But seriously, I don't hate this. Could be resting DG. Whatever. DG will be starting
Rumormongering: Morris taking 1st Team Snaps this Week? [Ed-H: False.]
Where did you hear this?
Random tweets, some folks on campus...but nobody that would necessarily be, like, a lockdown source.
DG will start. I hope he has a great game!
Could also mean Devin is pretty beat up and one good hit away from having to come out and they want Morris ready just in case.
Yes, let's not have Russell Bellomy does Nebraska, part deux
I dunno.... I kind of like a good horror flick.
Thst wasn't a horror flick. That was a snuff film.
I don't understand.
I read that with the perfect deadpan voice. It's gold Jerry!
Al Borges' plan all along. Shane is actually Peyton Manning and he has been saved for the ohio state game, which will be a blow out but also make Peyton too tired to play Sunday, meaning the broncos will lose and the offensive coordinator will take the blame for it, obviously for letting his QB play a college game the day before, meaning the spot is open, Borges (looking like a genius for getting a hall of fame caliber QB to play for him and beat a rival) takes the job he always wanted. Also, I heard Shane Morris is thinking of transferring with Glenn Robinson iii and McGary to man united. Or this could all be nothing...
No... I can't stand soccer
I really hope they go to Tottenham Hotspur.
I've seen a decent bit of talk regarding his injury being bad enough to keep him out of the game.
Shane Morris will get killed by our OL. DG at least has a little bit of mobility.
Sahne is "cream" in German.
We're going wildcat and/or Gardner's back to wide receiver.
I keep thinking that DG back to WR is the ONLY wrinkle Borges could possibly have up his sleeve.
They'll never expect it to be run 29 times
I heard it was Cleary.
fwiw, I've hear the same thing. However, don't expect him to start.
It's how reality is today. Everyone who saw this OP, even just the title, on the Recent Post board has now read mention of the rumor that Shane might start. If not for the long weekend, that could have literally been enough to start a substantial rumor by gameday.
And for those who read the post:
Arm in sling. Morris with the majority of snaps. Gardner's "comments". It all adds up.
Maybe Shane does start.
Or maybe it's nothing.
Or maybe most comments are nothing. Maybe not even maybe.
No question DG isn't remotely close to 100% and any kind of rest he can get will be more useful than taking snaps in practice.
Lots of rest. Great chance for Shane to get a few practice snaps with the 1st team.
Just looked it up. The last time UM was shut out was 1984. If Shane Morris starts, I'm afraid that streak will end :(
You think Gardner will do better? He's more scared than a mouse in a snake's cage.
And Shane would be that mouse's shit. As yippy as DG is right now, he's still a much much better option than Shane. I doubt DG has a good game. But he'll still have a much better game than Shane would IMO.
attitude, and he's a warrior. But, he has become gunshy as the season has progressed, and fails to make throws when he should. Instead, he has tended to watch the rush, instead of looking downfield. I hope he steps up into the pocket, and releases the ball on time. If he does that, we stand a chance.
If Morris plays, I think we'll be more prolific in the short passing game, where Devin has been inconsistent, and too jittery, but I really hope this is an effort to get DG in at wide out for a few plays, and get Morris some practice time.
I would like some of whatever it is you're smoking. Prolific? LOLOLOLOL
Yes I do. I'm afraid Morris would be like Bellomy last year. I would love for him to prove me wrong, but I would love even more for Devin Gardner to play and play well.
...except without the wet noodle for an arm.
Gardner has taken a beating and opposing defenses know they don't have to cover for long. Taking away the rest isn't rocket science.
...he's been hurt for 4 weeks now. There is a chance he doesn't finish the game, Morris has to be ready. This is a nonstory.
all over again?
A QB with no business being out there because he's too hurt to practice?
Henne was on track to play normally until his cortisone shot was given right in his brachial plexus
Ugh, flashbacks. I still don't know why they stuck with Henne so long in that game. 11/34, yikes. Felt bad for him. Senior, last game, can't feel arm.
I also remember Mario Manningham doing nothing to help Mallett in terms of leadership or production
constantly pouting and made at least one huge drop I can remember
If the rumors are true, them I'm kind of excited to see Shane thrown into the snake pit. Regardless if Devin is healthy or not, he has been just as big of a problem as the offensive line and running backs. Shane has tremendous upside and can probably test Ohio vertically more efficiently compared to Devin. Now if line can handle the onslaught of interior blitzes that Fickle is going to dial up...I can't even finish that sentence. We're screwed.
