than U of M in terms of accepted and enrolled student stats. MSU is a good state school that is not recognized nationally. Not to say that anyone from MSU can't outperform a person from M in the job market (becasue some do obviously) but the two really are not in the same class. MSU acceptance rates are 73% and Michigan is less than 40%. GVSU? About 80%. Look at ACT's, GPA's etc and you will see a huge difference.
Visit here http://www.parchment.com/c/college/college-2-Michigan-State-University.html and look at the peer colleges and then visit the Michigan page and look at peer colleges.
It is possible to make the statement that Michigan is significantly better without stating that MSU is a terrible school. A student can get a fantastic degree at MSU and go on to all sorts of success.
The rankings put Michigan ahead by a significant margin though and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence as well. Just as an example here in Seattle I've made plenty of friends with other alums and have met dozens more that work for companies like Amazon or Microsoft, and that doesn't even touch on the large number of Michigan alums working in academia. I have met two MSU grads total on the entire west coast. Considering the size of classes MSU and Michigan put out there has to be something that accounts for the greater number of Michigan grads in large metropolitan areas - they are the ones primarily getting the better jobs. So yeah, I'd say the Michigan degree is better.
I work at Microsoft and there are three MSU grads on my floor and none from Michigan. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
There are literally hundreds of Michigan grads (and an internal UofM group) and you would be hard pressed to find a Spartan. Michigan grads do better and have a better chance than msu grads with similar degrees. Fact.
This is not anecdotal, it's fact born out by university job placement departments from time eternal.
Show me the major Fortune 500 company that has such a disproportionate array of msu grads working for it. You can't.
You've met my cousin in Seattle, I guess the number is now 3.
The University of Michigan is significantly better than Michigan State. That's not to say that MSU is bad. But the gap between UM and MSU is larger than the one between Michigan and Harvard.
As usual, I agree with this guy. Living out of country and out of state (and working briefly in college admissions), you really start to notice it. Michigan regularly gets into conversations about the country's top universities. MSU definitely doesn't. In fact, I think the only non-sports references I've ever heard to MSU have been about its riots and party school image. MSU is better than a lot of other schools, but the UM-MSU gap is vast, and it's probably getting vaster with how well UM has handled the cuts in state funding.
I would strongly disagree. I've lived in Utah, Nevada, California and for the past 25 years here in Ohio and I can safely say that the people I've encountered in business know and respect the academics offered at Michigan and virtually none even know that MSU isn't simply a big in-state "directional school". MSU carries zero educational "cred" outside of the mitten.
I know in Michigan some people like to hold State up as some sort of Academic equal but it's just not so. Sorry State people on the board - you may have us in football (temporarily) but please don't even try the academic arguement. Unless you're referring to something only State offers like Hotel Management or Animal Husbandry degrees.
in my experience living in NEO (much shorter than your 25) I have had to correct a number of people that say, "oh, you went to Michigan State, right?" For some reason there are people that don't know there is a University of Michigan and a Michigan State University. Perhaps it is because Ohio only has Ohio State and the next closest large university is Cincinnati and by default they think UoM is the only major state school in Michigan.
Is it a slap in the face to MSU or UoM? I guess that depends on whether you are a Michigan alum or not.
I've looked at your posts throughout here and it seems to me MSU's Rose Bowl run has really left an impression on you. Great season, but your Rose Bowl run does not mean your students automatically become gifted and talented program candidates. It's okay though, msu admittedly has wonderful people (except when they seduced by their temporary success on the athletic field) and successful grads (in particular nurses, farmers, teachers, and packaging experts of which my relatives are legion)....but again...the schools academically are not in the same stratosphere.
Agh...must stop replying to your one liners.
Some limited "guys I work with" examples get in the way of facts. I work with some folks from Ivy League schools, but I still get that their school, academically, was net net far better and that many of their colleagues are net net far more successful than most of my colleagues. That said our alums created Google, run Twitter right now and owns the Dolphins right now ( to name a few)...what has Sparty done lately? Comparing Michigan to Ivy League schools in this regard is a far better comparison than comparing msu with UofM. C'mon man.
Tom Gores (Platinum Equity / Pistons), Dan Gilbert (quicken/cavs), Jemelle Hill (kidding). Each School can claim top tier alumni. Agree with you, generally, just don't think trotting out a few famous UofM grads proves the point well.
