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Sam Webb on the Huge Show talking recruiting
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
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Sam Webb on the Huge Show talking recruiting
August 27th, 2012 at 3:32 PM | 
Cool
Cool
August 27th, 2012 at 3:33 PM |
Cool?
Cool?
Cool?
I poop excellence
August 27th, 2012 at 3:37 PM |
It's so empty :(
It's so empty :(
It's so empty :(
August 27th, 2012 at 3:40 PM |
Linke
Linke
Sigh. OP made me work for this...lame.
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August 27th, 2012 at 3:41 PM |
with your avatar, it's like
with your avatar, it's like
with your avatar, it's like you knew you were going to have to facepalm.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:45 PM |
I am well-prepared. Facepalm
I am well-prepared. Facepalm
I am well-prepared. Facepalm ready.
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August 27th, 2012 at 3:45 PM |
730 am in lansing not sure
730 am in lansing not sure
730 am in lansing not sure about the other affiliate stations
903 wins most in college football
August 27th, 2012 at 3:48 PM |
We have a good chance to get
We have a good chance to get
We have a good chance to get Green and Treadwell, but you never know when a kid takes visits after a visit to Michigan. Rapping up 2013 helps with 2014. He said that Dennis Finley helps MSU recruit CT in the future, but Michigan will still have an advantage.
903 wins most in college football
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 PM |
He said that Dennis Finley
He said that Dennis Finley
He said that Dennis Finley helps MSU recruit CT in the future....
Connecticut?
Nobody home...
August 27th, 2012 at 4:07 PM |
Cass Tech
Cass Tech
Cass Tech
August 27th, 2012 at 4:10 PM |
TY
TY
Thank you.
Nobody home...
August 27th, 2012 at 9:03 PM |
TY?
TY?
TY? Touchy yodelers?
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:04 PM |
I doubt it has much of an
I doubt it has much of an
I doubt it has much of an effect. Illinois and Iowa (and even MSU) have taken 3-star types from Cass Tech before this year, and it hasn't helped them with the kids Michigan wants.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:21 PM |
Groundbreaking.
Groundbreaking.
Sounds like he did a nice job sumarizing the MGoBlog recruiting analysis of the past few weeks.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:12 PM |
If only Sam Webb hosted The
If only Sam Webb hosted The
If only Sam Webb hosted The Huge Show everyday. My life would be a little bit better.
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August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 PM |
He has filled in the past,
He has filled in the past,
He has filled in the past, but not in the last couple years.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 PM |
only if he
only if he
mentions Miller Lite and Brann's ad nauseum.
My god, Huge sucks. And he's a Michigan homer, which makes it even worse. I've never heard Valenti - is he as bad?
Biz hundert azoi ve tsvantsik
August 27th, 2012 at 4:12 PM |
So......Sam has a spartan guy
So......Sam has a spartan guy
So......Sam has a spartan guy on to talk about sparty and boise st. Apparently after about 2 games Maxwell should be able to throw for 300 yds a game if needed.
I mean honestly 2 good yrs and suddenly they are national powers? Am i missing something? Is beating an average Georgia team in a bowl game now equal to beating Bama/LSU?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:18 PM |
They've built a team on solid
They've built a team on solid
They've built a team on solid coaching, won 11 games two years in a row, and they only lost a couple of starters from last year (whom they're replacing quite well). Not only that, but they are primed to only lost 2 or 3 starters next year, as they will play lots of sophomores and juniors. I think in a couple of years Michigan will be good enough that we don't really care, but for the time being at least they're not going anywhere..
COYS and lets go Detroit FC!
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 PM |
How do you know they are
How do you know they are
How do you know they are replacing quite well? According to who beat writers or their fans?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 PM |
Dude.. "Lost a couple
Dude.. "Lost a couple
Dude.. "Lost a couple starters" doesn't convey losing your programs best quarterback, your top 2 wr and dt who was drafted early.
They return a lot on defense, but their offense is guaranteed to struggle at the very lest early
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 PM |
I'm no expert on Sparty's
I'm no expert on Sparty's
I'm no expert on Sparty's team but I can't help but agree with this. They do have a solid coaching staff, at least defensively, and should be able to rely on their running game this season (depth chart says they have two seniors, two juniors, and a sophomore on their offensive line). Hopefully, that doesn't happen though and they'll look like Texas these last two seasons...
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 PM |
All good...
All good...
BSU has lost a lot more than Sparty. They have a hideously weak schedule, as usual, and should win eight or nine games. MSU, however, won't be one of those wins. A lot of people expect BSU to reload, but they could be dangerously close to "tomato can" territory this year against legitimate BCS conference teams.
If Maxwell throws for 300 against BSU, I won't be surprised. That doesn't mean he can do it against Big Ten teams on a regular basis, though.
