Where did this guy hear that rumor? Any other details on the source of this information? Just curious; obviously there wouldn't be a link.
Rumor: SI set to release latest Buckeye findings on 5/31
One of the hosts knows a guy at SI who relayed this to him in a cryptic fashion. The radio hosts agreed that this constituted a '9 out of 10' on the fear scale. They weren't told exactly what it was, but emphasized that it is new stuff, and it goes way back.
I guess this journalist, who they gave by name (which I forget) lives in Minnesota, but has taken two trips to Columbus for research. They noted that there was fire here, not just smoke, or else this guy wouldn't bother investing so much time.
I, for one, would like to plan a wake for Wednesday.
If this is really old dirt can the NCAA pursue an investigation? What are the statue of limitations when it comes to things of this nature?
What I took from the segment is that it was an ongoing thing. I'm speculating, but I believe it is something within the 'statue' of limitations. I dunno if they have a podcast you all can listen to, and I'm a terrible investigative journalist myself, but I'm sure if you visit www.971thefan.com you can find something about it. It was on the 'Common Man and the Torg', about an hour into their show today.
32.6.3 Statute of Limitations. Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible
violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution
or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into
the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:
(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;
(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part
of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic
or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In
such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter
becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning
Note: I could not find this bylaw on NCAA.org but it was quoted exactly the same on two different websites/blogs, so take it FWIW.
the statute of limitations will prevent punishment for long ago violations. but if the COI is taking into account general character in determining the penalty for tressel, there's no statute of limitations for considering a history of shadiness.
So my 375 page opus on Ohio State using ringers from 1907-1909 isn't going to affect their program today? Shit...
I think the COI might take past trangressions by a person into account when determining whether or not to punish them individually. An institutional record might also be considered if the facts show the institution has been consistently commiting serious on-going violations.
Exceptions (b) and (c) leave open the possibility of punishment for the kind of transgressions rumored below even if they occurred outside of the four-year window. Whether those rumors are true is of course another story.
Also, Horace Prettyman wants to read your report. He's pissed.
The exceptions definitely leave the possibility open, but no one is going to get punished for something if none of the players, coaches, or administrators are still around. In other words, I really doubt that Boise State would get punished for massive violations during the Dirk Koetter era (1998-2000).
OSU boosters paying players in, say, 2003 could be included in (b) or (c). That was my only point.
If I am reading this right, if they find that tSIO lied during the Clarett investigation, and there was "blatant disregard," the statute of limitations might not apply, either. It would be really great if they had to vacate their tainted championship.
I was wondering about that as well. Doesn't seem like a school that lies to the authorities and tars a kid's reputation should get to hide behind the state of limitations . . .
About two weeks ago on another board, there was a thread complaining about an SI reporter nosing around Columbus. If this plays out well, I might just have to buy me an SI subscription as a thank you.
I think you mean a party.
In this case, I believe they are one and the same
It depends on who's attending.
Let's just call it an Irish Wake. Two birds, one stone and a 1/5th of Jamesons.
It's a party!
This is so rich it just has to be fattening.
Apparently this journalist's presence in Columbus has been well known among Buckeye-followers for awhile. Even the OSU message boards (Bucknuts, sec.) are resigned to the fact that something is coming out, though they think it's just about the housing issue, or so I'm told.
50 bucks to anyone who spends next Monday and Tuesday outside the OSU athletic offices with a sandwich-board and a bell, proclaiming that the end is nigh and pleading for sinners to repent.
"George Dohrmann is the last sportswriter to win the Pulitzer Prize. He earned journalism's top honor in 2000 while at the St. Paul Pioneer Press. The Pulitzer cited his "determined reporting, despite negative reader reaction, that revealed academic fraud in the men's basketball program at the University of Minnesota."
Looks like it's time to prepare Tressel's eugugoly...
I'm of the same mind. If Tressel leaves prior to next season, he'll retire with (I would guess) the all-time best record for an OSU coach against Michigan. I want to beat his ass on the field at least one more time.
However, if the rumored allegations about pay for play, sex for recruits, and player drug-dealing are actually part of the SI article, he's history before September.
that he's any better than .500 against Michigan, wasn't Woody around .500?
Tressel is 9-1, Hayes was 16-11.
Bo went 5-4-1 against Woody, including wins in their final three games ('76, '77 and '78). Actually, from Bo's arrival in 1969 until Tressel arrived in 2001, the rivalry significantly favored UM. Over that 32-year period, UM went 19-11-2. Even if you exclude the Cooper era, which UM dominated 10-2-1, the teams were dead even at 9-9-1 over the period. Given how quickly and sharply the rivalry tilted in OSU's favor after Tressel arrived at OSU, it's not crazy to wonder if Tressel's willingness to "bend" the rules played a role.