Not "trotting" anything out there...but the list for Michigan is light years longer and more prestigious, no?
Michigan has thousands of Gores and Gilberts, but MSU has really no one like the founders of Google, a President of the United States or the guy running Twitter (which, two of which, have basically revolutionized the internet and changed global culture).
Maybe I am too Maize-blind but it seems to me the accomplishments of UofM grads and the reach of the UofM alum base far exceeds that of MSU. And this fact, proves the point that a UofM degree opens more doors and opportunities, by far, than a MSU degree. And has been stated above, the farther you move away from the state, the more pronounced the difference becomes.
I'm not disagreeing with the assumption that, as a percentage of alumni, UofM has more "successful", "impactful", or "world reknown" alumni than MSU (although we're dealing with pretty nebulous terms here). I'm just saying that any large school can claim a handful of the uber-elite, so by mentioning three of our most famous alumni, I don't think you're doing much to prove that point. That's all I was saying.
One disagreement though, UofM absolutely does not have "thousands of Gores and Gilberts". I think your loyalty and pride in UofM is going a bit too far there. Both of those guys are on the Forbes 400 list and have accomplished more than 99% (likely higher) of UofM grads. Not a bad thing, just says a lot about them.
For everything he has done in Detroit...but I just think one would be hard pressed to assert that MSU produces these types of folks (and the corresponding opportunities folks like this create) nearly as much as UofM has....If you drill down into white collar and positions of power too...I would guess its not even close, no?
And "love dem gun soundz" commenting on higher education. Dats ironical.
yeah...no. Do not ever compare Michigan academically with MSU. It is not even a close comparison.
Well you're not wrong about the shortsighted part, but perhaps you forget what being a teenager is like. Shortsighted decisions are practically a requirement for those years.
While it may be short sighted. I am confident at this point the bigger consideration will be, have fun now still get paid in a few years. By then the name on the sheep skin will be pretty much immaterial. There is Some merit to that if all goes according to plan. The problem is one can have a great plan and still fall short in execution. I wish him well what ever he chooses... But weller (?) if he goes BLUE!
nothinng to see here FAIL
I really believe his parents will win out. I think if he was going to commit to MSU just based on it being more fun he would have by now. He will see how much more valuable a Michigan football player is than one at MSU. Not to mention if he wants to party he will have no trouble doing that in AA.
True, but how many kids on the football team commited without any reservations ? I have to imagine there have been many UM athletes that have been enormously succesful having commited with reservations.
Many recruits make decisions to please their parents. This would not be a rare case at all. Most of the time they end up being perfectly happy at the school anyway.
Once upon a time I thought UM was a lock for two 5-star DEs (Hand & McDowell) and now I beleive they are striking out on both...sucks. So goes recruiting. Here's to hoping Charlton & Wormley turn into great DEs!
We need Leaders and Best, not party people.
I know it's basically taboo to say ''Harbaugh was correct'' around here but how can you argue against it? How is a degree in general studies from U of M better than a degree in something else at MSU? It's not. And a lot of guys on Michigan's roster are in general studies. So the ''he should choose Michigan because of academics'' thing is pretty much bs. We are not Stanford or Northwestern when it comes to football players.
Unless you are an employer from mid michigan, a GS degree at UofM is probably better than any undergrad degree at msu.
Says nearly all employers.
Oh really? What kind of job can you get with a general studies degree? Please explain.
I don't know how familiar you are with BGS, but most people in the program are, in fact, basically majoring in some area of study - it's not like they just take a random assortment of classes. The reason why most are in BGS is because they usually have some outside commitment (like, say, having 20 hours of football practice a week) that may make it tough to fit all of the pre-reqs into their course schedule. But most are still basically following a pattern of study. I knew a few people who were in the BGS program and they didn't have any more trouble getting into grad school or getting a job than anyone else I knew.
Here's the link to the program
I would argue that most M grads could get the same job they have with a GS degree instead of the degree they have. I am one of those people. I don't think my employer hired me for my sociology knowledge, but because they respect my Michigan degree.
That is all.
Unless you are an msu related business located in Michigan or some msu alum, located who knows where...if an equivalent resume comes in the door, a super majority of employers would pick the michigan one. Same thing would happen if it were Harvard v Michigan. It's not a debate.
As to your tangent, a large quantity of jobs in America do not require a graduate degree (eg not everyone has to be a lawyer, doctor, engineer, PhD to be successful btw). And, again, per the line of reasoning above, that undergrad degree from Michigan means even more to grad school admissions offices (having done a work study program in one many moons ago).