August 28th, 2012 at 12:28 AM |
There is no doubt that BSU
There is no doubt that BSU
There is no doubt that BSU lost a crap-ton of players from last year. They do, however, have a few things going for them:
1) They still have a lot of players with significant playing time. Lots of blowouts meant that a lot of backups got lots of playing time over the last few seasons.
2) Reports here in Boise have indicated that the BSU defense has been playing very well. Since MSU might struggle to get their offense going, the BSU D could keep them in the game.
3) Coach Pete. If there is one coach that I would bet money on getting more out of his players than expected, it would not be Dantonio. It would be Coach Perersen. For all of the talk about how MSU spins lead into gold, they signed five times more 4-star (or better) players in 2010 (5) than BSU did from 2008-2011 (5). BSU really does seem to get a lot out of their guys, regardless of which guys they have.
The good news is for BSU is that they have nothing to lose in this game. They are the underdog on the road, and they are not expected to accomplish much because of all of the players that they lost. If they lose, it won't mean all that much in a transition season, and if they win, they keep up their streak of being the giant-killers. Just ask Oklahoma how much fun it is being the prohibitive favorite against BSU.
"People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made."
August 27th, 2012 at 5:30 PM |
Georgia was not all that
Georgia was not all that
Georgia was not all that great last year. Who did they beat? The benefited greatly from a very down SEC East.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 PM |
no he's not
no he's not
please name a good team UGA beat last year. ill give you a hint...there isn't one.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:35 PM |
I watch plenty of college
I watch plenty of college
I watch plenty of college football. Georgia was good last year but far from the juggernaut MSU fans like to think they were. A victory at home over Cam-less, 8-4 Auburn does not a powerhouse make (if you were wondering why I used that game, it's because it was the only good victory they had last year).
August 27th, 2012 at 6:31 PM |
Using FEI
Using FEI
ratings, Georgia was #19, fwiw. Their wins were over teams rated 98, 47, 57, 45, 44, 109, 66, 88, 43, and Coastal Carolina (FBS). Their losses were 8, 13, 1, and 11.
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August 27th, 2012 at 5:20 PM |
Are we still doing this?
Are we still doing this?
Are we still doing this? Granted, I don't know what the guy said on the radio, but can we not acknowledge that MSU has a solid program? I don't think Maxwell is the second coming of Jesus, but there's no reason to think he can't be a solid Big Ten QB. Even with all that they lost, and they lost a fair amount of good players, they are one of the top threats to win the Big Ten.
If you can't see that, it's cause you are wearing maize-colored glasses.
It sucks to admit that Sparty is good. But it's the truth.
-- Hot ice!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:42 PM |
They have had nice back to
They have had nice back to
They have had nice back to back seasons. 2 really good seasons doesn't qualify you as a national program power who reloads. How much longer can they live on guys that RR completely passed on is my question.
Dantonio has done a hell of a job in EL and anyone who remotely watches college football can see it had a lot to do with Michigan's sudden 3 yr recruiting run of avoiding the midwest's top talent and going into florida.
I keep hearing coach them up and all that crap with dantonio what about Coach Hoke coaching up guys who RR couldn't even get to play decent defense to a top 20 unit last season.
To me Sparty right now is Iowa in the early 2000's where everything seemed to fall into place for them at once and they had a nice run.
Sorry if I can't continue to listen to this national talk after a win over an average georgia team who won a division that might have been worst than the entire big east.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:03 PM |
Agreed. MSU is as much a
Agreed. MSU is as much a
Agreed. MSU is as much a national power as Oklahoma State or Stanford, probably less so since those teams actually won BCS bowls during their run. In terms of program strength, they're still 4th in the Big Ten at best, probably 5th, and that's only because PSU went kerplooey.
Iowa won 10+ games a few times not that long ago, and didn't turn into a national power who could relaod, no prob.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 PM |
I'm filing this in the "I
I'm filing this in the "I
I'm filing this in the "I missed something" category. I don't know of anyone calling MSU a national power. I agree with all of your points. MSU is not LSU or USC. Neither is U-M. But MSU is a good team. In fact, I'd say they are a very good team that has a very good shot at winning the Big Ten. But they aren't a national contender. Neither is U-M.
-- Hot ice!
August 27th, 2012 at 6:28 PM |
OK - there is a difference
OK - there is a difference
OK - there is a difference between a national contender in 2012, and a national power. Michigan is as much a national power as anyone, USC and LSU included. The discussion was about MSU as a program, and their ability to reload and be a great team year in and year out.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:46 PM |
All programs go
All programs go
through down periods. Even the great ones. Alabama recently had a span of a few years where they went 30-31. Yes...Alabama. It doesn't somehow mean they're not a national power. They just weren't a contender in those particular years. They always were a power though.
