Here is a video of Sam McGuffie doing a 58" vertical leap.
Sam is working out in hopes of getting another chance in the NFL.
Here is a video of Sam McGuffie doing a 58" vertical leap.
Sam is working out in hopes of getting another chance in the NFL.
That's impressive. If he wasn't a senior he'd be a sure fire lottery pick.
Wow! He can jump 2 feet higher than GR3?!?!
Just kidding. This is not a vertical leap. This is a box jump.
Hate to break it to this news source, but that's not how you measure a vert.
No lie, last night I was sitting in my apartment wondering what Sam was up to nowadays. Funny to see a post about him the next afternoon.
*gets concussion on landing*
Amazing athlete. Even hearing his name still makes me wince in sympathetic pain.
Poor Sam. I was never more sure that a player and system would lead to immediate amazing results than I was the RR Spread n Shred and McGuffie.
After about the 12th straight jet sweep for -1 yards I realized there may be more work needed to make it successful.
I admit I was REALLY excited when we came to Ann Arbor. It stinks his freakish athleticism couldn't translate on the field.
I bet he would be an absolute beast at Cross-Fit, though.
is not good for you. Don't do it.
Crossfit starts in the gym and ends on your facebook.
This is not true.
High-rep Olympic lifts on the clock is asking for massive losses of synovial fluid, especially when your "coach" learned everything they're supposedly teaching you over last weekend. Also, flopping like a fish doesn't count as a pull-up.
Seriously, if you take out all the bullshit and bad ideas from CrossFit, it becomes plain ol' circuit training that's been around for decades.
Whose coach learned everything he knows over a weekend? My trainer has a bachelor's in kinesiology and is very bright. He's also very safe. I've done tons of different work out methods, and I've never been in better shape than I am now doing crossfit. If you're an idiot, or you have a bad trainer, anything can be bad for you. Sweeping generalizations are also bad for you.
In terms of a kipping pull-up, no one has ever claimed it's the same as doing a strict pull up, and most crossfit gyms do them both ways. But most people can't do more than a half dozen or so strict pull ups, so doing it with a kip allows you to do more of them, therefore work those muscles (and others) for a longer period of time. It's a just like a lift - sometimes you do more weight and fewer reps, and sometimes you do less weight and more reps. When you do less weight, that doesn't mean it's not a "real" workout.
and I couldn't have cared less about it one way or the other until I started doing my research. I could show you lots of articles I've read, but this one sums up what I've found the best: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-basso/crossfit_b_2649450.html. I'm sure you can come up with other articles or research that proves the opposite, but the result for me is the same...too much controversy and questions remain around a workout routine that may or may not be a fad.
My trainer has a bachelor's in kinesiology and is very bright.
Sure, but not because of CrossFit. All you need to coach and/or run a box is a weekend cert passed by a single written test. The organization exhibits zero quality control, which is my primary beef aside from all the Scientology-esque propaganda.
I've never been in better shape than I am now doing crossfit.
I hear this same line over and over again, but not only is your measuring stick probably your WOD times, meaning it's a circular statement, but being "in shape" doesn't mean your joints aren't broken to shit. Sure, circuit training is excellent for cardiovascular health. No, CrossFit won't transform you into Rich Froning. If your trainer doesn't put you at risk by doing stupid things like high-rep Olympic lifts, then he's smart, but that's not knowledge he'd get from CrossFit.
no one has ever claimed it's the same as doing a strict pull up
Except Greg Amundson. On tape. And pretty much everyone else on CrossFit's propaganda vids. Also, what I've seen doesn't constitute kipping. I see swinging. I don't care if you kip a bit on the last few reps, but don't swing 50 times and then boast about doing 50 pull-ups. And yes, countless CrossFitters actually do this.
It sounds like your gripe is more with the crossfit attitude and advertising than with the workouts themselves. Sure, not every crossfit trainer is as good as every other one. And I don't know who Greg Amundson is, but that's just one guy. Don't base your opinion off of it from one guy. And I'm sure his assertion wasn't "kipping pull ups and strict pull ups are the same." The funny thing is, I've been doing crossfit for a year and a half or so, and you've clearly seen more of their "propaganda vids" than I have. I don't personally get involved with anything "CrossFit" related outside of my gym.
