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June 10th, 2011 at 9:59 PM | If Kiel commits, does Morris (Score:0 Redundant)
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If Kiel commits, does Morris stick with U of M? I hope so.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:02 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:-1 Normal)
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I hope so too, but I just really doubt it. Would make me sad because it's a shame to lose out on such a great local kid. I also feel like Morris just may be a better prospect in the end as well.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:07 PM | Umm..no (Score:3 Normal)
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Morris explicitly said he knows they're going after another quarterback and he relishes the opportunity for competition. I'm under the impression that he doesn't care who we get because it will make him a better athlete and player. On my droid so I can't link but it was in his 'Hello' post.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:14 PM | Right plus (Score:1 Normal)
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Denard, Denard/Gardner, Gunnar/Gardner, Gunnar, Morris, Morris, Morris. I see no problem.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:24 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1 Normal)
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I really hope this is correct, but it's a really freaking long time until Morris' signing day. No matter what he says around the time we misses on our top QB target, by the time it comes to sign he could easily change his tune, and I wouldn't blame him. No matter how much he loves UM, a prospect like him has an eye on the NFL (as would anyone), and possibly only one year of starting soley will hurt him. I would love to get both, as it would be best for our team, but I just don't think it's unreasonable to think he would go somewhere else if we land Kiel and not a more middling QB.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | (Score:1 Normal)
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Tell that to John David Booty. If you are good enough the scouts will see you. There are always guys they overlook but they wont just forget about you because you sat a few years behind a (hopefully) very successful NFL caliber player.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:36 PM | (Score:1)
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Oops dreaded repost. apparently double clicked on the droid. apologies all.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | (Score:1)
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Tell that to John David Booty. If you are good enough the scouts will see you. There are always guys they overlook but they wont just forget about you because you sat a few years behind a (hopefully) very successful NFL caliber player.

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:46 PM | Booty? (Score:2 Normal)
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He started a few years at USC. He is high on the list for schoole records there. I think you are confusing him with Matt Cassel.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:48 PM | (Score:1)
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Yes. Thank you. 12 hour day at work brain fart...

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:53 PM | i think (Score:5 Normal)
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You just wanted to say booty.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:50 PM | QB trivia time ? (Score:1)
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Brad Johnson did not win the starting job at Florida State, yet he won the Super Bowl . . . 

(back when FSU had that dynasty going, of course)

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:48 PM | Also, look at Dayne Crist at (Score:1)
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Also, look at Dayne Crist at ND.  He was the #2 QB in his class and a 5 star and he was only one year behind Jimmah Clausen who was the #1 overall recruit.  Jimmah didn't redshirt, then went pro after 3 years, and since Crist redshirted, he has 3 years of post-Clausen eligibility. 

A very similar situation could happen with Kiel and Morris.  I doubt Kiel redshirts, and if Morris does, he would have at least 2 years after Kiel leaves, maybe more if Kiel leaves early.  Mark Sanchez only started for one year and he was the second QB taken in the NFL draft.  I highly doubt this would affect Morris.

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June 11th, 2011 at 12:12 AM | With Denard and DG definitely (Score:1)
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With Denard and DG definitely ahead of him and maybe Bellomy why wouldn't Kiel RS?

Galileo was also chastised.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | You may honestly feel that (Score:3 Underrated)
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You may honestly feel that way but posts like these do nothing but stir up trouble.  Morris is a Michigan fan and it would take a great deal to change his mind.  This was discussed with the coaches and Morris seems to be fine with a 2012 QB.  All of this has been discussed.  Why do we insist on the "OMG, Morris is going to decommit just because UM recruits a QB not in his class?"

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June 11th, 2011 at 6:24 AM | He went worked out against (Score:3 Normal)
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He went worked out against Gunner at 2 camps and took the MVP at one of them, and is a year younger to boot. How scared of Gunner Kiel do you really think he is?  Why do you think Michigan mysteriously fell off the radar at that camp weekend to begin with?

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | of course he does (Score:1)
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life long michigan fan, we were his first major offer, goes to a bunch of the games every year, and has already started recruiting for this and his own class. plus he isnt taking visits. highly doubtful he decommits

But sir, but sir, BUT NOTHING

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:05 PM | Yes. He was told very clearly (Score:1)
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Yes. He was told very clearly when he committed that the staff wanted to bring in another top tier 2011 quarterback. He doesn't plan on going anywhere.

