says right now it's a 50/50 battle between Michigan and Ohio.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
says right now it's a 50/50 battle between Michigan and Ohio.
At least it's not 52-48.
This is one of the first recruits to have a chance to evaluate pitches from both across the entire recruitment process. I'm thinking Mattison can do this, and if he does, it would be symbolic that Meyer can't get every guy he wants.
I understand what you're saying but I don't think Hoke has the white flag ready if we don't land him. I'm surprised Meyer's interested in him, he's not rated on Scout or Rivals.
I don't think picking up an in-state guy shows anything about Meyer. When going after Ohio kids, OSU already has an advantage, and many of them would go to Ohio State no matter the coach.
When we go up against OSU for kids from neither MI or OH, that will be telling. That will also happen only a couple times a year.
Given the jersey sales environment, it might only be a few short years before many of them would not go to Ohio State no matter the coach.
Nice article. My issue with the pro-style vs. spread offense debate (and it was one I had during the RR days) is the notion that it really affects how a kid can perform on the field, especially at a position like RB. Steve Slaton was a great college RB in the spread, as was Noel Devine. LeMichael James has had a great career in a spread offense, and Monte Ball set a rushing TD record last year in the most manball of offense. Guys who are good show it on the field, and going to the pros, those scouts are educated enough to look beyond a system as see if the kid can really play at the next level.
I still want Smith to go Blue, but the notion that there is an offense better suited for him to run the ball seems silly to me,
I agree that a good RB would be able to run in either offense if given the chance, and the NFL scouts would be more than able to see that. The issue I see is some coaches just don't give their RB's the opportunity to showcase their abilities.
RR did a good job of showing what his RB's could do when he was at WVU. Oregon has also let their RB loose. Some spread offenses do that and showcase a dominant RB. Urban Meyer, however, has never really showcased an elite runner in his systems of the past. He has had some good RB's, but while playing for him they didn't reallt show it.
I guess what I am saying is sometimes the playcalling and coaching, not the system, makes it difficult for the RB to show he can play in any offensive style.
edit...damn, took longer for me to put my thoughts into words than you...
Great minds think alike I guess...or is it fools seldom differ? I'll go with the first and throw a +1 right back at ya!
The key variable you are overlooking here is the body type of each running back. Noel Devine, for example, is a prototypical spread guy. Bigger, slower more powerful guys (like this guy seems to be) are without question better suited to run the ball in Michigan's offense.
The issue is which offensive scheme better prepares a kid for the NFL? In a pro style attack, a RB learns about picking up blitzers from the shotgun and under center, learns about running from 3-4 yards behind a QB, doesn't focus on zone reads...
I'm not sure what your point is. You say that Slaton, Devine, and James all had good careers as spread running backs. And you said Ball had a good year in a more traditional I-form offense.
But there's no evidence (among those four players) that each could be successful in a different offense. Slaton has played in a zone running game in the NFL; Devine hasn't made it to the NFL; and James and Ball haven't entered the league yet, either.
Your hypothesis ("Good running backs are good") may be correct, but the evidence you offer seems somewhat irrelevant. If you come up with spread running backs who have done well in a pro-style offense, or if you find pro-style running backs who have done well in the spread, that might do more for your argument.
A guy like Chris Johnson would have been a better example.
I can't think of a guy going the other way; Lesean McCoy perhaps?
Worth noting that Meyer has NEVER had a 1000 yard rusher. Even with Jesus as his QB so not sure what, if any, points could be addressed in relation to his coaching career from this. I just dont see big backs as a need for him, unless, he is seriously changing his scheme.
I get that he's from Ohio where it's 24/7 Buckeyes, but it baffles me that any tailback would be 50/50 between these two teams right now. Look at the different situations. Michigan has an extremely favorable depth chart filled with scatbacks and guys without a whole lot of carries. Ohio just grabbed two more four stars to go with the other 3-4 they have on the roster. A Meyer RB has never run for over 1,000 yards, whereas Hoke and Borges have constantly publically stated they want a workhorse back to give 20-25 carries a game to.