I'm not basing how in shape I am by my WOD times. Crossfit is not the only physical activity I do. When I lift heavy things or play pick up basketball or go for a run with my wife, I can hang better than I have since college. I've signed up for a few mud runs which I never would have been able to do before, and now I can.
Obviously it's not your thing, and that's fine. But lots of people love it. And outside of the "propaganda" from crossfit corporate, it sounds like you don't know all that much about it.
It sounds like your gripe is more with the crossfit attitude and advertising than with the workouts themselves.
Correct, although a bunch of WODs are just plain stupid. CrossFit takes something that's been around forever, makes it worse, includes a bunch of unnecessary and/or bullshit directives like paleo, sells it for waaaaay more than it's worth, and acts like it's the be-all, end-all of fitness.
I don't know who Greg Amundson is, but that's just one guy. Don't base your opinion off of it from one guy. And I'm sure his assertion wasn't "kipping pull ups and strict pull ups are the same."
Greg Amundson is Greg Glassman's #2. Glassman founded CrossFit. And I shit you not, that was indeed his assertion. He also claimed that CrossFitters are able to "dominate" sports they've never played after a "small amount" of practice because CrossFit makes you able to do anything. His words, not mine. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
outside of the "propaganda" from crossfit corporate, it sounds like you don't know all that much about it.
I know plenty about it. I'm just choosing to highlight the negative aspects because there's nothing positive about CrossFit that is also exclusive to CrossFit despite their claims. Yes, the group atmosphere is great and provides motivation, and if your box has people who know their stuff and do their own programming, it's probably fine.
But why do the positive aspects need to be exclusive to CrossFit for them to be positive? Sure, CrossFit is not the only place I can do push ups or pull ups, but it's the place I like best to do those things. I don't see why that's not enough.
I like what CrossFit offers. It pushes me and I've seen results. It's not because of propaganda or because of what Greg Amundson or Glassman say (since I've never heard those names until today).
You are putting way more weight into how CrossFit corporate packages it rather than what it really is. I don't eat paleo. I don't hardly know what that is. I do CrossFit so I can eat a shitload of pizza without getting fat. And you might think they charge more than it's worth, but isn't "worth" determined by what consumers are willing to pay? I'm extremely cheap, but I think it's worth it (and the price varies a lot from gym to gym).
You don't really know plenty about it. You've read about it online and watched YouTube videos, but it's clear to me (and other CrossFitters on here) that you don't really know much about it. Which is fine because you have your thing. But don't rip on our thing just because it's not what you prefer.
But have you ever belonged to a box? Worked or focused on gaining a technique? Listened to success stories from CrossFit?
I've been to good gyms and bad gyms. The good gyms put together lifts that include a weight-lifting set and a circuit training set that focuses on incremental improvements in fitness and lifting techniques. I've been to one that works in lifting monthly cycles - where Week 1 is 1-rep-max, Week 2 has 5 rep EMOTM at 65-75%, and so on. The bad ones will throw together what sounds sweet and not coach or train their participants at all.
Not everyone likes going to the YMCA and running on a treadmill for an hour. CrossFit, broken down, is good ol circuit training wrapped up in a new package. But why is that a bad thing? The first thing a good gym should do is have their participants be fully aware of their limits and set goals that won't hurt them. Can't do a pull-up? Work with the bands for support. Can't do a 24 inch box jump? Move down to the 20 inch box. Don't have the stamina for 5 rounds? Do 3. Get the workout that works for you.
I don't have to jump off a bridge to know it's a stupid idea.
I'm a powerlifter, and I continue to grow and get stronger by myself without spending an assload of money to chill in a warehouse.
As I've said before, there are indeed good coaches and bad coaches at different boxes. But CrossFit markets them all as equivalent products. That's not just poor quality control; that's dishonest.
The first thing a good gym should do is have their participants be fully aware of their limits and set goals that won't hurt them.
Correct. And yet CrossFit uses Pukey the Clown and Uncle Rhabdo as its unofficial mascots. The smart boxes will ignore all the bullshit, but for the fifth or so time, they aren't the problem.