Woody built the majority of his wins against us when Michigan football was at it's lowest point. Well, the lowest point until RichRod came to town 40 years later. When Bo arrived, Woody went 4-5-1 against us. His record would have been 3-6-1 against us had the Mike Lantry (game winning) field goal been called correctly in 1974.
I agree, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Tressel bending the rules to get the rivalry turned around. And I would be even less surprised to find out that OSU knew about it for years and covered it up. But we'll probably never find that out since the school would be in even deeper sh*t if it were made public.
This is a school that hired John Cooper because his Arizona State team upset us in the 87 Rose Bowl. Their desperation to have any success over Michigan is the #1 priority and if they have to cheat to achieve that, so be it. Especially after what happened in the 90's.
Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes. That right there is the truth. Hollow victories for tOSU.
***I just hope that half of those "victories" have an asterix
If they are stripped of multiple seasons of wins his overall record would not be the same. So woody may be better on paper. Their fans however will insist that he was the greatest of all time, I'm sure. LMAO
Are you saying they will insist that Tressel is better than Woody? You'd be hard pressed to get an informed OSU fan to admit that. They love Woody here in Columbus, Tressel has just been the flavor of the decade. Woody will always be their man, much like Bo will always be ours.
If the NCAA violations stretch back far enough, they might have to vacate some or all of those wins against us.
I bet they were "saluvating."
Is that the same thing as a rusty trombone?
I believe it has something to do with Santorum.
and there are many favorite things, about this ongoing saga is that it all "hit the fan" while Tressel was out peddling his book teaching everyone to be ethical and moral like him. Funny stuff.
Wow. Them is some bold words you got there.
If you are right the shitstorm will be unprecedented.
I might need to come back in a week and print this post as proof that our MGoInsiders had the scoop a week ahead of time.
"Ted Ginn's dad getting paid for years to funnel recruits ..."...
Oh, that is just too good. Too good to be true.
but never has a big-time program had the FBI and IRS digging around like this.
Isn't that exactly what's going on with Auburn right now? I thought the FBI was investigating the alleged links between the school and illegal gambling money.
I recall reading somewhere about the FBI investigating political corruption in Alabama State. Some of the guys being investigated also happen to be Auburn boosters. Who also happen to own casinos. Who allegedly have fixed slot machines which were allegedly used to payoff political folks and hook up football players with cash.
Pretty crazy if true, but needs to be taken with enourmous grain of salt until the FBI actualy bags one of them.
My god. If those rumors are true Auburn (who's already on probation) is staring a loss of accredidation in the face. You can't have people on your Board involved in stuff like this.
I do love a scandal. A real scandal, not the bullshit we got caught up in over stretching.
I just took the time to read that TigerDroppings article for the first and thtat is some awesome stuff. That'll be movie one day if it proves to be true. And if it is true, Auburn doesn't have to worry about the death penalty, because their school will be reduced to a community college. The thing that immediately set of warning sirens for me was where the Colonial Bank Board of Directors is almost identical to the Board of Trustees for Auburn. Woooowee
Well, the FBI digging into Ed Martin certainly presented problems for us. Being able to subpoena really makes a difference.
There isn't enough popcorn in the world to enjoy that.
I'm confident you'd figure something out.
And a really big laser.
when I read this.
Holy crap if true.
Raback and BKFinest bow to your predictions. If you are right, you shall be showered with useless upvotes.
If you're wrong, though...
then you're just a guy on the internet making predictions, like the rest of us.
Ok, I understand Raback with the Demar Dorsey scoop and the legendary ensuing posbang. But wasn't BKFinest the dude who guaranteed Zettel was blue? How does he continue to get Raback cred?
there was NO WAY OSU could get Kyle Madsen without girls, drugs and money
OSU reports so many secondary violations. It made their compliance department look like they were doing a good job and kept the NCAA from finding out what was really going on in Columbus.
If the thing about Ginn Sr. getting paid is true I feel sorry for all the Glenville kids who went to OSU. I wonder if this would effect their eligibility to play at OSU? Then again, if all this is true I expect the hammer to fall pretty hard and most of them to want to get out anyway.
if Ginn were paid, unless the Newton precedent does not hold. Recall that Newton's Dad was found to have soliticed bids for his son's services, but Cam was not touched because they couldn't prove that he knew Dad was soliciting bids.
it was never proven that his dad took any money from Auburn. It's easily assumed by a person with a 3rd grade education, but it was never proven. All that was proven is that Cam's Dad asked Miss (or Miss St, I can't remember) for money to send Cam there. The school said no, and Cam ended up at Auburn, but it hasn't (yet) come out that any money changed hands.
If it did and Cam was found innocent, then fine, but the coaches would be in serious trouble.
Also, Ginn Sr. is a HS coach and this cannot be legal for him or OSU.
