Rumor: SI set to release latest Buckeye findings on 5/31
Columbus radio reports that SI will launch their newest round of missiles at OSU a week from today. In true Buckeye fashion, the radio personality said that SI was 'saluvating' over the article. I guess the guy covering the story is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist.
It will probably be some of the stuff that we covered on here last week. But apparently there is new dirt on Tressel going back to his YSU days. It's about both Tressel and players, and there is a pretty thorough history of this 'thing', whatever it is. Popcorn sales in Michigan are peaking right about now...
As much as I also hate the idea that the rivalry won't be level because of what might happen to them, when you consider what our players, our senior classes, had to go through on the field, entire classes losing to them without ever winning...and now it is coming out that they cheated in more ways than we thought in January (thought, not dreamed), their punishment should be harsh, very very harsh. They robbed our players of at least knowing they were beaten in a fair fight.
They have spat on the most fundamental of rules, and all the things that make college football better than pro. This is nauseating. While 'St. Tress' is a great in-game coach, if only 1/4 of this is true, he is a lowlife hypocrite and coward. I'm sure a few people at Youngstown think that of him already.
Interesting to see the spectre of federal crimes being raised.
We've got what are, at best, unsubstantiated rumors about allegations. While I definitely want OSU to be punished appropriately for any rules violations they have actually committed, and do believe at least some have been committed, I also don't really wish on them the witch hunt we endured last year. So let's get a little perspective.
Some of these allegations seem pretty wild to me, like players selling drugs with the coach's knowledge. On the other hand, players selling drugs without the coach's knowledge, or being insufficiently punished when caught, seem more plausible.
Ted Ginn Sr. getting money to funnel recruits...from whom? From OSU itself? Seems severely unlikely. From a booster? More plausible. But that's a different level of violation, especially if it turns out Tressel didn't know about it. And to be honest, I have a hard time seeing him knowing about pay-to-play. I could see him willfully turning a blind eye, though, a la Pete Carroll.
I've always felt the problems at OSU would end resembling the ones at USC a couple years back, anyways.
What is the difference between Tressel knowing about the pay-to-play and willfully turning a blind eye? He still would know what is going on wouldn't he?
I am starting to think that OSU was looking for a yes-man when they fired Cooper back in 2000 and they got exactly what they wanted in Tressel. He looks and acts squeaky -clean to the public, but he's as slimy as they come behind closed doors.
Both would indeed constitute violations, and would invite penalties, but I think we're talking different orders of penalty here. On the one hand, you have USC-level violations. On the other, you have something far exceeding that.
Like I said, I anticipate OSU will end up implicated to roughly the same degree as USC was. I think the penalties will follow as well, a 2-year postseason ban, vacated wins and a reduction in the number of scholarships offered for several years.
Will this be enough to run Tressel out of town? Maybe. But we also know how Smith and Gee feel about him, so I'm not sure.
Not saying it's impossible for the violations to go deeper, even far deeper. I just think we're all collectively feeding a rumor mill at the moment.
Don't forget, the athletic department at tSIO is "on probation" for the major infraction of paying cash to a basketball player (under O'Brien Regime).
If any other sports program is found to have committed the SAME violation within the probationary period, then... that is qualification for the Death Penalty.
It's exactly how & why SMU got Death -- boosters paying players when they were already on probation for exactly the same thing.
Add in the prostitution, and there is a moral impetus to give tSIO Death. Of course, Delaney and the BTN would go apoplectic, it would completely ruin their financial plans for the conference.
By the way -- while it's just rumors about an unpublished article, there is smoke here. There was a posted SI story recently about a recruit going up to tSIO and, at a party, he was told to pick any girl there and she'd do him. And he did, and she did. It was chalked up to, well, tSIO must have a bunch of loose, horny coeds who like helping out the school. But, isn't is MORE credible that the girls there were PAID? So that part of the rumors seems completely legit, based on the one recruit's experience. (He wasn't a 5*, as I recall, so he wasn't getting the king's treatment -- he was probably getting "the usual.")
but that isn't going to happen. You are seriously an idiot if you think it will. You clearly know nothing of the SMU case and/or are just completely blind to your own fandom. Whichever it is...yeah, you're wrong.
What's hard to believe about a man who apparently remained silent about wrongdoing, maintaining eligibility for players who would otherwise would have faced suspension and who (allegedly) allowed his administration to misrepresent the school's knowledge? All that remains to be seen his how deep and wide the deception has been but as others have pointed out their history is dotted with evidence of a major underlying problem.
Why does it take an SI investigative reporter to find out Tressel was paying players, Ginn Sr was on the payroll, players were selling drugs, and recruits were getting special favors? I mean, WTF?
The same question could be asked of Watergate--the real one. Corruption is a problem in any democratic society, and sometimes journalists gets to rip the lid off of some ugly, rotten can of worms.
NCAA investigation staff for YEARS has been describes as understaffed. They are running from fire to fire -- not looking at just smoke.
When you have minimal resources, you go where you think the most likely violations are occurring. With Tress's squeeky reputation and tSIO's massive number of self-reported secondary violations, there probably was just no momentum to go investigation tSIO.
Really, the best single finger-pointing about this was leveled by ... Maurice Clarett. It's like Ron Artest complaining about the refereeing in a game -- he might be right, but, odds are he's not. However, in hindsight, Maurice might have been a complete Loser but maybe he was dead honest!
Someone really doesn't know how to consider opposing opinions. I posted above that we shouldn't rush to conclusions, and that I feel at least some of these allegations are far-fetched. If an individual on this board thinks that's flamebait, then that's just idiotic.
