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Rutgers embroiled in another athletics scandal
I like this Micheal Jackson the best. He wasn't a charicture of a human being yet and it's close enough to my time that I can feel some sort of cultural connection.
Can the B1G retract the invitiation and take someone else instead? Rutgers was a crap choice anyway.
Nobody cares about them in the NY area, they are turrible at every sport, mediocre at best in football.
But now all of this plus Mike Rice?
Give me UConn, Cincy, Kansas, Kansas State. ANYONE? Hell, I'll even take EMU.
Well maybe not EMU.
Good point. Any know if there is any way the invitation to Rutgers could be revoked?
the same thing when I saw the title! Seriously, anyone!
Well we definatly don't have to worry about peppers going there.
Not that we really had to worry anyway.. Haha
Is that about that pregnancy thing? I suppose it's an issue, but it's kind of a non-story
On its own, it might not be a story. But given what's happened recently at Rutgers, its a big story. Rutgers hired a search firm to look for candidates to replace Pernetti (who as a reminder turned a blind eye to a coach abusing his players), and Hermann wasn't one of the candidates that the firm sent back. So they hired a firm, ignored that firm's advice, and then hired someone without doing any sort of background check at all, and got a former coach that abused her players and co-workers. And as an added bonus, she boldfaced lied at her introductory press conference about not remembering the wedding where she A) was a bridesmaid at, B) caught the boquet, and C) was later sued for a comment she made on camera about hoping the bride/her asst coach didn't get pregnant.
The whole thing just screams total incompetence by Rutgers.
but the video you linked to is basically a "cute" wedding candid video with the bride's boss. Hopefully the Star Ledger isn't the Freep.
It must be something bigger and the preganncy is just part of it. Then again, I was let down by tatoogate. It was being built up like it would crush their program.
Looks like this is the full story: http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/05/rutgers_new_athletic_director...
It's cool guys, the Debt Turtles and Scarlet Scandals are totally going to expland our geographic footprint and capture markets.
By the way it was made clear to Rutgers they joined the B1G, not the SEC, right?
Here is the article.
Looks like another AD shall be hired soon.
Come on Rutgers. I mean, really? You just had to toss a coach and the AD for this kind of shit, and you hire her? I'm sure there are two sides to every story, but considering the reason Rutgers was hiring in the first place, they should avoid anything involving abusing players like the plague. I'm sure lots of schools beside Louisville have assistant ADs who qualify and didn't lose a wrongful termination lawsuit or have their players express a vote of no confidence in a public letter.
I'm so glad Rutgers is in the conference! Yeah!
They should have showed the next five seconds when AD Hermman's pants burst into flames...
but where's the scandal? It's just some old embassing skeletons in the closet that was resolved over a decade ago.
Considering what just happened in the Mike Rice scandal, this lady is the last person Rutgers should have hired as AD.
Agreed. If we'd hired her to replace Martin, this would be less of a story. MSC could say "I believe she's a changed person and will of course monitor the athletic department." We have a strong president and regents (plus no history of player abuse) so it would be credible. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would believe that MSC could monitor the AD. Rutgers has no credibility.
It's also like a bad sign that the AD isn't denying it or coming clean, but rather than saying "I do not recall". The non denial tends to suggest that shit can still flow further downhill.
I don't think it's the type of something to get someone fired over and it's already been resolved legally in 1997.
It's embarassing to be sure, but I wouldn't expect a new AD search to begin over this.
The Rutgers AD was found guilty in a wrongful termination suit by a jury, and then she lied about the details of it during her press conference. And now details are emerging about her own abusive practices while she was coaching. I think this is kind of relevant seeing this is the reason Rutgers was looking for a new AD in the first place.
That's why I don't think it's a scandal.
They definitely should've done their HW in hiring her but starting a new search for another AD over this would be making a bad situation even worse.
The article already raised some question about why she was never questioned about her past at Tennessee during the interview process. The hiring committee did not even know about it until late in the process when she was already a finalist for the job.