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August 27th, 2012 at 6:50 PM |
I understand you're an MSU
I understand you're an MSU
I understand you're an MSU fan, so you're probably very delusional, but in the BCS era we've played in 5 BCS bowls, which is a better total than all but 8 or so programs. Don't forget that the BCS began after one of our best decades of football, that included 2 Heisman winners and a national championship. So although the 3 years of RR are very fresh in everyone's mind, Michigan has easily been a top-10, possibly top-5 program over the last quarter century.
So yeah, I think we've won some games.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:56 PM |
Didn't you
Didn't you
know that 2008-2010 erases all of that? Seriously though, just to piggyback on that, here are the Top 10 programs by wins over the past 25 years:
1. Nebraska 242
2. Florida 237
3. Florida State 233
4. Miami 231
5. Oklahoma 220
T6. Michigan 219
T6. Tennessee 219
8. Ohio State 217
9. Texas 213
10. BYU 212
MSU, by the way, is at 162.
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August 27th, 2012 at 7:26 PM |
Wait, this list can't be
Wait, this list can't be
Wait, this list can't be correct. Where is Notre Dame? Based on their recruiting, they have to be a Top 10 program, right? Right?
We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 7:38 PM |
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
is at 202.
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August 27th, 2012 at 8:06 PM |
I don't think anyone said he
I don't think anyone said he
I don't think anyone said he can't, just that he likely won't.
Hoke and Dantonio are different for two main reasons:
1. Hoke is taking over an historic program, with a long winning tradition. Since Michigan has been at the top for long periods in the recent and not-so-recent history, it's much more likely they get back (and probably are already).
2. In very little time, Hoke has been getting commitments from the top recruits in the country. The teams with the top recruits win almost always. Dantonio is well established in EL, and he still can't recruit with the top-20 or so teams in the country.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:06 PM |
Not that
Not that
I have ever done any research on this or anything, but I'd guess long term success coorelates stronger to future success than short term success does.
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August 27th, 2012 at 8:27 PM |
So by asking this question
So by asking this question
are you disregarding the statistics? It looks like that. No one here is saying that MSU hasn't been good the last two years, they're saying it's been TWO YEARS. The teams on that list get the right to call themselves national powers and they get the right to talk about it.
Call back in 23 years and let me know what your record is. I'll be waiting by the phone
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August 27th, 2012 at 8:36 PM |
Ah sparty trolls. Any mention
Ah sparty trolls. Any mention
Ah sparty trolls. Any mention of Dantonio not being a god gets them all riled up. Make sure not to mention that Hoke has as many bowl victories in 1 year at UM as Dantonio does at MSU in 5 years either. They don't like hearing that.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:53 PM |
And he
And he
more BCS (and including before they were called that) bowl wins in one year than Sparty has after my randomly picked date of Jan 2, 1988
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August 27th, 2012 at 11:24 PM |
How did the discussion move
How did the discussion move
How did the discussion move from a traditional national power to a single bowl game played at the end of last season?
If anything, it shows how amazingly relevant and resilient Michigan was nationally, even after a recent downturn in program success. Most of the posters here are posing no argument that MSU has been a good team - of late. The larger point many here are attempting to make (and that you yourself pointed out above) is that many MSU fans have decided that only the past four years (an arbitrary number, don't you think?) are relevant in any discussion. Has MSU been a stronger program over the past five years? Yup, I'd say so. Has Michigan been the stronger program over the majority of history? Yes, I'd say so. Those two things are barely debatable. We can have a debate or discussion on whether long or short-term success is a better predictor of future success, but to try and have an argument debating the which program has been historically stronger over history, while only referencing the past five years, is absolutely asinine.
The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right.
August 27th, 2012 at 11:32 PM |
Hi sparty, let me sum it up
Hi sparty, let me sum it up
Hi sparty, let me sum it up for you:
When it comes to elite football programs in this country, MSU is not even in the conversation and it will always be that way. Sorry, but it's true.
That is all.
August 28th, 2012 at 12:48 AM |
Regardless of whether or not
Regardless of whether or not
Regardless of whether or not Michigan or VT deserved to be chosen over Boise State, the simple fact is that MSU WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE to be selected. They played UGA because they couldn't be chosen to play VT.
I guess you can argue that your 3-point win in a non-BCS bowl over a team that had few quality wins is better than our 3-point win in a BCS bowl over a team that had few quality wins, but that is pretty subjective.
I will grant you that MSU has been less implode-y under Dantonio than in previous years but, as others have pointed out, it helps when you primary competition in recruiting and on the field spent three out of those five years shooting itself in the foot. With Hoke putting a serious dent in MSU's recruiting and doing a better job of coaching up our guys, it is not altogether unlikely that the two teams return to their relative historical positions.