Here bully, bully. Look at this red cape over here while I stick it to you!
They are about to get bent over and fucked mercilessly.
... I'm calling BS. I just can't believe that something so pervasive has been kept quiet this well. With the IRS and FBI involved, someone would have leaked the details a whole lot earlier.
Clarrett threw out some bombshell's but OSU did a great job of painting him as some crazy kid saying things to get revenge.
Hawk and Mangold had $3000 cash stolen from their apartment. It's pretty common for most college kids to have 3K in cash lying around in their apartment, right?
Troy Smith was suspended for taking money from a booster.
OSU has had a few players kicked off the team for drugs - I think one was a punter who was dealing but then somehow got back on the team, I could be wrong. Another was a highly regarded running back.
When tatgate broke, Pittman tweeted/texted that players had been getting hooked up there for years.
I don't necessarily think it's been quiet so much as OSU has done a heckuva deflecting investigations.
I think tosu is screwed because they didn't promote Tressel to AD like YSU. If he had complete control of the department he could have covered this mess up right like he did at that school. I'm new to this board so this may have been posted but check out this article if you haven't:
I live in the shadow of tosu and have to deal with the delusional fans of the Luckeyes. I STILL don't think they realize how bad this is going to be in the end. Hopefully some of their recruits (Dunn, please!!) are smarter than the fans and realize it's time to get out of Dodge.
When it comes to lows for tsio to sink to, I think they're in the Tyson Zone for me. If you told me Tressel and Pryror each did a line off a girl's ass to seal his recruitment, I'd buy it.
This would pretty much make my summer, if not the next several years.
that would have to warrant a quazi death sentance wouldn't it? Major stuff there.
I don't believe the NCAA will actually impose the death penalty on OSU, but just one more point of comparison, other than SMU:
Morehouse College soccer
In 2000, Morehouse's part-time soccer coach, Augustine Konneh, signed two Nigerian-born players to play for the Maroon Tigers even though they'd played professionally for the Atlanta Ruckus of the A-League two years earlier. Konneh had lobbied to get soccer elevated from intramural to varsity status in 1998. They also played a few games before they actually enrolled at the school. Even though the school's then-athletic director got word that the two players might have been ineligible, they were allowed to play in 2001 as well. Although Konneh was replaced as coach in 2001, numerous other violations—including a player being allowed to compete without proper paperwork—led Morehouse to cancel the 2003 season. In November 2003, the NCAA barred Morehouse from fielding a soccer team again until 2006. It also slapped Morehouse with five years' probation—tied for the longest probation ever. USA Today called it the harshest penalty ever handed down to a collegiate program. The NCAA came down particularly hard on Morehouse due to a lack of institutional control; for a time the athletic department didn't know the soccer program even existed. While this was Morehouse's first major infractions case ever, the NCAA felt compelled to impose the death penalty due to what it called "a complete failure" to keep the program in compliance. Soccer at Morehouse has since reverted to intramural status; school officials had planned to shutter varsity soccer for an indefinite period even before the NCAA acted.
It's not really that far off of some of the rumors about what's been happening at OSU. The biggest difference is that I don't think I've heard anyone claim that the OSU athletic director knew what was going on. But who knows what will come out next?
I find that amazing that the Athletic Department didn't know the team existed. They only seven other sports to watch over.
Morehouse AD: [to his wife] "Hey sweetie, what are you are your friends up to tonight?"
AD's Wife: "Oh we're going to go out and see a soccer game"
Morehouse AD: "Oh cool. What team?"
AD's Wife: "The Morehouse Maroon Tigers!!"
Morehouse AD: "Nice..nice.....wait a second...."
Guys, I have a confession.
Jim Tressel himself offered me sex during my recruiting visit. When I explained to him that I wasn't gay (not that there's anything wrong with that), he then offered me money... to have sex with him.
I probably should have come out with this earlier, but it is just difficult to talk about. I hope you understand.
.....which will result from this shitstorm, if true, will be visible from Tower Plaza, and it will be beautiful.
if that's all true (heck if even some of that is true), ohio state is going to get obliterated. Any one of those (with maybe the exception of players selling drugs) is a major major violation on its own
if this is true, i'm going to take that copy of SI, wrap it up and give it to my friend as my wedding gift to him in 2 weeks (he's walking in to the victors. I'd venture to guess that it will be his favorite gift)
Everybody pays their players, deals drugs, pimps out the coeds, and has the local powerhouse high school coach on the payroll. Oh, and murders people too. No biggie.
Wow!!! nice work I love it!!! I have been hearing the same thing but i did not want to say anything until someone else spoke on it!!
Opra should make this one of her "Coolest things ever"!
If half of that is true wow, just wow. I do, howeva, hope they only get neutered and not put down. It would really suck not to play them. We don't need another death penalty like SMU. That would blow.