For many (if not most) employers and grad schools, one's undergraduate major really doesn't matter. Whether it's right or wrong, the prestige of his undergraduate university clearly does, partly because it sends a strong signal about intelligence and work ethic.
Obviously, someone can still be successful going to a lesser school, but going to top universities brings serious rewards independent of people's decisions about majors and concentrations.
While I don't think a GS degree from UM is necessarily worse than a specified degree from MSU, I think you can go to either school and get a good job because of the connections you build. Academics are the most overrated recruiting pitch. Unless a kid is dead set on a specific degree and one school is better than the other, I don't think it comes into play in the process much. All the schools have great academic support for athletes as well. Took a tour of U of Toledo football facilities and talked with their head coach and players basically have to not try or have an undiagnosed learning disability to fail their classes. Can't imagine what it's like at a Michigan or other BCS schools.
I think the issue isn't so much about academic support and whatnot as that having a degree from some schools carries more weight than others - and also, some schools (like Michigan) have huge alumni networks that can help ex-athletes find jobs after graduation.
frum a Barber college wif a minor in juggeling and I am doing just fine thanks you.
UM's athlete degrees are better than MSU's athlete degrees, because we're a significantly better school. Seriously, there's not a single out of state employer in the country who would weigh the same degree from MSU and UM equally.
Biased much? A worthless liberal arts degree from a prestigious school is just as worthless as it would be at a mac school. It depends on what one gets a degree in.
You are underestimating how much just graduating from UofM is worth, regardless of the degree. (Yes I know people don't like my examples, but I don't care) A family friend has a liberal arts degree from UofM and now he is worth hundreds of millions.
That says more about your family friend and his aptitude than anything else.
Yes I agree, but he does credit his success in large part to his studies at Michigan.
Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie...many of American's financial and political titans did not graduate from college.
Genius is organic. It does not come from an university, but from a person's natural intelligence.
Mike Illitch is worth BILLIONS and he did not go to an university. For every millionaire college graduate I can name one who did not graduate from college.
Greatness comes not from a degree, but from the character of the person. Raoul Wallenberg did not save 100,000 Jews because he went to UM he saved them because he was a thoroughly decent man.
So, you are saying that a degree in GS from a prestigious school (like Harvard or Michigan) is a worthless as one from a MAC school.
Harvard and Michigan aren't in the same boat when it comes to UG stop being delusional.
Both are (as the poster said) prestigious schools. Is Harvard moreso? Yes, but it's not like Michigan isn't.
Speaking for myself, I didn't really think much about the prestige associated with Michigan growing up, because my parents went here so it was just normal for me to go as well. But in my adult life, people have constantly been like "Wow, how did you get in?" or "Was it really hard to go to school there?" I think some of us from legacy families take U-M for granted.
Michigan is as far removed from Harvard in prestige as MSU is from Michigan. That's not a knock on M. Harvard is Harvard for a reason.
Michigan undergrad is to Harvard undergrad, as msu's undergrad is to Michigan's undergrad. Big big difference. Now I can tell you that I would still hire a Spartan who was top in their class, a great fit and who could " overcome" their lack of a great undergrad school....AND I would avoid a social reject from an Ivy League school or Michigan if they underperformed their resume....but there is an advantage for a reason.
Why is this even a debate? It's not close.
I think he was just using extreme examples to refute UMxWolverines' delusional post above:
"A worthless liberal arts degree from a prestigious school is just as worthless as it would be at a mac school. It depends on what one gets a degree in."
I know people on here like to compare Michigan and Harvard, but Harvard is truely on a different level than Michigan. Hell Northwestern is regarded as a better school than Michigan.
The "we" is NU.
I would like to add that I heard when I was a player (within the last 13 years) MSU had to clean house on their athletic academic services staff because their athlete's GPAs were so low. FWIW A female basketball player told me their department GPA dropped below a 2.0 in the good old Bobby Williams days. If MSU athletes are graduating with as good or better skills than Michigan athletes that is a very recent development. Also no employer ever asked me much about what I got my degree in. They know it's an NU degree then they want to talk sports. I doubt it's any different for Michigan.
In business, that is not true. Our Ross is actually considered better. Law and med schools are right on par. Is are many of our science grad programs. Your point is only true of undergrad.
do not know what you are talking about.