Has this board degenerated to the point where opposing opinions are immediately negged just because someone doesn't agree with them? I sure hope not.
Flamebait is trying to get a rise out of people for the purpose of seeing people get angry or upset. It's NOT offering detailed opinions on serious topics.
I justflamebaited you for bitching about being flamebaited.
But don't you agree it's all a little ridiculous? Discussion and differing opinions are healthy.
This has been going on at MGoBlog for a long, long time, unfortunately.
It's been going on here, at work, home, church, city hall, and every single public forum/message board since the beginning of time.
If I thought someone had posted a totally assinine response that I did not agree with - neg
If they posted something I didn't agree with - no vote
If they posted a contrary opinion, and supported in a way that made a good counterpoint for consideration - plus 1
We need to get the modifiers right. Maybe adding:
strongly agree
good counter point
don't agree but OK
you sir are an ass
There also needs to be a "WTF?" option. Just my two cents.
I give someone "flamebait" when it's really deserved, i.e. when a comment is designed to elicit an emotional--often angry--response that serves no other purpose than to deliberately tick off others. I give someone "trolling" when they purposely drag conversation way off topic, or otherwise purposely annoy, attack or taunt others.
If I don't agree with someone, and they're doing none of these things, then I either respond to them or I move on and keep reading. Differences of opinion are GOOD for a message board. Otherwise it becomes a boring, trite place.
This guy says it aint heppening. Who to believe?
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/exclusive-pulitzer-prize-winner-tailing-buckeyes-29715
"From talking to someone today who has intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the editorial operation at Sports Illustrated, I can confirm that Torgensen has something in common with Dohrmann: the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist doesn’t know what his story will be about either.
Because it hasn’t been written. Nor has the decision been made by Dohrmann to write such a piece. Or by Sports Illustrated to publish it.
Yes, Dohrmann has been in Columbus chasing down leads but no, there are zero immediate plans for a story from him about Ohio State football to be published in Sports Illustrated."
They have more journalistic integrity than The Freep. They have been "chasing leads down" but have not yet decided to publish because, either:
A) Someone at SI is an OSU slappy (unlikely)
B) They can't get 2nd and 3rd sources to confirm what they've been told (more likely).
Without a corroborating source, it's conjecture and heresay. Publishing might well lead to a lawsuit, and they're not risking it.
this morning. However, I wouldn't be surprised if SI is keeping a lid on it -- especially from Brooks.
When you register for this site it does'nt require a blood sample to see what team you are a fan of. i wouldn't worry too much about getting negged
I'm not taking any of this seriously tho , as of right now it's all just rumors and speculations. Last week there where posts about something along these lines coming public in a day or 2 and just like the "rapture" it came and passed.
i hope the Ted Ginn Sr. rumors aren't true , if he pipelined players to OSU while being paid or not he helped a lot of young men out ( including former wolverines) by getting them off the street both literally and figuratively.
Going back to first page of comments people talking about the statute of limitations keeping OSU safe from violations committed in the past unless they fall under the exceptions.
That's not the way it works. Even in the bylaws it says......
32.6.3 Statute of Limitations. Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible
violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution
or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into
the matter.
That should have notified part is important. Even if it doesn't qualify as an exception (which it probably does) Ohio State can't find out about some violation then hide it from the NCAA for four years and then go HA! We gave tons of money to all those recruits and got away with it!
The "enforcement staff" would have just received notice and the four year rule would START then.
In short, Ohio State is screwed.
"going back to the first page of comments," this exact section was already discussed and placed on display by Erik_in_dayton.
I see you're new here. If you are discussing something specific like this you should make your comments on the first page by clicking on the reply box in Erik's post. It maintains the flow of the blog. This prevents bringing up the same discussion numerous times in a single thread.
Flow of the blog? I didn't realize we were writing a research paper here.
I thought doing reply was dumb when there were already 200 comments. If you were going to check the thread again you're only going to look at the end for the new comments and not in the beginning or middle (like I just did).
Next time I guess I'll just keep the correct information to myself.
Maybe outside of the Horseshoe OSU can erect a statue of the statute of limitations.
ok someone posted this
" One of the hosts knows a guy at SI who relayed this to him in a cryptic fashion. The radio hosts agreed that this constituted a '9 out of 10' on the fear scale "
then BILG posted
"
FBI and IRS are digging around because of the financial and drug dealing implications...
The scandal will include
Pay for play (with Tressel's knowledge)
Players selling drugs
Girls paid to sleep with recruits and players
Ten Ginn's dad getting paid for years to funnel recruits
Similar allegations on the basketball team
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I don't know about you but on a scale from 1 to 10 on the fear scale these implications would be a 20! So i'm gonna call bullshit
In the link below, Dohrmann apparently provides a Twitter response to Brooks' denial of the SI report (cited by RedGreen and linked below). While it is admittedly cryptic, the tweet may suggest that Dohrman did not confirm his SI report because he did not
want to get "scooped". In support of this interpretation, Biddle--a supposed "journalist" on Bucknuts-- appears to have recently confirmed the upcoming article.
Also, contrary to Brooks' suggestion that OSU would sue SI, I suspect that OSU would be foolish to do so, as that would invite further inquiry into their program in court---which could be far more powerful than an NCAA investigation.
In any case, I suppose we'll all find out the truth about the article next week.
http://twitter.com/#!/georgedohrmann/status/73386128421552128
http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/2011/5/24/2188792/sports-illustrated-s…
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/exclusive-pulitzer-prize-winner-tailing-buckeyes-29715
"To hell with Tressel"