I'm not sure what will happen next, but I doubt this story is going away any time soon and may be worse to keep her than hire someone fresh. May not get fired but may get pushed by Rutgers admin to step down to avoid having this issue linger.
While the AD may not get fired, this is the type of thing that should get people on the search committed fired. You hire a firm to look for candidates, ignore their advice, and hire someone with the same checkered background that got you into the mess in the first place.
The people on the search committee had one job to do, and fucked it up in every possible way.
Jim Delany: ''Oh hey Big East, uhhh so yeah I think I changed my mind about Rutgers. No give backs!''
WOTS is Everett Golson may transfer to Rutgers now.
The article basically boils down to "She was super mean". No apparent allegations of anything past that.
I think that is a big one too especially because she lied abou the details regarding it at her press conference.
And I think the last person you want at the Rutgers AD job right now is anyone with any hint of allegations of abuse considering the Mike Rice scandal
Well, that and the fact that a coach being "super mean" is why there was an AD opening in the first place.
Also, this is the second time the dependence upon university lawyers has left Rutgers with a PR nightmare. I don't really blame the lawyers, especially if Hermann's memory was as conveniently spotty when she was vetted as it seems she has been with statements to the press. I wonder if it will be enough for them to void her contract.
Is that they just had to clean house because of a coach doing similar things to what she is alleged to have done. If you're Rutgers, you can't possibly hire her knowing that, it's just dumb. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified individuals who wouldn't have people accusing them of doing exactly what got the last AD fired. You need to hire someone that shows your commitment to not letting this happen again, and you need to do your homework on every available candidate.
Maybe she's a changed person, but even if she is, this reeks of Rutgers just promoting the next person in line, and is a PR nightmare.
You just fired the AD over a scandal involving player abuse, and now you hire an AD with a history of alleged abuse who was found guilty in a wrongful termination suit. Not a good combo.
and that's why you're Rutgers
Sensational title. Good job.
Not content with Mike Rice as their basketball coach, Rutgers hired Mike Rice to be AD.
What did she do after making a horrible mistake 18 years ago? She learned from her mistake and climbed the ladder, in a very male dominate profession. 18 years ago I would have been more shocked to find out that a coach wasn't insulting thier players. It was a lot more common place back then and a lot more accepted. So she made a mistake, I forgive her and commend her for moving forward in her life. Now if she is still making those same mistakes, then maybe it's a story.
Sounds like you forgive her b/c she is a women.
Its one thing if she said "I made some mistakes years ago and I'm sorry and I've learned over these years." Its completely different that she is either in denial or lying through her teeth about it.
Would it have made you feel better if I had typed "she did something very difficult" during her career.
Just my opinion, but I think there's more than enough evidence to conclude that the woman is a sociopath. People of that type don't generally "learn from their mistakes" and evolve. That doesn't mean there's not a useful place for her in society, but I think "Athletic Director, Rutgers" is a poor choice.
Seriously, look at how she responded to the news.
P.S. In some environments "climbing the ladder" requires bad behavior. It shouldn't be automatically celebrated.
You read a one sided story and concluded that she is a sociopath? Reminds me of that "it must be true" its on the internet commercial. I respect your opinion however in regards to the rest.
She made the mistake in a profession that isn't "very male dominated" as if that is some sort of excuse to abuse your players. Oh, but because she was the minority gender (in college sports... where 50% of the players are women) of a girl's volleyball team she's excused?
Can Rutgers please be excused? Makes me sick. Now they're taking a cheater in Golson... really impressive Rutgers. I wonder if a normal STUDENT-athlete would be treated the same??? Rutgers better get boos comparable to ohio next year. I will certainly tell any Rutger's "fan" (if I can find one) the Big East still has a spot open for them and Big Ten fans are urging Rutgers to jump.
I never excused her actions, I simply stated that at the time, it was more of a norm for coaches to belittle thier players. Unfortunatley there are times in America where the majority thought something was wrong, but it was so accepted that no one said anything, or they looked the other way. That or people were so uneducated to it that no one thought twice about it. Where's the outcry from people regarding corporal punishment, which is still used today? Abuse is still accepted across the country, does it make it right, NO it doesnt, but it does show that Americans still have a very diffrent opinion about what is abuse and what is "education", no matter how ignorant it may be.