A worthless degree from Michigan is way more valuable.
Any degree from Michigan is valuable.
That's part of the reason people attend. Some employees don't even look at the major...they see B.A. from Michigan in whatever year you graduated and a GPA.
Michigan also has a far bigger network. So if your boss sees your crap degree from Michigan and your crap degree from Toledo. He or she understands the difference.
But if it's equal. Not sure either matters more than your personality and whether or not they think they can work with you or you're a douchey message board poster.
Are you fucking kidding me ? Its the quality of students in the class, and the inherent grading on a curve, that makes all the difference
You act as if Michigan is the only school that has football players in general studies...
I know we're not. But the way people on this board talk of our academic reputation you'd think our team would be full of scholars. Jim Harbaugh already said otherwise and people still deny it.
Well if Jim Harbaugh said it...
is full of shit in what you are referencing. iirc, he wanted to be a history major. and the counselors told him that there is hell of a lot of reading in that major and he should consider something else in order to balance out his football time commitments. that said, he still could have been a history major if he wanted. just like there are some engineering students, pre-med etc. it was HARBAUGH'S choice of major and no one elses.
Harbaugh is a great wolverine. Who are you? Sad but he got boned by Carr twice. And what he said was true. Unfortunate he said it but true nonetheless.
To paraphrase Pete Carroll: What is Harbaugh's deal with Michigan?
Was it that Lloyd refused to hire him to his staff? I've heard that Harbaugh wanted to come back as QB coach and Lloyd refused for whatever reason (one of Lloyd's many boners).
Or was it something else?
It's not about what the majority of players do academically. The UM education is a big deal to McDowell's parents. They're interested in having their son do more than just enough to get by. I'm sure they can also tell differences between programs and their players in how seriously they take academics. It makes sense that there would be specific places they don't want him to attend for that reason.
He's just mesmerized by the couch inferno's.
I first read that as "coach inferno" and I thought, "Holy shit! Now they're burning coaches at State?!?"
On average, people with Michigan degrees do better than people with MSU degrees. The same thing is with recruiting. Just because a few 3 stars turn out better than 5 stars doesn't disprove the fact that 5 stars usually end up better.
Too much going Spartys way at this point.
What is The Beaver saying on GBW?
Beaver is a no talent ass clown
''Michigan athletes described being steered to Hagen's courses by their athletic department academic counselors and, in some cases, earning three or four credits for meeting with Hagen for as little as 15 minutes every two weeks.''
If the degrees are the same then why is Aaron Burbridge on their team while Demar Dorsey didn't make it in. Our players aren't geniuses but there is a difference.
If I remember correctly he chose msu before it was known if he would qualify. Also Lousville, FSU, and Michigan all rejected Dorsey.
It's 2014, of course he's coming to UM. What other year would a good Sparty team lose to a horrid Georgetown team. 2014 keeps giving.
My brother makes 150K a year with a GS degree.
And i'm sure he loves you telling people that.
If he's the type that tells his brother he probably tells everyone he can.
I want to send him a Christmas card....
Thinking long-term could also mean considering the fact that everybody knows that Narduzzi has one foot out the door. Most of Malik's career at MSU would be under some other DC, whose identity is not yet known. Since MSU has prided themselves on defensive team chemistry, losing such a key piece of their coaching staff could really hurt their defense.
Understand those who say Narduzzi is going to leave...he will not leave state.
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Feeling much more confident now than I did a couple weeks ago. Go Blue Malik!
This thread was fun to read
I trust Sam above any other "Insiders," but I just don't have a great feeling about this. I just think he has his mind made up already, and I don't think it's UM. I seriously hope I'm wrong.
Malik likes the MSU atmosphere - translation - they got him more than one girl.
Thinking. The chicks must have been lined up for that visit!
I never really partied in Lansing myself, but always heard how much better it was compared to AA.
However, how much time of football players have to party anyway, if they care about grades?
Be a great addition, but I think we are trailing in this race. GO BLUE!
One thing I've found interesting about this recruitment is how fans have been so quick to declare one school or another as in the lead or out of the running based on a single thing—a school's social scene, a school's academic reputation, distance, etc. But Sam Webb, who has talked to McDowell's parents on numerous occasions, has said that the decision process will involve multiple criteria. So I don't see how anyone can predict which school will emerge out of that process.