I'll believe all of this when I see it. I know it's going to get ugly, but I have heard nothing of players dealing drugs. Just because Eddie Rife was indicted for doing such things doesn't mean players were. Explain exactly what "pay for play" means in this instance. Does this mean cash handshakes or they were receiving money on the regular like SMU players? I'm not discrediting you, I just have my doubts that all of this will be pulled out in this "scandal."
Just need to see it to believe it. It's like you parents telling you as a child you will be going to Disneyland at some point during the year but then not telling you when or with who. I'm just sitting back and being cautiously optimistic.
Should I start the OSU fan feedback in advance?
- Yawn. It happens at every school.
- Tressel wanted to protect his players. He has very high morals. Stop attacking him.
The last ones the best.
Also we should have a T-Shirt that says " I got recruited by Ohio State and all I got was this crummy T-Shirt".
I think that would be better as a bumper sticker. "I got recruited by Ohio State and all I got was this crummy car."
... with a beat up old car, and even funnier if it's a lexus.
I actually own a Lexus and have never in my life had any bumper sticker on any car I've ever had. But I do have vanity plates related to UM (Virginia plates) and a UM rim around the plates. I WOULD TOTALLY BUY THAT STICKER if Brian sold it. What a great way to rub it into OSU fans.
Seriously sell that. You will make bank.
That is great. I almost spit water all over my computer but it was totally worth it! That is an awesome idea.
if mgostore sold that, I'd buy it.
1. work out a cut with Brian
2. sell it
3. make the world a better place as a result
....5 of 'em. 4 for my family. 1 for my OSU-alum brother-in-law.
If this shizzle goes down as rumored, I'm making an immediate trip to the closest second-hand clothing store to buy myself a celebratory vest.
That is not enough popcorn!
It's not like SI drops a bomb on Columbus. Nooo, way better -- there are these leaks, tSIO fans are going to have sleepless nights knowing what is coming for a week. Whereas we UM fans wake up each morning to see who the latest 4* commit is to UM, those wearing the scarlet & gray wake up every day fearing what news is coming out to doom their team.
Whatever pain we endured for the last four years... well, payback's a beeeyatch, ain't it?
those wearing the scarlet & gray wake up every day fearing what news is coming out to doom their team.
This. It's like Ohio State lost a slap-bet.
SI investigation = Death Penalty
Freep investigation = Practice Gate
Tim better start getting the hello posts and goodbye tressel posts ready.
Please make it so where that program just burns to the ground. I will love to host a BBQ on OSU's campus as it burns to the ground and i see all the recruits from ohio wear Michigan apparell. Who's with me?!
I'm hanging in one of the libraries wearing one of my favorite Maize n Blue shirts. I've seen a few other brave souls donning their Michigan gear in the last few days. Talk about a ray of hope in an endless, terrible black sky.
On another note, when I got to the bus stop today (with shirt on), I was greeted by a frat brah wearing a shirt that said "Where Amazing Happens" and an arrow pointing down. Gosh, these people sure value education.
wait what library, at osu? help me understand this
If I were SI, I would break it into a 3-part series and release the parts on June 1, July 1 and August 1. But that's just me.
we didn't really wanna know how bad these fucks are gonna get it. I can't wait to talk sooooo much shit to all these shitty ass suckeye fans. All these years they've been beating us, no wonder. Scum!
Which this was coming out Friday, just in time for the visits of Mr Stanford and Man-Beast Washington.
They should just bring Dunn with them so we can complete the massive implosion in Ohio.
The way everything seems to be going down, Tressel is gonna be the scapegoat for this whole ordeal. I wouldn't be surprised if OSU keeps him around for the season to get out all the dirt, and let him fall on his sword for the entire mess. I'm hoping there will be some pretty severe penalties to let Michigan clean up recruiting wise over the next 2 years, but I'm starting to get the feeling that OSU itself may get off light on this thing.
Tressel's a lot of things. Scapegoat isn't one of them.
i predicted this months ago. they must wait for all the sewage to surface. then tress takes the fall for all of it.
now if they can just figure away to make him the fall guy for basketball too...
A woman from Ohio I work with has a sister who works for OSU academically and also knows a couple people in the athletic dept. She told me she'd get the "straight story" during a visit in March. Came back saying Tress was the fall guy for higher-ups, which in the context of tatgate sounded like a load of "poor Tress" crap to me and I dismissed it. Recent events make me wonder if they're onto something. This kind of mess reeks of boosters gone wild and trustees turning a blind eye, if even half-true. Wow.
I believe that, along with the mess of the Jim O'Brien situation is the only reason Tressel is still employed. The longer he's there, the more OSU can blame on him, and in a desparate attempt to keep his job, Tressel will accept responsibility and distract the investigation from what really goes on in the athletic department at tOSU.
