Is easy as hell....
no, YOU'RE off topic
Is easy as hell....
And an easy job which pays reasonably...
You are way out of your league here. College is much better than working for a living. Even better than a good job.
Suck it up.
there are already a lot of students at Michigan who have jobs, responsibilities, real work, and yes sometimes even families - and none of them are drinking themselves silly multiple times a week. I personally know many students who indeed skip games due to their quite legitimately busy schedules (/anecdote).
Thank you. This is what I'm trying to say.
That's not a new phenomenon. I don't begrudge any student who doesn't attend football games.
What gets me are the students who have the wherewithal to buy tickets and then not even go, or who show up with 4:50 remaining in the first quarter. Whose "busy schedule" has them tied up at 9:30 am on a football Saturday?
Your hard-working, job-holding, family-responsibility model student cannot explain the phenomenon we saw today. What explains today is too many student tickets being sold, to a too-casual group for whom the price of a ticket is not worth using, even on a gorgeous fall day.
Suppose I wanted to take my family to a game. First, I would have to buy tickets outside the student section, because UM no longer sells spousal tickets or other family tickets. Second, I then either have to sell my student ticket, or (since I have a lap-sized child) separate from my family outside the stadium in order to enter at the student gate, and then find them again inside somehow. In the latter case, depending on how long I'm corralled at the student gate, it could be impractical to meet anywhere other than the seats, although there's a solid chance I won't be able to get to wherever they're sitting since I'd be holding a student ticket and they would have to have all of the other tickets in order to enter at another gate. Third, I have to bring hearing protection, diapers, etc., in ziplock bags, in order to adequately care for my child inside the stadium. Fourth, I have to stand in an absurd line in a location that's inconvenient to most seats, or pay 400% markup, in order to get enough water for my child to last through the game without becoming dehydrated.
Suppose I don't want to take my family to a game. Then I have to spend some time around 9:30 am (on a football Saturday!) with them, in order to appease my wife, who is going to be left alone caretaking while I spend 4-6 hours on campus having fun.
Now, that's not what actually explains the poor attendance. What explains at least some of the poor attendance--and I know this to be the case for several students--is that the GA policy has them convinced that they can't get good seats without showing up hours early to a place that will charge them exorbitant prices for mediocre concessions. They also don't want to wait in any line if they're going to get bad seats anyway. So they do the thing that's rational given their preferences: they wait until the lines are acceptably short by showing up late.
We've gone 34-29 in the last 5 years. It's going to take a little sustained success before football becomes a consuming passion for the vast majority of current students. I mean, not only do large numbers of my students not attend games, most of them show no interest in even talking about the games.
why are you taking a lap-sized child to a michigan game in the first place??? They get nothing out of it! my son went to his first game saturday at 5.5 years old and he barely got anything out of it. I understand that the alternative is that you don't go to the game (which is why I wont be back until Ohio) but this is all the reason why you shouldn't be getting student tickets. Someone without small children who actually can go to the games should be getting a ticket instead.
I took him to the CMU game to get a picture of him in the stadium as a baby. He actually liked it--not because of the football, but because of all the people smiling at him. I won't be taking him after he becomes mobile until he's old enough to have the patience to sit through a whole game.
I'm pretty sure I attend more games than you do, anyway, so I don't know what the last sentence has to do with anything.
Almost no job that you can work while also putting in 40+ hours of class and study is "real work." All we're saying is if you can't go to the game, don't buy the tickets. If this was a bigger game, somehow people would manage those busy schedules so that they would show up and on time. I can't believe I have become this guy but I have to say it..You kids think you know everything. Get off my lawn!
Undergrad is a joke. Just keep it real and say you'd rather party than see Michigan play Akron
but I can assure you that there are plenty of students here currently who are not living a "joke" lifestyle. Apparently you haven't been introduced to any of the engineers taking EECS 427 or 470 and almost literally living in the Dude. There are students who skip games due to their busy schedules.
I was an EECS major. I worked multiple jobs. I found a way to carve out 4 hours on Saturday to attend football games. No major requires 90+ hours a week.
I took both 427 and 470. Spent 40+ hours a week working on 427 alone.
I wasn't late for any games.
You weren't an engineer at Michigan were you?
I was a neuroscience major. Now I'm in med school, and from my relative experience...undergrad is a joke.
was also pre-med at UM, and I have to say undergrad was no where near a joke. I think this is dependent on how busy you were outside of class (I dedicated 35+hrs/wk outside of the classroom on various activities), which meant I was busy as hell. Remove all of those hours and then the stress of med school to undergrad is not comparable, but undergrad is more about the entire experience than solely class and I wouldn't change any aspect of mine.
I majored in EE at Michigan. I went to every home football, basketball and hockey game that happened while I was on campus and even went to the big road football games And I was a good student. (I MAY have missed a basketball game or two but I really don't remember missing any).