Along those lines, here's one of the comments that McDowell's mother posted on that DetNews article:
research African American students college party schools, research the defense coaches and tell me how many NFL players each have sent to the league in the position my son plays. If athletes are only taking General Business at any school, blame the parents for allowing their child to be used. This is not a decision for the MSU or UofM fans to make... It's sad how you all bash one another. You all need to grow-up... Just because you read it on the internet doesn't mean it's true... #SickofthestateofMichigan....
Note that she mentions several things there—the social scene, the quality of the defensive coaches, academics.
Of course, if you want to jump to a conclusion, then that hash tag must mean it's FSU. But then again, maybe she's just really sick of this weather.
she's sick of this process I'm sure. In calmer moments I'm sure she realizes that FSU, Florida, and Miami bash each other just as much. And it's deeply personal, given every comment is about her son, either directly or through inference. Wish them the best, they'll make the right choice for their family. They've been very thorough.
I totally get this comment and her feeling. Although she has to know it is people in general, she is seeing it from M vs. MSU. This recruiting thing is nuts, and I can't imagine how it is for a 17 year old, high profile kid or the parents. It would be easier on them to not read everything that is out there. Social media brings out some fugly people and meanness...and if it is about your kid, well then....I get where she is coming from.
Ugh. Its fsu
Seems sort of cruise speed motor and has poor technique. Great if he comes, cool if he doesn't.
He's far from a can't miss impact player at this point.
I'd rather have a guy in the Marcus Rush mode who plays with abandon and fire. Outside of Jake, there is nobody on the defense currently that appears to play that way.
Marshall looks like the better player at this point.
I thought the same thing of both jake and rush until i saw rush disappear this year and saw beyer play just as well as jake when jake was out. Its the position in the defensive scheme as much as the player
... or at least your memory. Beyer did an admirable job, but he had nowhere near the impact that Ryan had in 2012, IMO.
C'mon man. We're talking about Ann Arbor here. East Lansing’s night life is average at best. They don't even get a full crowd for home games at Staee.
Besides, whatever happened to bringing the party with you? Come party with 112,000 of your closest friends at the Big House!
Open doors for the rest of your life at Michigan!
I'm kind of surprised his dad was so candid. Best of luck to Malik and his family no matter where he goes!
Would like to have Malik but his recruitement is getting pretty overrated right now. There's more attention than he would normally get because he's local, Sparty is our primary opposition, and he's the last moving part in the class.
We're top 10 in average stars and will be close to that regardless of how the next several days unfold.
He wouldn't say exactly what, but Sam Webb on WTKA this morning said that something happened during McDowell's official visit to MSU that opened his recruitment up completely to other schools. He said if he wrote a story about it would be "salacious" and would make national headlines. It sounds like his parents have good reason to steer him away from East Lansing.
So something made him want to go there and his parents not want him to go there... I love college!
I think her name was something like "Tiffany" or "Amber" or "Star".
I was there. The names were Destiny and Cheyenne.
Maybe they gave him the PED regiment
because Malik wanted to, or what happened made his parents really want it opened up? I'm guessing the latter but not totally clear from post.
Good question. I don't want to characterize it either way. Listen to the podcast yourself and make your own judgment: link (skip to 0:30).
I should clarify what I wrote above: Sam didn't say that something salacious happened on the visit, he said that the story he could write about the visit would be salacious and "devastating" to MSU. But again, I encourage people to listen to the podcast, rather than rely on my summary.
EDIT: I should have noted that what Sam said in that link posted above was a follow-up to his more detailed discussion of McDowell earlier on the show. For that part, see this podcast (skip to around 1:00).
EDIT2: I should also emphasize that whatever happened on the visit, Sam says that McDowell might still pick MSU. All four finalists are still in the running.
I still think MM is bound for MSU. If he doesn't come to UM, I'd rather him go down to FSU.
Dammit. I have the iphone 4 and still cannot get podcasts to work with the app. How do i listen to it
Wow, Sam sounds exactly like Jalen Rose on his broadcasts.
Sam gave the strong impression this morning that whatever happened was a factor insofar as Malik's parents were concerned, rather than being Malik's reaction.
Sam used the term "blow the doors off" several times as a description of what happened to the notion that MSU had pretty much locked up Malik and shut the door to other schools.
It's hard for me to believe that MSU would have done something officially or unofficially during the visit that would have engendered such a reaction from MM's parents, but recruiting does crazy things to people.