I get that Meyer tells these guys things like, "I've never had a 1,000 yard rusher because I've never had anyone like you", but do recruits really not pay attention to these kinds of things?
He has to say 50/50 right now because if he indicates he's leaning toward Ohio and then doesn't commit he'll have to seek death threat advice from Kalis. I'm sure it's just a standard answer.
This is the biggest decision of his life, so he should consider everything. That said, how can a self-professed Michigan fan be split 50/50 between Michigan and Ohio State?
Strobel was a life long Ohio fan and said he had a hard time seeing why Michigan was so great at first. It is important for the athletes to try and take out any biases to try and find the school that is the best fit for them. Enter agruement about Ubran's O not being fit for him...Maybe Urban isn't completely lying to these kids about using bigger backs, which remains to be seen.
I want to start by saying this is in no way meant to be a personal judgement of Mr. Smith. I don't know anything about him or his upbringing and would love for him to come to UM and have a great career here.
Having said that, I just don't understand how someone that is a lifelong UM fan could possibly put UM and OSU 50/50. I mean, I know kids all having different interests and desires when it comes to what they are looking for in a university. I can understand when a kid who is a UM fan gets offered by USC and has thoughts about heading there because they offer somethings UM doesn't (climate etc).
What I will never understand is when a UM fan would look at their most hated rival and be able to even consider committing to them. I say this as a lifelong UM fan myself, knowing that I wouldn't care one iota if OSU ran the style offense I loved, offered the major I was looking at and offered me free tattoo's over every inch of my body I could never attend that university.
It would be different if UM didn't offer, but even then I would go somewhere other than OSU. I will freely admit though, one of the two things in my life more important to me than UM is my family so if that is what is driving him to OSU I guess I could maybe understand it somewhat....nope, sorry, I can't. Never OSU!
edit..Damn, late again. I am having trouble putting my thoughts into posts today I guess.
I wondered if that was the case with the TE who committed to Oklahoma when everyone thought he was going to M. He just might not have liked M having grown up in Ohio. I'm with you in that there is no way I would have ever considered Ohio State for football, shit, I would have gone to McGill and played canadian football before pledging to be a buckeye.*
*not sure there is a canadian football team at McGill
I'm not positive, but Kyle Kalis probably grew up an OSU fan or had parents who were very pro-OSU. His objective decision making helped us out in the end.
As a fan it is hard to comprehend, but there is so much more that goes into making a decision that will affect the rest of your life. Like the kid who picked another school because of the lack of chick-fil-as on campus.
You aren't positive, so you made something up about a recruit's/parent's opinion?
Kalis has only been living in Ohio for a few years, so he didn't grow up with an alligiance to OSU.
I've been thinking about going there ever since I was a kid, Kalis said. Once I got the offer, I couldn't think of anything negative coming out of committing early.
Everything about Ohio State I love, and I cannot wait to become a Buckeye.
TBT: Which college team are you a fan of, if any?
Kalis: I am a huge fan of Ohio State. Always was and always will be.
Just some quote pulled from Kalis' recruiting planet page.
Has he come up for a visit yet?
He visited for the Ohio State game.
Thanks, Magnus. Hopefully, he will continue to come up.
this is like brionte dunn 2.0. a RB who probably wants to go to OSU but is a better fit for our offense.
how I feel. I would love to see the RB out of VA, that runs a 4.3, in a Michigan uniform.
Derrick Green? I doubt he runs a 4.3. If he claims it somewhere, I bet he's lying.
not to be critical, but how is this like Dunn? this kid grew up liking Michigan and is a better fit for our offense.
Dude is a beast. Plays around my area here so I've got to see him a few times. Really hope he goes blue!
Deveon Smith is one of my favorite running backs on our board, so this article was reassuring. I like our chances and I think he's an ideal back for our offense. He might not hae elite speed, but he's physical and does not go down easily.
But it seems OSU has no real need for a powerful bruising back since they just signed Dunn. How many "bruising" power backs do you have in a game at one time, and what are the chances Dunn not start or leave early. Seems like a no-brainer from a biased life long Michigan fan which school he should choose.