If the rumors are true, then I'm actually horrified. If Shane is thrown into the fire for this kind of game, and it ends up going really badly, it could be something that destroys his confidence for the rest of his career here.
You can bet if this is the case, Fickell will be dialing up the blitz on every single play. I'd be shocked if Morris wasn't sacked 10 times.
Oh bs. Shane would relish this, as he should. Hes the qb of future
Are complete bullshit. A top recruit doesn't get swayed in his abilities by one game in his Freshman year. And if he can't handle 1 bad game he'll never amount to anything anyway.
AJ McCarron's first real game not just garbage time was against Auburn in 2010 after McElroy got knocked out. He took the field with Julio Jones already out due to an injury so no go to receiver. According to his dad, this was the exchange.
Wasn't he a redshirt then?
Who was that Texas QB who got put in against Bama in the MNC (I believe was a freshman/RS freshman) and promptly crapped the bed, did nothing of note at Texas after that, and transferred to a small school (SMU I think)? Gilbert or something of the like?
It's probably impossible to tell if that had anything to do with 'Bama beating his ass or if he just wasn't any good.
EDIT: And it was Garrett Gilbert, who actually wasn't horrifying against Alabama. Texas was in that game the whole way.
Never underestimate what Borges can do to a quarterback.
I love Gardner, but his confidence is gone and he clearly is not 100%. I would rather start Shane and have some confidence that we might score points as opposed to getting obliterated and being frustrated with poor play.
Shane's first start in high school he was thrown into a huge game as a freshman and won. In high school he had ice running in his veins according to several scouting reports. You need someone leading the offense that has confidence. Gardner has none.
If we do get killed with Shane back there his confidence is not going to be destroyed. Anyone that says that or thinks that has never played football or really any competitive team organized sports or is just a pussy
Playing as a freshman QB in high school and playing as a freshman QB at Michigan in The Game are not even in the same universe. I'm with the people saying it's not gonna ruin him for life but there's also about a 1 percent chance of him actually playing well with this offensive line. At the very least Gardner is used to how fast guys are coming at him and can run away. What's the point in getting Shane destroyed if it's not necessary?
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It ain't the same league it ain't even the same fuckin' SPORT!
will not get broken by Ohio State. The idea that Devin Gardner/Morris are shitting their pants at the thought of defensive linemen or pressure is ridiculous.
These are God damn football players. Their warmups involves getting concussions. Their celebrations involve concussing another teammate. If Shane starts he'll be fine.
Stop projecting your weakness and fear on true blue hardcore football players and let em play. I guarantee you Shane Morris would f'ing love leading the charge against OSU. If need be let him play.
There are reasons to not want Shane Morris to start. Fear isn't one of em. This is Michigan fergodsakes!
why do you believe 10 sacks would be any more than Devin?
With that O-Line?
Years ago something was going terribly wrong at work and I said "things just can't get any worse" and I was quickly corrected by my boss who said "Wrong. Things can ALWAYS get worse."
If Devin is out things just got worse. A lot worse.
Devin is lost right now. His confidence is rock bottom. If his first option is covered, he just seems to freeze. He's been like that for several games. Devin appears indecisive and doesn't make quick enough decisions regarding his options, check downs or whether to tuck it and run. He had it during the first two games, but lost it since. It isn't all Gardner's fault, but the QB is the spark plug of the offense. If he's sputtering, and he clearly appears to be, then the whole offense sputters.
I don't a lot about Morris, but I would assume he knows the offense (for what it's worth). Morris is either the kind of kid that is chomping at the bit to get in and show what he can do, or he's withering on the sidelines, hoping the coach doesn't call his name.
If he's the former (which I tend to believe he is), then I say play him. My quarter says he can throw with more accuracy than Gardner and at this point may be able to read better what the defense is giving him.
The ND D-coordinator didn't have film showing how bad our O-Line was. And didn't recognize and attack quickly enough in-game to pressure the short game.
With time to think, opposing coordinators can pressure and take away the short game. If the line holds, then Gallon can have a field day up field like he did against Indiana. The problem is that the line doesn't hold and the opposing coordinator knows how that frees him up to attack our glaring weakness.