Wasn't George Dohrmann the same writer who wrote about college players being paid? I think Santonio Holmes was mentioned in that article.
I think that was written by the actual Agent paying players, I could be wrong though.
Love as always, Gordon and Gene
You forgot the "P.S. Please don't fire us LOL!" at the end.
Raise your hand if you would like to see Tressel perform seppuku at midfield of the Big House this November while the Blue Angels fly above and U-M and the NCAA laughs heartily while wringing their hands. Also fireworks.
As long as none of his blood taints our soil, I'm fine with that.
Oh no, there'll be a tarp to collect it all. Then that tarp can be burned and the ashes can be sucked up by a vacuum cleaner which will then be thrown in a dumpster.
All during halftime. With more fireworks.
The best part about that scenario is that it would be seen by everyone in the Big House in glorious Hi-Definition on UM's new Godzillatron scoreboards.
Bucknuts is in complete meltdown mode. All rationality is gone. It's actually quite amusing.
Wait, I have to pay money to read Bucknuts? I have to give someone my Visa card number to read someone's misspelled, inane speculation? How could this business model NOT work?
Bucknuts is the only blog a lot of osu fans know about, and it's been in the public consciousness since the 1990s.
But, but, but...
I'm really curious what's being said.
However the thread about stroebel being a silent "SCUM" commit is open for your pleasure. Source is rcmb though.
Where else can you so much entertainment for so little cash.
If all this turns out to be even partly true, I won't just be gleeful. I'll be pissed off. OSU's recruiting has been so good for so long that I wondered if some sort of crap was going on. Think about all the losses to them under Tressel. In how many of those games did they have obviously superior talent? Easily more than half. To think that they acquired that talent by cheating is infuriating. You can vacate the record books, etc., but you can't take away how it felt to endure those losses. F*#k them for doing that to us! I wish I believed in hell.
... but I wonder what the record is for vacated games.
We should totally use a new term I just came up with for situations like this: "Ohiostatenfreude"
We need this new term.
Brilliant marketing by a news outfit that is struggling to stay relevant in this day and age.
Do a search on twitter for "Tressel" word is spreading like wild fire.
story that Yahoo was hinting at earlier this year? - My gut says no as I don't think they would let SI "scoop" them.
Side note: If the B-Ball team is hit also it is a shame that Sullinger et. al. decided to stay another year - if they had come out maybe Darius' stock would have dropped and he'd be back in Maize next year. --
See, I don't want this shit to be true. I'm sure as hell not laughing. If the rumors turn out to be true, it will further taint one of the greatest rivalries in sports history. This rivalry is part of what defines our program, and if these rumors are true, I will be exceptionally angry at OSU for ruining it, and incredibly sad that it is ruined. The key to a great rivalry is respect, not hatred, and I have respected OSU for quite some time, no matter how much I hate them.
Will I be happy if they lose? Absolutely. But I will not be happy if they collapse.
Loss of depth for scholarship reduction, national perception kicked in the nuts, record books altered, coach fired, bowl ban, YES.
With the money and resources they have I still expect them to have talent and 8 wins a year, minimum, forever.
can only be good when both teams are competitive. If half of what has been alleged against Tressel and OSU is true they have been cheating all decade. Michigan isn't going to cheat to compete with OSU so it's high time Tressel and they got their come uppance. I would like to beat Tressel and OSU as much as anybody but if it's one-sided because they are filthy cheaters I don't mind seeing them get nuked for a while. The rivalry will be great again when both teams are great and both teams are clean. That clearly isn't happening under Tressel. Bombs away.
Agreed. The rivalry has been lopsided for the better part of a decade, and up until 6 months ago or so, I thought it was simply that OSU was putting out better teams than us, and nothing more. Now that I know they got those better teams by cheating (excessively), I want to see them burn.
The rivalry was just as lopsided our way in the 90's. It hasn't been balanced since the 80s
In 1993, 1995 and 1996 they were undefeated going into the game and we had at least three losses going into it, but we pulled off the win each time.That had a lot to do with the series being so one-sided in the nineties.
That, and they were pretty far down at the end of the eighties.
I don't think OSU's program could ever be destroyed on the level of SMU. Kids in Ohio still grow up loving OSU and when the penalties end, they're still the only real BCS school in Ohio (sorry Cinci). Maybe they'll suck like crazy for a while, but they'll recover
SMU also decided to deemphasize footballl significantly to prevent a repeat. That's not happening at OSU--they've got an enormous athletic department that needs funding.
If OSU goes in the crapper? What happens to our rivalry?