If she made the mistake and hasn't repeated it, then I forgive her for being human, not for being a woman.
I don't think this is that big of a story . . . it seems to boil down to her being a jerk 15-20 years ago. But it is pretty funny that they basically hired the female equivalent of Mike Rice. They sure can pick 'em.
More bad conference publicity please! Thanks!
I thought for sure Peppers was headed to Rutgers, but I think we have a really good shot now.
does someone's past no longer matter. It was 16 years ago
If it doesn't matter, why does she continue to "forget", side-step, or lie about it then?
I have a feeling that if the Big Ten knew what was about to happen, they would have found another school to invite into the conference.
Wouldn't this have been a non-issue if she had just admitted to it and didn't lie? She seemed to be obviously joking in the video too(there may have been some level of truth, but it was said in a joking manner).
As of now, this is a story but not a huge story or even close to being a scandal. We will see what else comes about, if anything, and go from there.
For every one claiming this is irrelevant because it happened decades ago you are missing the point. She is lying about it NOW.
No one forgets a lawsuit (much less one that cost your university $150,000).
No one forgets an angry team letter (much less one that accuses you of wrong doing and which cost you your job).
No forgets they were at a wedding (much less one where you were a bridesmaid and caught the bouquet).
If she lied to the press and the public (which is proven she did) it only stands that she probably lied to the Rutgers administration when they interviewed her.
Bottom line is the AD is a lier NOW and should resign immediately.
This story isn't going away. The denial (or "I don't recall") of the wedding video, and of even being at the wedding, are mind blowing. Honestly, I can't imagine forgetting a wedding that I was in 18 years ago. I lived with two friends in Ann Arbor for four years, about 20 years ago, and was part of both their weddings. You don't forget something like that.
Further, to minimize what happened at Tennessee, and not to recall, seems very convenient. For that many of her former players to go on the record about her behavior, speaks loudly to me about what she was really like.
I guess for me, the thing that galls is the total lack of any kind of kind of remorse. I don't see any sense of her ever saying, "I made failures in judgement, both in decisions with my coaching staff, and in how I worked with the athletes on my team."
This also appears to bother most of her former players at Tennessee. If she had simply apologized to them, the matter would probably have been long forgotten. They have the feeling that she has not been held responsible for her abusive coaching behavior. I have to agree. Part of learning from a mistake and moving on is taking ownership for your mistake. I don't see that having happened.
In the end, I don't know what will happen, but I hope she isn't released this week, or anytime soon. The longer this festers the better (for Michigan.) She will eventually be forced out. As far as I'm concerned, the longer this takes the better, because of the damage it will cause Rutgers.
There are plenty of message boards out there where no one cares about grammar or spelling. Feel free to post on one of them if that's your bag.
Nice straw man there, get-on-my-lawn. Methinks you've probably had your share of tough love.
"Rutgers is joing us, and that is just how it is." I'm guessing you don't score too well on the "Resolve" section of personality tests? I will never support the blemish that is "Rutgers". They want to "step up" into a Big-Boy conference? Better have your ducks in order. They obviously aren't prepared to handle a real athletic conference and they've bungled each and every step along the way. Now if you want to just let the new member call the shots, hire liars, recruit cheating "student"-athletes, let coaches abuse players, and generally be a God-awful, joke of a university in (North / Central / South?) New Jersey, then maybe Rutgers should get its shit together so it isn't even easier to mock.
I really don't care what happens to Rutgers & their AD. The reality is that it doesn't matter that much, to either me or to Michigan. You know, I don't take great pleasure in other's downfall, and I'll agree with your criticism that it is whiny and like a spoiled brat.