April 1st is still months away.
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Sports Ace Williams strikes again! "sources"
Sounds pretty awesome right now.
Maybe the idea is the Ohio defense will be expecting a Devin look and gameplan for that and by putting in a different QB it catches them off guard.
Mizzou was killing SCar until they put in Shaw and suddenly SCar came back.
Couple of years ago Alabama was prepared for Jarrett Lee but then LSU suddenly put in Jordan Jefferson and LSU ended up beating Alabama.
Then again I could just be hoping too much and enjoying my post turkey bliss.
I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.
I thought something was fishy in your statement.
I didn't get the reference right away, but it was such a ridiculously stupid comment, I knew it had to be a quote, and sure enough, both the quote and the meme in the previous post are from Dumb and Dumber.
Jefferson and Shaw had/have some wheels and could/can scramble. Morris, not as much. While you have a point, the scramble aspect of Shaw and Jefferson helped their teams' causes.
Now maybe if we put Shane in one of those newfangled pad sets...
Purely based on that part of the thread quoting that Tweet. Borges' demeanor in the press conference clinched it for me. We will see another QB other than Devin. Thank God Shane got all of that experience in the CMU blow out and performed so well in the final moments of MSU .
Will the line jump to Michigan +28?
Shane will know how to avoid the turf-monster on 4th-and-4.
This would give UM the built in excuse they need to blame a blow out loss on. This would help save face with ton of recruits that will be in attendance.
I'll be in "house" but I am afraid this is going to be ugly
but those "chunks" that just hit you on the head were NOT pieces of the sky falling.
.. These kids and staff will go all out to win. Your comment is insulting to say the least.
Stealing the quote above from R.L. Burnside, one of the best Mississippi Blues Musicians.
If this is true, I'm hopefully optimistic for the Game. However, if this is true, I wish it wasn't posted, as it could tip the only card in our hand to the competition.
they already burned his red shirt for absolutely nothing, so getting him some snaps that matter wouldn't suck.
we are Doomed with a capital 'D'
I'm sure he has a good handle on the six plays they run.
Some pretty good posts on this thread.
That was the best one.
it's getting them into the 41 different formations that worry me.
Finally. I feel like alan arkin just finding out the 6 got out of iran.
Think about the momentum if morris plays well. He shouldve been playing a month ago
Only problem I see in that thinking is they have PLENTY of tape of Borges' offense which Morris will run. That being said, I understand the point the point about the backup or unknown qb coming into a game and palying like a house on fire. If this rumor is true maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle.
given that he's a different QB than Devin.
bring the house on Bellamy and see how he handles the pressure. Whenever a true freshman goes in, the better teams always pinned their ears back and got aggressive. Especially with our porous offensive line. . .he wouldn't stand a chance.
They will be blitzing up the middle on every passing down, regardless of who is behind center.
Anyones who does not do this against us is not good at logic.
Seems like not having tape would be a bigger advantage if the guy you're bringing in is more mobile than the one he is replacing. I'm not so sure it is as much of an advantage the other way.
If Morris does well maybe it will be the beginning of a Gardner to WR next year? Redshirt Speight and have Bellomy/Cleary as backups.
Seems like we'd be better off with depth at qb. I realize we'll be pretty young at wr next year, but Gardner has pretty limited experience there too.
The 1st team has to practice with a QB, right? When resting DG, is the 1st team just supposed to play hop scotch?
Don't be ridiculous. I thought everyone knew they played marbles.
This may be a dumb question (i.e. it's already been discussed)...but....
Has there been mention of Devin having broken ribs?!
I'd bet he clearly has a broken something....whether it is ribs, ego, mentality...something is broke.
Talk about getting thrown to the wolves.
is a better pro-style QB, just maybe we would be better with him, maybe, I wouldn't know, since the game means nothing to us from a championship standpoint, why not find out.
Because we would like to win.
Seriously....how is this blog falling for so many of Ace Williams' bullshit "source" reports? This is getting pathetic on this board.
Is this really an Ace Williams story?
So are you saying John Harbaugh will not be the head coach next season?
I dare not sully this board with Ace Williams diarrhea.
This note was something I've heard from a few different, mutually exclusive sources.