Serious question - did crossfit sleep with your wife? Because you seem to be very angry about something you don't seem very knowledgeable about
Love it or hate it, people get fired up about Crossfit. There are definitely problems with Crossfit as it's written (not always as it's applied) like the level of "athlete" participating compared to the level of complexity they are engaging in, the low barier to entry of opening a Crossfit gym, the lack of assessment in many of them, the one-size-fits-all programming, and using technically advnaced exercises under fatigued conditions, without always adaquate coaching, without a solid foundation of competitence, and in a group training environment. But, that said you have to give it to Crossfit for the comaraderie, the social experience that appeals to many, the brand recognition, the variety of training, opting for interval over aerobic work, and getting lots and lots of lay-men and women to pick up barbells and lift them. I've never seen women outside of a handfull of fitness competitors or powerlifters or college athletes in a college strength and conditioning program acutally do exercises like deadlifts, olympic lifts, front squats, and the like. That by itself is a great and welcomed contribution to the exercise world. I think a lot of fitness professional would like to have a thriving business brand like Crossfit.
Of course it's circuit training. Most training today is.
If you're doing high rep oly lifting, then you're doing it wrong. Get a better trainer/coach (this is not limited to crossfit).
Not sure the pullups are cheating, they're just different. I still do strict pull ups, weighted pull ups, ring rows, etc... probably 10 varieties of pull ups. Just like varying your tempo and weights changes the work on your body, kipping pull ups make the work more of a muscular endurance than strict strength.
insist on calling it training, what are you training for? To me, what you're doing is exercise. Physical activity for its own sake. Training is physical activity performed for the purpose of satisfying a long-term performance goal.
That's just semantics. I call it training, but you could substitute exercise and the meaning doesn't change. You don't have to be a competitive athlete to train. If I do the same workout as a triathlete, but I never sign up for the race, was it not really training?
but to me, yes there is a difference in the two. It all comes down to mindset and intent. If you intended on doing a triathlon, but didn't because of some unintended reason, then yeah it was training. But if you're doing triathlon training "just because you want to get in shape" then I say that's crazy. And I can say this because I'm training for a half IM, and if I wasn't dedicated to the race I intend to participate in, I wouldn't be doing all the things I'm doing. You just gotta take my word on that one.
But that's just your preference. There are a lot of people who don't feel the need to do any competitions, but like to train jus to get in better shape. That's not a unique thing. Many people go out running or biking, but never sign up for any races. They just like to be healthy.
Some people REALLY are training for the open and regionals, however realistic it is for them to compete. To each their own.
Personally, I don't get caught up in the semantics of the verbage (box, wod, etc...) so I can't really comment on that. I figure I'm going to exercise/train/whatever regardless of the name of the workout. Crossfit just works for my interests/motivations/goals/etc...
Sorry, no "I'm training for life, brah" comments from me.
Agreed. It seems non-crossfitters get more caught up in that than the people who do crossfit. I've never called my gym a box, I think it sounds dumb. Nor do I use "WOD" unless it's in response to someone discussing it. I don't watch the games or the YouTube stuff. I just show up and work out.
I certainly don't think crossfit is the only way for me to get in shape, it's just the best one I've found. The people at my gym are great, my trainer is great, and I've had great results. Some huffington post article isn't going to change that for me.
This is what I was talking about. The OT 13.1 post last year turned into a huffpo comments section.
I have to state that I find talking about "traditional" weight lifting significantly more often than I do about crossfit. I think most people just tend not to think about it that way because the conversations happen more organically and are usually tangential to talking about things like sports (e.g. a coworker and I had a 5 minute conversation about bench pressing that spawned from a conversation about the NFL Draft and combine results).
The ironic thing about my conversations about Crossfit is that it usually doesn't include a single crossfitter and is usually one of my gym rat friends talking about how shitty it is.
Absolutely. I have a coworker who knows I do it and I know he powerlifts. We tend to talk about lifting a lot (and as it turns out, we do a lot of the same rep schemes).
I've never understood this meme about crossfit. People talk about their hobbies all the damn time, or post their Nike run-route apps, or check in to church, or post their dumb pinterest creations. Probably more than crossfitters post theirs, but we're the annoying ones.
There are definitely people who are annoying about it, but part of that is because it's done in groups, unlike other hobbies that are more individual, so people want to talk about it. Many of the people are our gym have become friends, and friends tend to talk about things they have in common. But I agree with you - I have lots of other facebook friends who post about their Yoga or spinning class or Tough Mudder or whatever.
My big gripe is that people don't typically stop at "CrossFitters are annoying." It's always "CrossFit is stupid" and their reason revolves around people talking about it too much.
If you're doing high rep oly lifting, then you're doing it wrong.