In two words, it's called:
(1) Nebraska (2) Cornhuskers
That's the rivalry waiting to explode. F--- tSIO. tSIO will have proven they are NOT WORTHY of being our rival. I want a rival I can respect, someone squeeky clean who is a monster beast of a program. I'm hoping NU (YTNU) (???) goes 11-1 every year with us being the 1.
- Rivalries like M/OSU come and go all the time.
- Remember all of those legendary Michigan players out of Nebraska? I can't believe we snagged Mr. Nebraska, Charles Woodson, to come win the Heisman here.
- The geography makes a ton of sense for a rivalry.
- Why have a rival you've shared a conference with since 1912 and have played 107 times when you can replace them with a conference member for zero years, with an amazing five games between them.
- Nebraska is clean and always has been. We can emphatically say that there was never any steroid use going on in the 1980's. On top of that, it's not like they would have gained an on-field advantage like tattoos give.
However, imagine a rivarly re-filled with "hatred" on our side because of the beat downs we took during their cheating ways, and back on a level - integrity based - playing field after a few years of rebuilding on our part, and a few years of sanctions on their part ... it could lead to a Renaissance.
Also, other than the last three years, and the one-armed-Henne game, I can't really say they had that much of a competitive advantage from those cheating ways.
Christmas was in may! Ho ho ho, mother fu**ers.
Triple post and no apology? So very ungoblog of you.
I do apologize, I just noticed this gross ignorance on my part. Again, I am sorry
Christmas was in may! Ho ho ho, mother fu**ers.
I use to want Tressel to still coach so that we could turn the tide on him, now I'm just enjoying the pigroast.
Christmas was in may! Ho ho ho, mother fu**ers.
"Yeah, but we got family values..."
Two Borens stuck in the middle of this nightmare.
Are much lower than Kelly blue book values.
Give us more. All this will explode come 08-12-11 & what happens after that. The next 2 + months will be very interesting. Can't wait for any new Herbstreit's comments on the mighty osu football program !
Cell phone picture of a facebook picture.
If by strangest you mean bestest way to post a pic of a pic in a thread.
What I can't understand is how they have just 1 National Championship in that time. Either the SEC is just way better at cheating, or there are still some student athletes who play for the love of the game rather than money or sex.
lots of really good football playes come out of that region
That is the case, for sure, but with so many SEC schools competing for them down there, plus out of regioners such as USC, OSU, Texas, and Oklahoma coming in and getting a few every year, you'd think that that wouldn't matter as much.
And many of the kids that are good and stay in SEC country hold offers from OSU and have visited, meaning they either turned down the money to play at another school, or that school is offering more.
I just read the TigerDroppings topic on potential Auburn Apocolyptic-Mega-Violations and I'm starting to believe that one day the FBI and NCAA will come out and erase half of the NCAA football records and hand the death penalty to the entire SEC (except Mississippi State apparently)
Isn't MSU always tripping over themselves?
To obtain elite talent, I'd rather be 0-12. This disgusts me, especially when you have kids out there that would walk on, just ro have the chance to walk out there in the winged helmet.
This is what you get when you crack open a buckeye. looks like a butt t me.
I just dont want to see Urban Meyer take over in Columbus. If Tressel is released soon then Meyer would be out of the picture because of the recent exit from Florida.
Lets for a moment assume that some more major allegations do surface next week from this SI report. If allegations of this magnitude stick then there is really no way to think that Tressel would be able to be retained by Gee. The question to the board is WHO is the next coach?????
If this is true, Gee is gone too.
But I think that they will learn from our RR saga and pick fickell, their hoke.
It's too early for Meyer to return, and he's not going to leave retirement for a program riddled with sanctions anyways.
If Tressel does get the boot this year, they'll likely pick a very solid, unspectacular, bean-counting, squeaky-clean true believer.
If Fickell is not implicated in whatever causes Tressel to hypothetically leave, he's one of the prime candidates. If not, they'll have to look elsewhere. So who?
Darrell Hazell is another possibility. Though he was on the program until recently, he was away for the Tatgate shenanigans. Has most of the upside of Fickell too.
I know some OSU bloggers are suggesting Dantonio, which would be funny in some ways, and not in others. He had no compunction leaving Cincinnati for MSU, so I doubt loyalty would be a factor.
But for some reason I just don't buy it, not in a hateful way, but healthily skeptical. Something tells me that he has enjoyed a few one time only occurrences this past year- um falling apart, no osu, a solid staff of coaches in place who have now left (Enos, treadwAy). His star will never be this bright again.
If any of that is true, no way is Urban Meyer going to coach in Columbus. OSU would be sanctioned beyond recognition and I don't think Urban is interested in a 10 year rebuilding project
That's my birthday! What a great birthday present :D
with AD Gene Smith, clueless, and head of the BB tournament selection committee, how bad could this go? The NCAA has to be careful with this. If it find Smith was in on all this, how credible will he and his selections committees look when all is said and done? This could really hur the B1G as well.