Football games were easy--they took way less time out of the schedule than basketball or hockey. The idea that school was ever so busy that I would have had to skip a football game seems almost ridiculous to me. I can see skipping out on basketball or hockey games, but geez, there are only 7 football games all season. You can't show up for 7 saturday football games in one fall semester?
I went to every home football, basketball and hockey game that happened while I was on campus
We were really good in all 3 sports at the time, so I got to see some great teams.
I understand studying is important and I'm not suggesting that everyone go to every major sporting event on campus like I did. But geez, 7 home football games is easy.
But I still don't believe you went to every game for both basketball and hockey--the schedules often have conflicts.
Why not take all the tickets from them? Then it would be a true college experience. Schedule better effing games.
students have made it known that a large chunk of them don't particularly care to make to the less exciting games. Could be solved by offering single game or 'big game' ticket packages to students and leave the other games open to public sale, though the AD would never go for that
I currently live in Eugene, OR and what they do at UofO is sell / give out student tickets on a weekly basis.
This is importlant because it allows them to reduce the size of the student section week-to-week. For really bad games the student section is smaller and those tickets are sold to the general public. For big games, the student section is huge. For the Civil War Game (vs OSU, but ntOSU) they give priority to students who have made it to every other game.
I think this may be a good solution to some of the problems Michigan (and a lot of other schools) experiences.
If you think the current GA system is bad, just wait until DB introduces "Dynamic Student Ticketing" with a system like you're describing. These guys have a way of making simple ticketing into an intricate, marketing-laced bonanza that will annoy or inconvenience everyone and please none.
Let's just go back to the old system, shrink the section, schedule better teams, and let the winning take care of the rest. If the students don't show up, that's a choice they're making, and it seems it's a choice they're going to keep making no matter what.
Give the tickets to fans who will show up and pay more than the students. This is making whatever DB wants to do all the easier...
Why should we make sure that COLLEGE students be able to attend COLLEGE football games? That's just silly. Then we would not be just like the NFL.
A better solution is to increase student ticket prices by 25-50% and then give the student ticket holders a credit if they are in the stadium 15m before kickoff.
So if there's a long line or a bathroom emergency and I get there 13 minutes before kickoff I'm screwed out of money?
I am in that top right area of the pic. Was there doing my best to be loud and encourage. I felt like even when the student section got "full" they were still quiet way too often. Really disgraceful indeed. I knew it would look bad when I was sitting there, but actually seeing it is much worse than I thought.
However, the opponent shouldn't have been a very exciting one so it's not terribly surprising after last week. Still sad to have so few show up on time
Not as disgusting as the teams performance. This is what happens when you schedule cupcakes. Students can and will show up in force (see: UTL2) if its a high profile game. For this game, I literally saw dozens of students giving away free tickets. No takers. Many students went home this weekend. Some skipped the game to work on essays and projects. I really dont see the problem here. It was nearly full most of the game.
I seem to recall it still being half full in the 2nd quarter
Thats funny, I thought that if the first 80ish rows of the stadium were filled, than it would be considered more than 'half full'. Stupid me.
It took me 5 minutes to sell a student ticket for $10 today. I saw no students trying to give them away.
The kids were all just stuck at gate 10 trying their little hearts out to get in. Right? That's it, isn't it?
Well, there's about 50 ushers at each gate, all quadruple checking your ticket to make sure you're in the right section. Which totally defeats the purpose of GA. And then students get to "their" seats, and there are other people in them. Gotta love general admission.
I guess it depends what time the pic was taken....
The band is on the field and the team is running out to touch the banner.
A sad display.
It's going to be a ticket-apocalypse with next year's schedule. Tix will be had for most games for $25 or less, and unless a section is cut (again) from the students, more displays like this will be in the offing.
this generation is about texting and hanging out. Being on time for games is a no no.
Rabble rabble rabble cell phones rabble rabble
I know why they were all late... they were masturbating!
"College kids in my day had to walk uphill....both ways....in the snow...barefoot...to masterbate. That's real masterbating! Kids these days, have it easy when they want to masterbate!"
- Grandpa, Rugrats
What the official attendance was?
107k and change
The upper bowl filled out more as the game went on, but still less than capacity even before the renovations. Would love to know if "the largest crowd watching football anywhere in America today" still appplied today.
Tennessee and OSU were on the road, and for various reasons don't draw that much. Any word on whether or not PSU sold out? Michigan probably outdrew them.
This isn't the first time Michigan had failed to sell out. Given the game, not surprising. The significant numbers are the capacity, the crowd records, and the streak of 100k plus games.
I think that streak could be in danger in a few years, btw.
To hear the esteemed Mr. Grapentine announce that there were 107 thousand masturbaters in the stands.
or are we not talking about that anymore.