I did. I am an alum now, though. And as pointed out elsewhere, today would have had little to no waiting in line
fair point that
I did. I am an alum now, though. And as pointed out elsewhere, today would have had little to no waiting in line
How much time does it take? Lets see, I woke up to leave at 5:00 AM and returned around 8 PM, when I then had to clean up and put away all of the tailgating gear.
How long does it take a student to walk down State Street? I used to brag that I could go to a noon game and make it back to my house before the 3:30 games started when I was a student...
Yeah I saw that although to be fair-it did fill almost all up by second quarter.
And to be doubly fair NO Michigan students really "showed up" today-those in helmets or those in in the stands.
Honestly this is why expanding the stadium further scare me what the point if ur gonna have 2-3 games like this Ill bet Indiana or Minnesota has the same issue
Oversell the student section until they get enough people to buy the tickets that, given this turnout, will show up to the game on time. They already oversell the student section as it is, which explains why the Notre Dame game was as crowded of a game as I can remember despite event staffs' efforts to ensure each student received their own seat. So count admissions using ticket scans, determine attendance rate for terrible MAC opponent, and oversell the section enough to fill it up.
Of course I didn't go today as a student, so this point is somewhat moot if the section eventually did fill up. Turns out I made the right choice.
the holiest day of the year for many and you dont skip the day of atonement for akron! seems many of the michigan players were fasting while the zips feasted
"Many" is probably stretching it, as much as I respect the observence of Yom Kippur.
The % that observe Yom Kippur is not a % that you would notice missing in the student section.
guessing you arent thinking about the day and the student body demographics
So where are all the students? Somebody needs to take an aerial picture of Ann Arbor at kickoff time. My guess is that you'll see a large concentration of "studying" students in yellow shirts at the frats and the party houses on State street at kickoff time.
GA was the dumbest shit I've ever heard of the students will not line up early for games like this. In bball they don't line up for crappy matchups the difference is we play waaay more games in bball so the GA works in this case plus it's a small arena and u have the same number of students. My solution: LOWER TICKET PRICES!!
lol...you will never get Scrooge McDuck Brandon lower prices.
"it's a small arena and u have the same number of students."
It actually sounds like your solution is to cut student seating at the Big House to make it easier to fill the student sections... No?
Just walk in on time and be in a seat.
None of those seats weren't sold; they were just empty, so lower ticket prices do nothing. High ticket prices might increase the investment value and might.
What they really need to do is just track who shows up for the games and not sell them to those who don't the next year.
It is 85% red. And it's an away game for ohio 3 time zones away!
How can they fill an away stadium like that and our students can't even fill 5K seats at home?
Relax. It's a weekend trip to Cali for osu fans. Michigan fans would do the same thing if we played away at Cal. Osu has the same problem with their student section against weak opponents.
It is a tomato can, well supposed to be, game. Schedule better teams and the students will come.
Also if it filled up by the second quarter can't really blame them for being late to a game that was supposed to be a snooze fest.
Is this a surprise? I started watching around halfway through the second quarter, and I didn't have to walk to the stadium. Some people have shit to take care of on Saturday mornings, and if you're going to miss part of a game, might as well make it Akron. It's not like anyone wanted to buy their tickets. Are you required to go to every game if you have tickets? I don't get the outrage.
Well, for you the second quarter was what, 10am or so? That's pretty good considering the time difference.
I've been going to games for 20 years and without exception, the weekend of the High Holy Days has always been a problem for attendance. . . In addition to it being Akron. . .
Not to make any excuses, but the ushers didn't help today. At Gate 10, they were trying to hand out individual tickets to each person who came in which assigned us a row and a section. I had 5 people in my group and it took atleast 5 minutes for the 70 year old looking man to count out 5 tickets and hand them to us. The lines at gate 10 were almost onto Hoover st. I don't think GA works for games like Akron.