I heard Gardner will play WR too.
I hate to be the Debbie Downer, but it really doesn't matter. Gardner or Morris, either way we lose this game convincingly. I just hope we don't lose so bad it hurts the program, recruits, fans booing etc. Althought I do hope we play poorly enough on offense that Hoke is convinced to fire Borges...assuming we lose that is.
I hope the team shuts up all you guys predicting a blowout, fuck that, I think the team will play their hearts out and show everybody up!!!
I hope so. I'll be at the game and it's my last OSU game as a student. I've been going to Michigan games since 2006 so I've seen my share of beatdowns. While I'm not getting my hopes up, part of me doesn't want to miss the chance to see this team take out a season's worth of frustration on the Buckeyes.
I think Borges wil coach a horrible offensive attack. Nonetheless, Michigan comes out of this with a win. Defense plays strongly and get's some points. Green falls foward just enough time.
I have hope and I can tell the players have hope to. Can't wait for the game.
I'm not defending his all-time-worst Mr. Hyde performances this year.
But Al has called some good games here. Too bad he had no idea how to either develop or cover for an inept interior O-Line.
Maybe this is a game where he gives up on "program building" and just calls to win on every down knowing he'll get crushed otherwise.
I do too! But, watching them all year doesn't give me much confidence in it happening. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Yeah, Ohio is not a world beater. They played as bad against NW and Iowa as we did.
Yeah, but when they play crappy they still put up 30-plus points and remain hard to defend. When we play crappy we go entire halves of football without a first down and take consecutive negative plays. Their crappy is our good.
I see a lot crack laced turkeys were eaten today.
Had very little turkey in it.
Agreed, Ohio is susceptible, they prove it year in and year out. My wife is an Ohio fan and I got her tickets to the Purdue Ohio game last year. We left before it was over because it looked like it was over in favor of Purdue. Ohio seems to drink their own Kool Aid a couple games a year and think they're better than they are. I will be at the game this Saturday and hope they do. In regards to Shane and Devin, I have to believe this is just a rest Devin situation and plan in case he can't go as the game goes on. I imagine Borges is planning a heavy dose of running with Devin since there's nothing to lose at this point in the season and that's been our best offense this season. If he runs that much, you have to be prepared in case he gets hurt, which would explain Morris's first team snaps. I hate to say it, but if the first team snaps really do mean Morris is planned at quarterback, I'm thinking it won't end well, especially given the O Line's issues.
Welp, I guess we know whose blood Kyle Kalis was talking about.
I don't want to say it's a worst nightmare situation if we win... But what if Borges has his Mike-Debord-at-a-bowl-game epiphany, starts calling all sorts of new shit that amounts to an entirely new offense, it works, we win, and we get stuck with this clown? Shit, what if they've been prepping Shane Morris all season long in some kind of fortress of solitude to learn said offense? Is that where Drew Dileo and Jeremy Jackson have been all this time?
Look deep into my eyes...
Would love that for two reasons. One, winning. And two, assuage my guilt over firing Borges, by all accounts, a good guy. Come on, it's the caterpillar turning into the butterfly.
great post, made me laugh, needed it. +100
As I have said before, I don't give a rats ass who coaches this team, so long as they give these guys the best chance to win. If Al can prove in this game that he knows what he's doing (and it's sustainable) and we actually win...then that's awesome. If a win means we keep borges than I'll take it. I would never hope for a UM loss just to further my hopes of AB getting the axe.
or throw the ball all over ND as a true frosh so can Shane. We did lose that game but we"found a QB" were in the headlines the next day. I am pretty sure it was the Rocket Ismial show with at least two kick returns (probably three) for TD's.Too much for the team to overcome sorry even though I was there I forgot the year (90's) also Lou Holtz was the coach. Sorry, I was really high during the 90's. EDIT 1989 2 kick returns source wiki
Only problem is MIchigan's offensive line in 1989 was leaps and bounds above the current one.
If Shane Morris is the QB of the future, you may as well play him. OSU tossed true freshman Braxton Miller into the fire with a horrible team and offensive line and he put up similar numbers to 2013 Devin Gardner. If Garder is hurt, could Shane Morris be that much worse? And if he is, is he the answer in 2015+?