And yet I can pull up the CrossFit website and find WOD after WOD demanding exactly that. Funny.
Damn, you're right! I'm going to quit right this second. You saved my life. Thanks!
if you know how to lift correctly and don't succumb to the herd metality it isnt terrible. but its not like seeing a personal trainer who will develop a program based on your deficiencies and goals
I'm not sure if it is good for your health from a physical perspective, but it DEFINITELY raises the possibility of you getting punched in the face because you keep talking about it.
So much crossfit ignorance and hate. It's definitely not perfect, especially not HQ and Glassman, but it does great things for a LOT of people.
Oh, I get that people like it and it is a good way to get/stay in shape (cross-training in general is good for lots of people versus running on a treadmill for 30 minutes 3 days a week). But at least here in New York, everyone who is into Cross-Fit is REALLY into it, and they love to tell you about it. And I'm a marathon runner who absolutely hates the snarky tones and "life-changing" rhetoric that spills forth from people every year they finally run the NYC marathon. So I get that any fitness regimen has its fair share of evangelists. But I've watched enough bad "boxes" or whatever you call them sprout up to recognize that just because you have those calves socks, a large hammer, and a tire doesn't mean you should be instructing other people on how to adopt a repeatable, non-injury-causing fitness plan.
OK, but just because the people you know (and tons you don't, for sure) are annoying about it, isn't an argument against it as an exercise program. And the funny thing about CrossFit is that what outsiders think about it and what it actually is is so different. Very few people at our gym wear the tall socks, I have no idea what hammer your referring to and I've flipped a tire a half dozen or so times in the last year.
I'm not sure if people know, but wearing high socks can help prevent scraping and reduce friction on the shins when performing deadlifts.They can also keep your legs warm.
Yeah I know the benefits, but I also think most people do it more for the look than anything else, especially since no one wears plain Nike tube socks or anything, it's always Rogue. I also live in southern california where keeping warm is less of an issue.
I never argued against it being an effective workout; I argue against the culture that replaces competent and measured training techniques with shouting and max lifts with improper form.
Again, I get that there are an annoying minority that makes it seem bad, and I've met more than enough crossfitters who seem like nice people. But to me, it feels like a bit of a fad that is repackaged to appeal to a subset of the population that needs that sense of community to work out, and that doesn't appeal to me.
The socks serve a purpose, and I get that. But when you are at Whole Foods, I kinda doubt you'll be needing to do any max deadlifts.
The hammer, as I've seen it, is used to hit a big rubber tire. I've also seen people swing it around as an abdominal workout.
Again, I'm happy people like doing it, but I guess I've just been at a bunch of races recently where a bunch of CF people are totally jacked to run and WON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT and then get gassed a mile in.
Crossfit newbies do get really annoying. It's because for most people it flips a big switch in their heads and makes them think theyve figured out the secrets of life (because really doing crossfit and eating paleo is going to drastically change your body and your health for the better no matter how bad the gym is.....until you get injured, which will happen more often/easily in a crappy one). And then they preach crossfit/paleo to everyone they meet for a year or so just as bad as any religious nut until they realize nobody cares and its the same as having a religion/political discussion, just dont do it unless you already know the person agrees with you. Once you get past that phase it's all good though.
He did relatively well the one season he was here, IMO. IIRC the concussions occured on bad throws from Threet and/or Sheridan, and IMO he was unfairly hated on by this board.
He had a couple of injuries at Rice that kept him from playing much, unfortunately. I hope he gets a shot at the NFL.
I forgot this was about Sam and instantly thought you "posted in the wrong thread". Then I remembered that this is mgoblog.
Throwing a smallish freshman RB into the middle of the line over and over as essentially an every down back was not good. No wonder he had concussion problems.
Small, medium, big, middle of the line, outside, it doesn't really matter. He really didn't get a ton of carries, either. He just wasn't cut out to play running back. It didn't work for him at Rice, either. He ended up as a slot receiver, which is where I wanted him to be after I saw him play a few times. He was more effective in space than trying to pick his way through the line. But in general, he just couldn't hack it. HIs numbers as a slot receiver weren't great, either.
It is hard to tell how much of his struggles are from skill limitations and how many are due to missed time/diminished ability from all of his health problems.
Probably a great athlete but not a great football player; I feel like he would have been amazing in a less "physical" sport like soccer or lacrosse.