Having said that, apart from Rutgers, I think their AD is in denial, and hasn't taken ownership for her own past abusive behavior. I feel sorry for her, but seriously doubt her competency for the position. I don't wish her ill: I just want to hear her say, "I was dishonest with myself and others. I was abusive of my players, and no one should be treated that way." I'm not holding my breathe, and she doesn't owe me an apology. Her former players? That's a different question.
Regarding grammar police, write and spell the way you see best fit. No skin off my back. I'll just say, your arguments and positions will tend to be considered more fully when you write, spell, and articulate well. (If I am going to be a grammar Nazi, it would typically be to tweak someone who rarely if ever makes a grammar mistake.)
You've been on track for the banhammer or Bolivia since you started posting, and it's only a matter of time before you earn it.
Can't say you'll be missed.
She seems slightly unstable.
This is exactly the shit i want from Rutgers...obviously not, this just reinforces everyone's opinion that adding Rutgers was a bad idea
Adding Rutgers was a horrible, horrible HORRIBLE idea even before they showed themselves to be the keystone cops of Athletic Departments. Now it is beginning to look like the most ridiculously bad move in history. At this point, would the MAC even take Rutgers?
Don Imus is either laughing or shaking his head.
Since we were kids my brother and I have always referred to this school as "Crudgers".
This will not end well.
Fuck you Delaney!
Dr. Tobias Fünke, M. D.
Even if all of that is only half truth, Rutgers can not afford to hire someone with even a wiff of a checkered past. Is it impossible to find a potential AD without a former lawsuit? I would hope not.
I'm sure s resignation is forthcoming shortly from Rutgers.
I hear Jim Tressel is available!
"So Rutgers hired a search firm, then ignored it, then failed to do a thorough background check on the woman it eventually hired. So Rutgers takes what should have been an easy decision in November – firing an out-of-control coach – and embarrasses itself again in May." - from the article
That is what makes this even more mind-boggling - Herrmann was a late addition to the pool and was not on the list of 47 potential candidates recommended by the firm they hired. If Rutgers was looking for someone who will have the credibility in the university community to change the outlook of Rutgers athletics in the wake of the Rice / Pernetti mess, this was about as big of a swing and miss as they could make.
It seems to me that Rutgers could have done much towards beginning to make amends if it had been a thorough search and an enlightened hire, but now they create a public relations nightmare if they defend her even for a little while as well as if they let her go - either way, it looks like they didn't absorb the most important lessons of the previous debacle at all.
Of PSUs Bill O'Brien hire.
I really had zero impression of Rutgers before the first scandal. Now they are painting a clear picture of who they are.
Nice job, B1G.
Way to represent the females!
I like that each coach stuck to their gender's stereotype... makes it easy to remember. Tice just threw basketballs at players and called them fags... a little physical and a little sexual humiliation. Of course the girl goes in with more subtle, biting attacks that actually might hit closer to home... slut, whore, alcoholic... things college girls worry about. Just a real interesting comparison between the differences of male/female abuse. Thanks Rutgers, this evidence will certainly serve as important evidence for gender studies departments across the Big Ten!
Is the ink dry on the Big Ten contract? Any way to get out of it? I wasn't really sure what they brought to the party in the first place, aside from some east coast viewership, but with the athletic department in disarray, we probably won't even get that.
Are contributing to the content of the blog in your usual fashion.
By doing that, you are actually conforming. Sucks that you tried so hard to be different only to succeed at being a sheep.
It is amazing how incompetent this athletic department has shown themselves to be over the past 6 months. I was pissed they were being added to the Big Ten before all of this. The Big Ten and all of the member institutions will be laughed at for bringing Rutgers in to the conference. I do not appreciate the negative publicity this will bring to the conference and the lack of national or even regional significance Rutgers brings to athletics. Terrible decision by the Big 10.
You are missing the scope of the issue, dawg. The athletic department doesn't hire the AD - the higher ups at the university do. It's an institutional issue (and a repeat one at that).
It's time to fire the President. The gov gave him a pass last time...and he was culpable then.
Rutgers will need to clean house with it's selection committees, etc.
I mean, how else do you rebuild confidence of the NCAA, the BIG10 and their alumni.