Yeah no kidding, when I actually got into the bowl, I had an usher try to look at my ticket and me to that specific seat. Nevermind the fact that there's only 10 rows filled, apparently I have to find my exact seat to sit in
According to everybody last week and the week before, GA is a smashing success, and we students who opposed it and insisted it would not actually fix the problem just have to own up to the fact that Dave B. has whipped us into shape.
I bet Indiana and Minnesota will have similiar problems
Stop scheduling games against Akrons. Seriously, I know everyone's probably heard this before, but games like this have no possible positive outcome. At best, you beat up on an outclassed team that everyone scoffs at you for playing anyways and at worst, well we almost saw what can happen. It's like watching your friend get in a fight with a girl. The AD can do anything he wants to try and fix this, but the only solution is to stop scheduling these games. On a tangent, has anyone seen next year's home schedule? It's a complete joke. The "marquee" game of the year is penn st. I honestly don't see a single game next year where tickets will be above face value in the secondary market.
would you rather play akron, or alabama? central michigan or notre dame?
i was thinking watching the highlights of the alabama tamu game that it must have been a lot of fun to be in that game. who cares when you're playing akron - a combined 3-33 in the last three years. just boring. tickets cost too much for this kind of crap.
It doesn't even have to be big name opponents week-in week-out, I mean middle/lower class BCS teams would do just fine. Obviously the atmosphere wouldn't be close to UTL I/II, but give us teams like Arizona, Washington, Miss St, off the top of my head. Games you can actually cheer for. I mean, games like this its hard to get excited because you start to get loud, and realize, we're playing effing Akron, why should I be cheering?
Those calling for a reduced number of student tickets next year will get their wish. I am a 5-time student ticket holder (who was at Akron on time today for the record) but there is no way I would pay that much for the following if I was still going to be here:
Aug. 30 APPALACHIAN STATE (What good could possibly come of this game?)
Sept. 13 MIAMI (NNTM)
Sept. 20 UTAH
Sept. 27 MINNESOTA
Oct. 11 PENN STATE
Nov. 1 INDIANA
Nov. 22 MARYLAND
What a joke. I'm not familiar with the regular season ticket process for the general public but why would people put up with the prices they pay for a schedule like this?
Yes. Thank you for posting this. One thing that came out of this whole conference realignment thing that I'm not sure how many people have noticed is that MSU and Ohio now share the same home/away schedue. Add to that the end of the ND series and you have years like next year where you dont have any marquee home conference games. Now this wouldn't be as bad if we'd schedule a competitive game or two OOC, but no, apparently scheduling app st again is the right way to go.
I'm currently a student, and am honestly contemplating skipping out on season tickets next year and just buying them all day of with this joke of a schedule. Knowing this athletic department, there's about a 0% chance of any price reduction, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they went up. Charging 40$ a game for this shit is unacceptable.
They did go up.
$75-$95 plus the seat license
Combine that with living in Chicago, having a wife and two young kids and it just makes the decision to part ways with tickets that have been in my family for 30+ years pretty easy.
Thanks DB and confrence expansion!
Can someone please explain the logic of blaming this on GA? You don't have to line up if NO ONE IS IN LINE. And if someone is in line, the seats will fill up. "I didn't want to have to show up two hours early, so I just didn't show up at all". Pretty sure you could have gotten to the game right at the kick and gotten a good seat. The way some of you are arguing I'm worried about UofM's admissions standards these days...
It looks emptier than usual because the students who did bother to show packed into the front. Games for the annual mid-season MAC-rifice have always been sparse, but spread out sparse. Let's just stop scheduling crappy teams. Apparently nobody, including the team, wants to show up for them.
When students think about their game day experience at the Big House, they take into account the whole process. If the GA process made their game day less enjoyable, they are more likely to have a negative view of games in general and are less motivated to come the following week.
The game day experience which brings fans back includes fun before and after the game. Great memories are not made sitting bored hours before the players even have pads on.