Your offensive line wasn't this terrible. I mean it wasn't great but it wasn't this bad either. I Post suspensions I think a decent offensive chunk returned right? Morris woud be a pinata out there for your defense unless we get a good running game going and Borges calls a lot of quick passes that allow Morris to get rid of the ball quickly and let Gallon, Dileo, and others get in space and pick up chunks.
True enough, but even Miller admits that playing his freshman year without a lot of coaching on fundamentals really hurt him. He didn't come to OSU with a refined throwing motion like Morris, but was far more mobile and able to run for his life, extend plays and make things happen.
Miller was confused a lot of the time during his freshman year and lived by one rule: when confused, run with the ball.
...and it wouldn't matter the way we're (not) blocking people right now.
There's no illegal contact rule 5 yards off the line of scrimmage in college.
I'm fine with Morris getting a LOT of snaps this week. Gardner's problems are with repetition or practice - it's with EXECUTION (Hoke-Speak). Practicing half of the snaps or less isn't going to hurt him anymore than what I've seen this month. DG needs one of those sports-shrinks during the off-season.
Morris should get a boatload of snaps during the bowl practices and Hoke needs to man-up enough to put him in the bowl game, like MSU did last year with Cook, if DG looks doomed.
The new OC (and Brandon better not accept the full staff coming back) should make it clear in '14 that the job is Morris' to lose.
p.s. maybe Hoke ISN'T that self-deceived and knows it'll be a blowout by late in the 3rd quarter and let Morris play in a full quarter of garbage time.
I like your optimism, but I really don't think we'll blow Ohio out. They're not all that bad.
based on what? Certainly not the few minutes he's been on the field. And, even when Gardner has been hurting, the coaches weren't confident enough to play him. At best, your position must be that he ain't Gardner. I simply don't believe Gardner is our 1st, 2nd or 3rd biggest problem on offense.
had only the Turf Monster not shown up to tackle him.
Bo started a freshman QB (Rich Hewlitt?). He got nicked up and was replaced by Wangler, who went on the great things. But at least it might give us a boost.
Still...DG is not likely to be much better next year anyway but he does deserve to start and give it a go for the crap he's dealt with under Borges, Funk, and the worst O-Line in the B1G since 1979 Northwestern.
Wangler started in 1979. Hewlett started the first two games of 1980 after Lawrence Taylor destroyed Wangs' knee on the Gator Bowl. Wangler started the rest of 1980 even with a terrible knee.
I don't remember why he came out, but two Wangler-to-Carter bombs were the big plays later in the game.
What Devin Gardner needs more than anything is a competent offensive line and a coherent offensive game plan. He won't need counseling if he gets those things.
I'm no football expert but read these posts and shake my head. DG's problems are directly related to his lack of blocking on the oline. Now he is tentative in every facet of his game, whether running or passing. Those things aren't going to change for Shane Morris either. What's worse is he isn't moblle like Gardner. He'll get killed.
Playing Shane Morris at this point would piss me off to know end because it would be the coaching staff saying the problems with this offense are related to him and not the pathetic coaching that has been going on.
It would say that Gardner's too dinged up to perform adequately.
There's no way he gets benched because of performance; it's possible he might not play because of injury. And if that decision would piss you off know end, I don't know what to say.
I'm not sure the problem is purely Devin. I think after "Turnoverpolaza" midseason he was coached to STOP THROWING INTERCEPTIONS NO MATTER WHAT by somebody. Like maybe the QB coach perhaps? And in doing so Borges completely fucked up his QB confidence.
And guess what happens when you start playing scared? You won't throw into tight windows and you will wait to make 100% your reciever is absolutely open before releasing the ball. In short, exactly what we're seeing out of Devin right now. That, and I'm sure he is way more injured than they let on. And it's the injury that would account for the Morris reps (if true) this week.
I think you nailed it. Over-correction by Devin. But its probably due to a combination of coaching instruction and his own perfectionism. To put his constraining over-correction squarely on the coaches is to look for an easy scapegoat.
Agreed. I dont' know. I'm sure my confirmation bias is at work here as there's not much negative regarding our offense I wont' ascribe to Al right now. This included.
But it very well could be just Devin as you say - I have no way of knowing.
is that he's watching the rush. I can't say that I blame him too much, I would be too, after MSU and Nebraska.. However, that problem, in itself, is leading to more sacks because he is not loooking downfield and releasing the ball.