So OSU getting burnt to the ground may not be the best thing, but I will still enjoy watching them burn.
As much as I also hate the idea that the rivalry won't be level because of what might happen to them, when you consider what our players, our senior classes, had to go through on the field, entire classes losing to them without ever winning...and now it is coming out that they cheated in more ways than we thought in January (thought, not dreamed), their punishment should be harsh, very very harsh. They robbed our players of at least knowing they were beaten in a fair fight.
They have spat on the most fundamental of rules, and all the things that make college football better than pro. This is nauseating. While 'St. Tress' is a great in-game coach, if only 1/4 of this is true, he is a lowlife hypocrite and coward. I'm sure a few people at Youngstown think that of him already.
Interesting to see the spectre of federal crimes being raised.
We've got what are, at best, unsubstantiated rumors about allegations. While I definitely want OSU to be punished appropriately for any rules violations they have actually committed, and do believe at least some have been committed, I also don't really wish on them the witch hunt we endured last year. So let's get a little perspective.
Some of these allegations seem pretty wild to me, like players selling drugs with the coach's knowledge. On the other hand, players selling drugs without the coach's knowledge, or being insufficiently punished when caught, seem more plausible.
Ted Ginn Sr. getting money to funnel recruits...from whom? From OSU itself? Seems severely unlikely. From a booster? More plausible. But that's a different level of violation, especially if it turns out Tressel didn't know about it. And to be honest, I have a hard time seeing him knowing about pay-to-play. I could see him willfully turning a blind eye, though, a la Pete Carroll.
I've always felt the problems at OSU would end resembling the ones at USC a couple years back, anyways.
What is the difference between Tressel knowing about the pay-to-play and willfully turning a blind eye? He still would know what is going on wouldn't he?
I am starting to think that OSU was looking for a yes-man when they fired Cooper back in 2000 and they got exactly what they wanted in Tressel. He looks and acts squeaky -clean to the public, but he's as slimy as they come behind closed doors.
Both would indeed constitute violations, and would invite penalties, but I think we're talking different orders of penalty here. On the one hand, you have USC-level violations. On the other, you have something far exceeding that.
Like I said, I anticipate OSU will end up implicated to roughly the same degree as USC was. I think the penalties will follow as well, a 2-year postseason ban, vacated wins and a reduction in the number of scholarships offered for several years.
Will this be enough to run Tressel out of town? Maybe. But we also know how Smith and Gee feel about him, so I'm not sure.
Not saying it's impossible for the violations to go deeper, even far deeper. I just think we're all collectively feeding a rumor mill at the moment.
Don't forget, the athletic department at tSIO is "on probation" for the major infraction of paying cash to a basketball player (under O'Brien Regime).
If any other sports program is found to have committed the SAME violation within the probationary period, then... that is qualification for the Death Penalty.
It's exactly how & why SMU got Death -- boosters paying players when they were already on probation for exactly the same thing.
Add in the prostitution, and there is a moral impetus to give tSIO Death. Of course, Delaney and the BTN would go apoplectic, it would completely ruin their financial plans for the conference.
By the way -- while it's just rumors about an unpublished article, there is smoke here. There was a posted SI story recently about a recruit going up to tSIO and, at a party, he was told to pick any girl there and she'd do him. And he did, and she did. It was chalked up to, well, tSIO must have a bunch of loose, horny coeds who like helping out the school. But, isn't is MORE credible that the girls there were PAID? So that part of the rumors seems completely legit, based on the one recruit's experience. (He wasn't a 5*, as I recall, so he wasn't getting the king's treatment -- he was probably getting "the usual.")
What's hard to believe about a man who apparently remained silent about wrongdoing, maintaining eligibility for players who would otherwise would have faced suspension and who (allegedly) allowed his administration to misrepresent the school's knowledge? All that remains to be seen his how deep and wide the deception has been but as others have pointed out their history is dotted with evidence of a major underlying problem.
Why does it take an SI investigative reporter to find out Tressel was paying players, Ginn Sr was on the payroll, players were selling drugs, and recruits were getting special favors? I mean, WTF?
The same question could be asked of Watergate--the real one. Corruption is a problem in any democratic society, and sometimes journalists gets to rip the lid off of some ugly, rotten can of worms.
NCAA investigation staff for YEARS has been describes as understaffed. They are running from fire to fire -- not looking at just smoke.
When you have minimal resources, you go where you think the most likely violations are occurring. With Tress's squeeky reputation and tSIO's massive number of self-reported secondary violations, there probably was just no momentum to go investigation tSIO.
Really, the best single finger-pointing about this was leveled by ... Maurice Clarett. It's like Ron Artest complaining about the refereeing in a game -- he might be right, but, odds are he's not. However, in hindsight, Maurice might have been a complete Loser but maybe he was dead honest!