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August 28th, 2012 at 8:20 AM |
I would submit it is less
I would submit it is less
I would submit it is less insecurity than it is general and overriding annoyance with MSU fans and these discussions. Those who reside in this state being more sensitive to the subject.
The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:06 PM |
I don't think you can claim
I don't think you can claim
I don't think you can claim Michigan being as much as a national power as anyone. The fact is we have a single national title in the last 64 years. That really isn't close to what USC and LSU have....
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
- Vince Lombardi
August 27th, 2012 at 7:07 PM |
Reality
Reality
MSU got good because Jim Tressel and Lloyd Carr didn't recruit guys like Jerel Worthy, Kirk Cousins, Johnny Adams, Keyshawn Martin, Trenton Robinson, Joel Foreman, BJ Cunningham, Greg Jones, etc. all of whom committed to State before Rich Rodriguez got hired.
In RR's first full recruiting class (2009), he passed on Andrew Maxwell (hasn't really seen the field yet) and instead signed Denard Robinson (I don't think I need to list his accomplishments). State got Edwin Baker (had a very good sophomore season but fell off last year and is no longer with their program) and Larry Caper (<800 yards in his career w/ 9 TD). Michigan got Fitz (1,000 yard season last year) and Vincent Smith (>1,100 yards in his career and 8 TD, plus another 361 through the air with 6 more TD).
On the lines, MSU took 4-star David Barrent from Iowa (left the program due to back problems without making a start), Henry Conway (played in 4 games on OL, never started, 2nd string going into this season), Denzel Drone (28 tackles, 5 TFL at DE, moved to TE in the offseason where he is 2nd string going into this season), Dan France (started last year at OT, getting some 2nd team all-conference buzz this preseason), Corey Freeman (11 tackles, 3.5 TFL, never started, projected backup this season), Jeremy Gainer (never started and not expected to this year, 11 career tackles at DE), Nate Klatt (never started, projected backup this year), Micajah Reynolds (hasn't started, flipped between offense/defense, projected backup next year at DT), and Blake Treadwell (dad was on MSU staff so not someone we had a shot with, started 5 games on defense, 3 on offense, projected starter at guard next year). So, one guy who has had a quality season as a starter and two guys expected to start this year as seniors or RS juniors on the offensive line.
On the other hand, Michigan signed Taylor Lewan (two seasons as a starter, 2nd team all-conference, projected 1st round pick), Michael Schofield (started 10 games last year and will start this year), Craig Roh (three seasons as starter, honorable mention all-conference last year, 112 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 21 TFL, 3 FF and 1 INT in his career), Will Cambell and Quinton Washington (both projected starters this year)
One DB in MSU's class (Dana Dixon) just transferred to GVSU. The other (Jairus Jones) has yet to start, has made 28 tackles in his career and entered camp as a backup at safety, not nearly as productive as Thomas Gordon (returning starter) and Jordan Kovacs (entered the program at the same time as a walk-on). 2 of the 3 receivers in the class are no longer on the roster (Patrick White and Donald Spencer) while Bennie Fowler has amassed 195 receiving yards. Dion Sims has added another 232 yards in his career, but that still is less than Jeremy Gallon put up last season alone. The kicker they signed has made one field goal. The one we signed (from, OMG, Florida) just won the Sugar Bowl.
The only position they have an edge at is linebacker where Chris Norman (a Renaissance kid who RR offered) and Denicos Allen (an undersized 3-star from Ohio who no one was clamoring for at the time of his recruitment) have been good players, but we have gotten meaningful contributions from Cam Gordon (key INT against Indiana, fumble return for TD against Purdue, freshman all-american honors) and Brandin Hawthorne (key INT against Northwestern, big third down tackle against ND).
It's a little early to compare the 2010 class (RR's second and only other full class here) but I doubt even you would suggest that we've lost to MSU 4 years in a row because of guys who were RS freshmen last season.
Stop being dumb.
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August 27th, 2012 at 7:36 PM |
in case it's lost in the noise
in case it's lost in the noise
PurpleStuff is responding to an idiotic (IMO ... sorry) post by JT4104 that includes this gem:
"... anyone who remotely watches college football can see it had a lot to do with Michigan's sudden 3 yr recruiting run of avoiding the midwest's top talent and going into florida ..."
So simple, so NOT true (as shown above). Even the 'blog debunked the silly idea that Dantonio (a few cases in '09 excepted) tapped the mother lode of 4- and 5-star homegrown recruits to scoop up a bunch of midget Floridians.
It's almost as annoying as the idea that Time Of Possession edges are the cause, rather than the result, of wins.
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