They also have the giant 6-3 230 in Rob Smith. Carlos Hyde is pretty big too at 6-0 240ish.
The guy coming in with Dunn is also a big RB. His rivals profile lists him as 6-2 200.
I'm not sure Ohio State will have room for him. I assume they'll take one running back.
I suppose Smith and Hyde could/would transfer if Dunn or Ball pass them, but that's 4 good backs (and Jordan Hall, who'll be a senior).
Derrick Green seems to be high on OSU and I'm sure there are other RB offers out there. If one of them commits first, I'm not sure there would be room for Smith.
I think Carlos Hyde lost it on twitter last year after he was passed up by some people. I think he was really entertaining the idea of transferring.
From what I heard Rob Smith has not really put it together and that he still has fumbleitis problems.
"I always had my Michigan on whenever we played Ohio State."
Commence subtext overanalysis...
Why do people take everything a recruit says when talking to media about their recruitment at face value? Not every kid has the desire to put their sincere thoughts out to the internets about their recruitment. Many play it right down the middle until they make their decision.
Just a note on him:
Both his brothers were Division 1 athletes. Maurice Smith was a monster who went to Michigan State before later finishing up at FCS Youngstown State. Lance Smith played at Wisconsin and seem to be the heir apparent to PJ Hill before finishing up at Memphis. Very talented family. Not sure if either brother had offers from OSU, but it is safe to say he and his family are familiar with Big Ten schools and recruiting.
Also- Howland which is my alma mater is a completely different school district than Warren Harding (Manningham, Antwan Molden, Boom Herron, Maurice Clarett, DJ Williamson, Davion Rogers). Both schools have produced a ton of Big 10 talent however.
down below, just wanted to give you a big FU since you're from howland. ;)
one more year with de'veon, then harding completely curb-stomps you in '13 and then i assume your AD will beg off the series...haha
edit to add: both schools have produced talent, yours usually comes from warren.
You're 100% right. All of Howland's talent does come from Warren. Funny how they start scheuduling Harding in sports other than soccer once they opened enrollment. . . .
Eh, I'd rather put our eggs in the Ty Isaac basket
I'd be incredibly happy if we got Isaac, but if we got Smith and Shallman, that'd make one helluva 1-2 combo. I'd be thrilled with that backfield.
With Dunn at OSU, we should get him. he looks just like LT!
Considering we have a better offense for him, and he grew up a Michigan fan. He even referred to Michigan as "we":
"I always had my Michigan (gear??) on whenever we played Ohio State. It was just really funny to be the opposite of everybody."
have seen him play in person 3 times now, once as a sophomore and twice last year as a junior, and the kid runs HARD. reminds me a lot of maurice clarret in high school, minus some speed. the both run hard to the holes, the first person never ever tackles them, and both seem to get 3 more yards than they're supposed to on tough runs.
i've heard around town that he owns several michigan t-shirts and hats and has been a fan for a long time, so there's that. lol
again though, he absolutely manhandled a (very young) warren harding (prescott, diggs, mario, etc.) team. just a man among boys. the last game i saw was delayed by lightning for about an hour. harding was up, maybe 2 minutes left in the game, but howland had the ball.
they came out of the delay and fed de'veon 6 straight times for 60 yards and the go ahead score. literally everyone in the stadium knew who was getting it and likewise what was going to happen.
runs like he has a touch of the Minor rage, i hope he makes the right choice.
Can't remember the last time we won one of these 50/50 splits for a coveted recruit so I'm not holding my breath. We have two positives in that he's a UM fan and our O is a better fit for him, but two negatives are he lives in Ohio and Urban Meyer's snake oil is like RR's snake oil but faster.
to enroll in an out of state school. does this have any impact on their pro carrer one way or another. would the pro scouts look favorable on a graduate who goes to a school to fit his needs in lieu of playing near home? this can go for bb, hockey or football.
I don't think it has any effect on kids' pro prospects.