You may well have a point about the qb coach, I don't know what's been said. My impression is that he isn't, necessarily, refusing to throw to tight windows, it's that he has been too tentative to throw the ball at all.
It's also quite plain that he's really pretty injured out there, and that obviously is playing a role in this. Where he was athletic enough to get out of some of these situations early in the year, he cannot now.
If you remove his athleticsm, Devin is a pretty ordinary BiG quarterback, if you ask me. If that ordinary quarterback is afraid to throw the ball (for whatever reason) he can't do much for you. To me this has been more a problem for the last 2 or 3 games than offensive line play. The line was poor, but not horrible agains NW and Iowa, and Gardner still looked tentative.
Two-step drops, crossing routes to Dileo, Hayes, whoever. Neither Gardner nor Morris will have time to survey the field for his receiver of choice before lauching a 30-yard strike. Between blitzes and Ohio's D-line behemoths the time either M QB will have to find his target and deliver the ball will be measured in nanoseconds. To whoever's in there, best of luck.
And one more thing . . . is it written in stone that Gardner will return for another year? The consensus is that he will, but even if that's true does he have a lock on the starting QB positon? I suspect the competition will be a lot more open than anyone thought at the beginning of this season.
He will definately be back. Right now, he has no chance at the NFL (which is where he has stated he wants to go). Only if he returns does he have that chance. Returning offers a good test for himself - if he cannot win the starting qb position here next year, then he probably should look for another career.
If he really wants to play in the NFL, I'd suggest a move back to WR during the offseason.
Sorry, but this is really short-sighted. Gardner has the physical attributes of a current trend in NFL QBs. He also has the physical talent. He needs to get his mind there. And, perhaps most of all, he needs to work behind a competent OL. His mental mistakes and issues cannot be separated, at this piont, from the incompetent play of his OL.
Yes they can. The kid hasn't been the same since the Akron game. Those mistakes were squarely on him.
Do you mean the current trend of read run QB's that have been getting hurt OR the ones that think with their feet and have trouble staying in the pocket to actually see the field and complete a pass OR have never produced a QB that has won a Super Bowl.? Great trend!!
You need to differentiate spotting a trend from a judgment of its actual value as a trend. Thanks for signing up today to make such a valuable contribution.
Thanks for your brilliant observation that someone should play QB because of a trend....SMH
Have you ever gone on the job market? Have you ever heard of the fact that people consider how their attributes and experience might fit with certain openings when looking for a job? And that people look to trends in openings when looking at their attributes and building their resumes? What is your suggested job that Devin look for?
Gallon, Funchess, and Chesson are all far better receivers than Devin now.
that if they were inclined to spead it out and go 4 wide, Devin would be the next choice (I don't see that tomorrow, but maybe next year some). I guess Norfleet and Justice would also be options, but they're not going up to catch high balls like the other guys.
Does he wear #98?
DG's good (not great; needs to learn his fundamentals) when he's limited to a brainfart or 2 a game. However, last 4 games teams have spotted him in their own 10 yardline and he can't move the team. Loved the TD pass to AJ Williams last week. Typically scramble to the edge, ran out of room, looked up and luckily saw him standing there. Sure, let's put in Shane - He might do better or worse, but we really have nothing to lose at this point.
I dont get these "we dont have anything to lose at this point" statements. This is Michigan football playing Ohio State. We have a great deal to lose. How does any Michigan fan not get that?
The point they are making is that we have no production on offense to lose. Look at the second half drive summaries against IOWA. 6 yards of offense until the final drive where your Hero Devin fumbled the ball for the loss.
I mean... it's hard to do worse than 6 yards and a turnover. We aren't gonna win with that anyway. So there is nothing being lost by trying Morris. At worst it has no effect on whether or not we win.
What exaclty has he done that shows he'll be better than Devin Gardner?
Devin Gardner was a 4 star prospect ranked number 1 in his class. He kicked ass at the Nike Elite Eleven, and had a lot of praise from Winfield and the Mannings this past summer.
Shane Morris was a 4 star prospect ranked number 4 in his class. He struggled to get to the Elite Eleven, and did not have the greatest season his senior year. In the games he has played in this year, he has a lower completion percentage than Devin, and YPC is pretty much the same. And then there is game experience (remember Bellomy).