Here I'm not a student anymore (so admission standards were actually lower when I got in) and I think I can help make you a more educated snob:
1) GA is a complete mess. They are trying to give everyone individual seats and there WAS a huge line for this game today. I was at the Central game and I noted that a line that used to take 10 minutes took 30. They can't get people in fast enough.
2) Good luck selling an Akron ticket for $20 last year to a non-student. This year, HAHAHAHA. Here is my question to the board, I could have gotten student tickets for $5 all week long, how many of you bought one? I'll bet it's a very very low number, because who is going to pay for the ticket, then pay to validate it, then want to stand in line to get a good seat...
3) Today is a big Jewish holiday (I'll let you do some research to determine what it's called), and read 1 and 2 for why no student went to the game or could sell their ticket.
4) Seniors are pissed off (as I would have been) and I'm sure frats had big parties today. Students will get there early for big games against Notre Dame, the first game of the year is always special IMO, but Akron? AKRON? Nope, not going to wait in line for that game. Just watch, this will continue under GA, the way the lines work, it will be advantageous to show up 20 minutes late.
5) GA makes this looks worse than it would have in the past. in the past, everyone is spread out and the same, very low, amount of people isn't all jammed into the front rows. So to your sharp eyes, it looks more aesthetically pleasing.
I will finish this by saying I was rarely ever late to Michigan games, I hated how empty it was when i went there, but I have never liked the idea of GA and don't think it will work the way you wanted. Here is my biggest problem with all the alums bitching and saying we should make the student sections smaller, quit bitching and make some noise at the games. The "empty" student section is still louder than half the stadium filled with old people, so at least they help the team more. All I care about is our team winning and the students help way more with that!
I can agree with you regarding the rest of the stadium being silent. That pisses others off as well. And I, like you, want a loud stadium that is a constant influence.
The problem is its hard to get loud for a game like this because in the back of your mind you remember this is Akron, and anything good should be expected, and why should you betting excited for eeking out a win against Akron?
Whether true or not, there is a huge negative perception about the GA tickets and students never want to wait. I don't blame them, but te negative reaction is going to cause a lot of people to come late and to skip games. Not sure if it will be better or worse, but when you add a bad opponent at noon, it's just going to happen.
Why? Because GA doesn't so anything to address the root of the problem, which are people that care nothing about football buying season tickets so they can tailgate
Hey, all you students in the back! Stand up! Everybody up! Show those blue hairs!
You had no fucking clue if we were going to win or not insert Toledo Rockets
It was a smaller portion of the Stadium. There were fewer student tickets sold in those days. I can't remember a worse kickoff student-attendance than today's game.
Thanks for your question and have a nice day!
You can scoff at the ''this generation isn't as dedicated'' stuff but it's 100 percent true. And I'm a part of it (not a student but I wouldn't miss any Michigan game unless it's something EXTREMELY important (cousin's wedding next year is on homecoming...dammit). I weep for the future of Michigan Stadium with the combined effort of Dave Brandon pissing everyone off and the lack of dedication from this generation.
I'd close that first parenthesis before continuing to bitch about the next generation...
your claim is all heresay. Is it not possible that a fewer percentage of the students bought tickets in the past? These days, the way they promote it during high school visits, orientation, etc. they practically require that everyone buys tickets - even those who have no interest in football whatsoever.
Sell alcohol at the games. They used to back in the day. For a game like today, its like you party for three hours and then going to church. The lines, the rules, singing. Games should be raucuous, not soul crushing.
Honestly I think alcohol may be one of the only solutions.
Yeah that's definitely gonna happen.
They used to sell alcohol at Michigan football games?
"[B]ack in the day"?
Uh, what day was that? Before, uh, Prohibition?
Hah you named like the three worst fanbases as far as conducting themselves. Students and adults are already showing up to the game plenty loaded, I have rarely had a problem. And vulgarity has ALWAYS been part of the experience, especially in the student section.
I've seen plenty poor behavior at Lions games too.
And selling alcohol at UM games is a sure fire way to ruin the whole thing, IMO. I was a student too and don't recall problems w/vulgarity (not including hockey chants).