I read through this whole worthless thread trying to find out what happened on his official. Nothing. Sam made it sound like it was the person State brought in to position as his role model...? Supposedly MSU had a slam dunk, and this person "Blasted the doors open" for other schools...?
Did they bring in Charles Rogers? Cole Corey? "Tom" Gholston? Adreian Payne?
It would be interesting to know the status of graduates, or ex-players who did not graduate, who were on football scholarships at the two schools but did not go on to pro football. By "status", I mean solid, hard, data on their current situation, not just anecdotal evidence.
If those outcomes really mattered to schools, those schools should have that information and be able to make it available to recruits.
I graduated from UofM and it was a big deal in securing one particular position, but with time, it's what have you accomplished in your career that matters most to prospective employers.
But a degree from Michigan(vs MSU) generally means $10,000 more per year at graduation, shrinking to $6,000 more per year as your career progresses.
I'll throw up if he goes to OSU
Judging from his parents' comments on what they're looking for in a school, I'd say OSU is the best fit.
Academics at UM are better but not significantly better; OSU is a pretty decent school. When it comes to football, they (and FSU) kick our ass. Meyer and Mattison have both sent a number of DL to the NFL, so that could be considered a draw.
However, I believe the presence of Larry Johnson Jr., who may be one of, if not the best, DL coaches in the country, will away MM to OSU. It would be unfortunate.
Are we taking our recruits to canasta parties when they visit ???????
All of the discussion here about the reputation of MSU vs UM with employers seems to miss an important fact. The employer many football players are interested in being hired by is the NFL.
His last unofficial visit was for UTL 2 which while an amazing game it finished late and may not have lead to much socializing after the game. Malik may be comparing apples to oranges
If a FBS school offers a young man the opportunity to play football in exchange for a full scholarship and that young man accepts by signing a letter of intent, is that process not akin to an employment contract? If the school directs that young man's course of study into, say, general studies, and supervises his study time to maintain his eligibilty in that course of study, is this not requiring that the young man adhere to certain employer-mandated performance standards, much like an employee would have to do? And if the coaching staff tells the young man when he needs to appear for meetings and practice (including, perhaps, suggesting that he participate in unsupervised summer practice) and, for example, even when, how much time, and what type of exercises he needs to do in the weight room, is this not further evidence of supervising and directing job performance?
It'll be interesting to see what the NLRB has to say about all this. I'm not saying that the NU players will gain recognition as a union --- I don't, at least not at this point. But the findings that issue from those proceedings will provide a blueprint for what both parties will need to do in the future to either gain or fend off recognition. Directing players toward and away from certain majors will be an important factor in all this, IMO.
You are lost.
(1) It's 2014. (2) We're due to win one of these recruiting shitstorms.
Reading Webb's article and some of the comments from the parents, you can color him gone.
We need to move on.
its an OSU/FSU battle. Go Noles.
I'm not so intuitive as to know what school he'll choose. As a life long Michigan fan though I may relate some to the parents. And to the degree that's true, if the writing is on the wall that he's not interested in Michigan I can see them pushing him toward FSU as a way to soften the blow.
Also considering the party atmosphere at State, hasn't the quality gone down pretty quick? At least that's what I've heard. I've heard it's nothing like it used to be.
I read this as though he has decided on MSU and his parents are disappointed. "You’ve got to open up and not be so stuck with Michigan State that you’re not even seeing anything else” is what you say about someone who is not seeing anything else. He will choose which scholarship offer to accept, not his parents.
Furthermore, this is totally messed up of his parents. You don't insult your kid's decision-making to the press. Keep it in the family. The whole article made McDowell sound like a child who wants to party. Even if that's true, his parents should not harm his reputation by saying that in public.
Good thing about the article is web is wrong more than he's right.
Is out, I thought they were the front runner, right now, unfortunately, I think Ohio gets him.
I noticed the other day that Malik's mother was not at the house when MSU was there. I thought it was kind of strange at this point in the process. Maize N Brew had the answer in an article by Anthony Mammel. Link
Apparently Malik's mother hates MSU so much she refused to meet with them. While Anthony felt that may favor FSU, I have also heard that Malik's father thinks Malik will stay closer to home to make it easier for his grandparents to see him play.
We will see soon. It seems like their may be a number of things going in Michigan's favor. I am still worried about Ohio State making the late run.