Someone really doesn't know how to consider opposing opinions. I posted above that we shouldn't rush to conclusions, and that I feel at least some of these allegations are far-fetched. If an individual on this board thinks that's flamebait, then that's just idiotic.
Has this board degenerated to the point where opposing opinions are immediately negged just because someone doesn't agree with them? I sure hope not.
Flamebait is trying to get a rise out of people for the purpose of seeing people get angry or upset. It's NOT offering detailed opinions on serious topics.
I justflamebaited you for bitching about being flamebaited.
But don't you agree it's all a little ridiculous? Discussion and differing opinions are healthy.
and sometimes frustrates me, preventing me from posting. Usually when it's an insightful, nonflame post that I know someone who disagrees with some nuance just swept through mass negging. It's partly frustrating because I've never really had a disagreement with a Michigan fan in person, so it makes me wonder why, on here, we all have to wear masks and then pretend we're not friends.
This has been going on at MGoBlog for a long, long time, unfortunately.
It's been going on here, at work, home, church, city hall, and every single public forum/message board since the beginning of time.
If I thought someone had posted a totally assinine response that I did not agree with - neg
If they posted something I didn't agree with - no vote
If they posted a contrary opinion, and supported in a way that made a good counterpoint for consideration - plus 1
We need to get the modifiers right. Maybe adding:
good counter point
don't agree but OK
you sir are an ass
There also needs to be a "WTF?" option. Just my two cents.
I give someone "flamebait" when it's really deserved, i.e. when a comment is designed to elicit an emotional--often angry--response that serves no other purpose than to deliberately tick off others. I give someone "trolling" when they purposely drag conversation way off topic, or otherwise purposely annoy, attack or taunt others.
If I don't agree with someone, and they're doing none of these things, then I either respond to them or I move on and keep reading. Differences of opinion are GOOD for a message board. Otherwise it becomes a boring, trite place.
This guy says it aint heppening. Who to believe?
"From talking to someone today who has intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the editorial operation at Sports Illustrated, I can confirm that Torgensen has something in common with Dohrmann: the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist doesn’t know what his story will be about either.
Because it hasn’t been written. Nor has the decision been made by Dohrmann to write such a piece. Or by Sports Illustrated to publish it.
Yes, Dohrmann has been in Columbus chasing down leads but no, there are zero immediate plans for a story from him about Ohio State football to be published in Sports Illustrated."
They have more journalistic integrity than The Freep. They have been "chasing leads down" but have not yet decided to publish because, either:
A) Someone at SI is an OSU slappy (unlikely)
B) They can't get 2nd and 3rd sources to confirm what they've been told (more likely).
Without a corroborating source, it's conjecture and heresay. Publishing might well lead to a lawsuit, and they're not risking it.
this morning. However, I wouldn't be surprised if SI is keeping a lid on it -- especially from Brooks.
Going back to first page of comments people talking about the statute of limitations keeping OSU safe from violations committed in the past unless they fall under the exceptions.
That's not the way it works. Even in the bylaws it says......
32.6.3 Statute of Limitations. Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible
violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution
or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into
That should have notified part is important. Even if it doesn't qualify as an exception (which it probably does) Ohio State can't find out about some violation then hide it from the NCAA for four years and then go HA! We gave tons of money to all those recruits and got away with it!
The "enforcement staff" would have just received notice and the four year rule would START then.
In short, Ohio State is screwed.
"going back to the first page of comments," this exact section was already discussed and placed on display by Erik_in_dayton.
I see you're new here. If you are discussing something specific like this you should make your comments on the first page by clicking on the reply box in Erik's post. It maintains the flow of the blog. This prevents bringing up the same discussion numerous times in a single thread.
Flow of the blog? I didn't realize we were writing a research paper here.
I thought doing reply was dumb when there were already 200 comments. If you were going to check the thread again you're only going to look at the end for the new comments and not in the beginning or middle (like I just did).
Next time I guess I'll just keep the correct information to myself.
Maybe outside of the Horseshoe OSU can erect a statue of the statute of limitations.
In the link below, Dohrmann apparently provides a Twitter response to Brooks' denial of the SI report (cited by RedGreen and linked below). While it is admittedly cryptic, the tweet may suggest that Dohrman did not confirm his SI report because he did not
want to get "scooped". In support of this interpretation, Biddle--a supposed "journalist" on Bucknuts-- appears to have recently confirmed the upcoming article.
Also, contrary to Brooks' suggestion that OSU would sue SI, I suspect that OSU would be foolish to do so, as that would invite further inquiry into their program in court---which could be far more powerful than an NCAA investigation.
In any case, I suppose we'll all find out the truth about the article next week.
"To hell with Tressel"