The point is, Shane is a totally unknown entity over Devin Gardner. Can Shane be The Guy, sure ... but right now Devin Gardner is our best chance to win. As far as next year is concerned, they should compete for the starting position (bet Gardner wins it), and we need them both at QB for depth reasons.
That said, in 2007, I thought Ryan Mallet was our better chance to beat Ohio State over an obviously one armed Chad Henne. (My Buckeye friends were worried when Mallet went in, and then couldn't figure out why we went back to an ineffective Henne.)
If Devin is that hurt, then maybe a few series with Morris in the game to see if we can get something rolling is the way to go.
Nothing, he looks scared to me. I'm sure once he gets behind that line again it will be tough. Best of luck to the kid. Go Blue as always. Hoping for the best , prepared for the pain.
are you talking about?
I don't think he will start personally, but if he did, it wouldn't surprise me. It has been an offense based on gimmicks for three years and this would be yet another one.
Idiots are sprouting up everywhere!
My favorite asinine assertion is that, "DG most likely won't get any better next year anyway." Yeah because NO QB ever improves after their first full season as a starter behind a young OL. Never ever has a kid actually learned from his mistakes and come back for his 5th year as a better QB. Might as well just ship him off to the glue factory!
God bless America so many of the posters in here a pathetic fatalistic wusses. How about the guy that said he hopes the offense plays so bad Hoke will have no choice to fire Bores, then later says that he hope we win. C'mon man!
Sounds like you just disagree and your'e basic argument is that those that disagree w/ you are "asinine." That's weak.
Whether Devin learns from his mistakes or not going into next season, we do know that he hasn't learned over the past year and a half. While he's cut down on turnovers, he too quick to leave the pocket, doesn't get rid of the ball or terminate plays when necessary, doesn't go thru his progressions, etc. What's the probabiliyt he learns all that and changes his bad habits before next and last season? Given that this season is shot, if Morris is capable, I say play him and lets move forward w/ the offense that the coaches want to run. Borges has already dumbed it down due to inabilty to execute.
You're right about one thing, there sure are a lot of pathetic fatalistic wusses on here lately. I have assumed that comes from the same type of kittenesque attituted Brian comes here with every single day (edit -- make that days when he's here and not shopping for Kitty Kollars at Walmart).
PS. I don't think DaytonBlue's comment warranted yours, and he's at least partially right about Devin's failure to throw the ball away.
We have saw zero, i say again zero qb improvement over the last 3 years. There is little to no evidence that will change. Denard and Devin have both regressed under Al.
Gardner was magnificient against a ferocious ND rush. (Do you think our O-Line somehow had a good game?)
From then all subsequent D-Coordinators knew our weakness.
QBs normally play best when the O-Line is a sieve and the D-Coordinator can count on it as he plans his coverages.
As a 40-something lifelong Buckeye fan and long-time lurker on this board, I can honestly say that I want both teams to be completely healthy and playing at their very best going into The Game. No excuses, no stupid penalties, no bad calls or controversial anything - just line 'em up, play hard and clean, and may the better team win.
Urban Meyer, being Satan and all, has already cast a hex on Michigan. That naturally makes this game lopsided.
I agree with your logic here. The great thing about this game is that the team that has supposed to win has lost many times. The old "throw out the record" thing can be true. That said, I have serious concerns about tomorrow.
Having grown up in Ohio, it's nice to see a level-headed Buckeye fan. Both fan bases have their share of idiots.
Who knows, maybe he will be better at the short passing game then Gardner has been.
You know, needing to play soft in case the O-Line holds for a normal protection.
This is great strategy. This game is meaningless. Save Gardner for the Big Ten championship game when everything is on the line.
What ? We aren't in the BTCG? How did that happen?
...we're gonna save him for that crucially important Heart of Dallas Bowl (also known as the FortWorthless Bowl).
Michigan will be ending up in the Gator Bowl.
Thanks for fact-checking. We'll return to our ancillary meltdowns on other topics.
I would have hated to see a murder on the field had Morris tried to run this broken-down offense against OSU. At leat Gardner could conceivably get out of the way.
I'm not sure where else to inquire about this, but I've heard a few unfounded rumblings...
Good to see we're holding up the ol' standards around here.