Eh, not really. He had a couple concussions at Michigan. After that he played 12, 7, and 13 games at Rice. He's one of those players with good athleticism who just isn't a great football player. It happens. No need to blame it on other things.
Yeah, but those "couple of concussions" aren't trivial. Jahvid Best had a "couple of concussions" and was never the same player, and I could see a scenario in which he could still be playing if the NFL didn't recognize their severity.
I agree he's more an athlete than a football player it seems (maybe a crossfitter?), but he showed flashes at UM that weren't just because he could flip over guys.
The game or the hit? As far as the hit goes, McGuffie was running full speed and apparently didn't see two scarlet-clad Buckeyes ready to sandwich him. This is one of McGuffie's faults. He didn't have the instincts to maneuver out of the way on plays like this.
Both. This hit and when Sheridan was destroyed basically summed up the whole game. It looked like OSU was playing a MAC team that day.
For some reason, when I clicked on this thread I was really hoping it was another Shakey Jake thread.
to get Boliviated? (I've been waiting to use that word!)
I'd like to think I'm more of a "douche is half full" kind of guy.
Like others mentioned, this is not really a vertical, but here is the embed all the same:
Ah, McGuffie. I remember the guy was already a flash-in-the-pan legend on campus in 2008. Proceeded by flash-in-the-pan Ryan Mallett in 2007. Quickly followed by flash-in-the-pan Forcier in 2009.
All hype...sadly it wasn't meant to be for any of them.
Mallett had a productive college career at Arkansas and now gets paid to play football. Forcier had talent, but seemed to be uninterested in putting in the work to develop it.
Anyone knows what Tate is up to now?
Taters got to Tate. (I'll duck now)
Certainly not his homework.
In fact, he's probably consulting a surgeon to pull his foot out of his mouth after saying that it's almost impossible to flunk out of college.
IIRC, he didn't say it's impossible to flunk out of college, he specifically said it's impossible to flunk out of Michigan. But, yeah, mouth, taste foot.
Tate has been blowing up Facebook over the past few months promoting verve/Vemma. No joke. Gonna be a millionaire or something like that...
...and watch the NFL's best QB at work.
That said, I would change careers with him in a heartbeat.
Backup QB is the world's best job.
I still vividly remember watching that Mcguffie video where he jumped over someone on the field in high school. Oh the recruiting memories
That was the first high school highlight video I watched when I started paying attention to recruiting. I must say that almost all others have been disappointing since.
Mr. Desel seems to think one can "jump" into the NFL. I guess it worked for "Skeets" Nehemiah.
This just makes me sad. It reminds me of how high I could get up there back when I wasn't 35 with bad knees.
FYI that's a 58" box jump not a 58" vertical jump. That is still a pretty darned good box jump, but there is a huge difference between the two. A box jump allows you to bend your knees and bring your feet up onto the box, so your body isn't really traveling that far off the ground, only your feet are. So it's a test of jumping ability, but also the ability to basically...jump onto a box. A vertical jump is a pure jumping ability test which is done on a piece of equipment called a vertec. It tests the difference between where you can reach standing up and where you can reach with a jump. It looks like this.
Now that's what I call Tebowing.
As big as William Perry was, that dude could do a standing jump onto a table. It was equally impressive to see the table hold him!
Yeah, a 58'' box jump isnt that impressive. I'm a 6'5 guy with no hops at all and even I have a 50'' box jump, its almost entirely about lifting your feet up and then standing up out of a deep squat (being tall helps).
I'd be happy with a 58 centimeter box jump.
Here as it seems that the other shirts were generally tackling him two yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Where has McGuffie been the last few years?
He was at Rice through 2012. I think he was on the Raiders practice squad at one point last season, or at least in training camp. I'm not sure what happened with him after that.
Call me crazy but I feel like if we would have still run a more traditional pro style offense Sam could have been an ok back by the time he was an upperclassman. He was not a spread guy. In HS many of his runs came off tackle, power, or off counters. If he got moving and past the Dline you were in trouble. He had the speed, but he could just never get that running start when his first step was sideways. Never was a huge fan but I hope he makes it somewhere, I assume as a slot receiver.
Sam was not cut out to be a RB. Period. He ran way to upright. And he didn't really have the vision to be a slot, or a good return guy. He just doesnt really fit anywhere.