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June 11th, 2011 at 5:22 AM | Yes. (Score:1)
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This was a topic of discussion prior to his commit. Hoke informed him that we plan on taking a QB every year and see situation similar to Brady-Henson. I highly doubt a lifelong Michigan fan who committed this early would be scared by competition, especially after dominating the Elite 11.

EDIT: Maize and big beat me to the punch. Also, Shane Morris addresses the potential of Gunner committing to Michigan in the following article: http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2011/06/michigan_commit_shane_morris_c.html

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | Morris and Kiel (Score:1 Flamebait)
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Assuming everyone works out and no busts, from the players' perspectives, it seems that it wouldn't make sense for Michigan to have both Kiel and Morris come in back to back.  With Gardner, Kiel, and Morris, at least one of them would get stuck only one year (eligibility-wise) behind the guy penciled in ahead of them on the depth chart. 

If Kiel doesn't get redshirted, he has to beat out Gardner to have more than one year as the starter.  If Kiel gets redshirted, Morris would have to beat out Kiel to get more than one year logged as the starter.  These guys seem high profile enough to likely expect more than just one year as a starter. 

Russell Bellomy is also in the competition, so it seems like things would be awfully crowded.  I would love to have this problem, but i think it is unlikely that Michigan could land, and keep, both Kiel and Morris. 

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:22 PM | It's amazing how short-term (Score:2 Informative)
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It's amazing how short-term some of these kids' memories seem to be.  We just witnessed Cam Newton come off a dream year with a national championship, Heisman, and #1 NFL draft pick status, with his success based off just one season.  If we keep getting solid recruiting classes and the coaching/scheme change works out, they could perform magic in their one season as a starter.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:39 PM | Exactly.  It seems that the (Score:4 Normal)
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Exactly.  It seems that the people most afraid of QB competition are MGoPosters.  If you are good enough for the NFL, you will play at Michigan and scouts will find you.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:24 PM | I'd argue that that's not (Score:2 Normal)
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I'd argue that that's not Michigan's problem.  The best will play.  I think all of those kids are secure enough in themselves and their skills to be believe that that'll be them.  I know Morris has explicitly stated he's not afraid of competition.  Big-name programs land talented athletes back-to-back all the time.  Having quality competition only makes you better.  Plus, as we saw last year, multiple QBs is never a bad idea.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | Critical Mass... (Score:3 Informative)
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This class is going nuclear.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:16 PM | how many scholarships are we planning to use (Score:1)
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Currently 19 officially avaliable 

16 commits
2 more DT
Atleast 2 more OL
1 QB (its gunner or no one IMO)
1 WR
NO RB unless hes a real stud (Brionte,Marshall)
1 DB (praying its jarrod wilson)
1 DE (assuming chris woremly and we'd take two if washington picks us)
 

I'm saying we take between 22-24 this class...Dont be suprised if a couple players aren't asked to come back for 2012

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | Can't we (Score:1)
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take a few more if they enroll early?  Of course there's the 85 cap, but that goes toward your comment about some players not coming back.

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:33 PM | Strobel is enrolling early, (Score:1)
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Strobel is enrolling early, if I recall correctly from his Hello post.

EDIT: I lied, it's Magnuson, and he has apparently only "mentioned enrolling early".  But it'd be great if we could persuade him to do so.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

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June 11th, 2011 at 12:09 AM | Spot On (Score:3 Normal)
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I think this is spot on for the most part...

We have 18 available without attrition. Assuming T-Rob and Cox don't get 5th years that leaves us at 20, plus normal attrition (3-4) gives us 23 or 24.

1 QB (Kiel plz)

1 WR (Stanford or Burbridge)

2 OL (Diamond and 1 of the Wash kids either Garnett or Banner)

2 DT (Pipkins and 1 of Day, Shittu, Jones, or Jaleel Johnson)

1 DE (Wormley or Washington)

1 S (Shumate or Wilson)

That puts us at 24. If Kiel goes elsewhere we try to grab Dunn or Marshall or Greg Garmon and skip a QB this time around.



 

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June 11th, 2011 at 1:31 AM | my bad (Score:1)
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it is 18 thx for the clarification...scouts offically reported 19 a couple of days ago but i think they made a mistake. Shaping up to be an awesome class!

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June 11th, 2011 at 1:13 PM | i think cox and the rb (Score:1)
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i think cox and the rb position is the wild card for us getting the max amount of open spots.  if cox plays his way into the starting spot and keeps it for the year then he will obviously get a 5th year.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:24 PM | A few of the bottom feeders (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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from the prior regimes recruiting efforts will most certainly not be asked back. Why occupy spots with replacement level players suited for a different system when you are amidst building potentially the best top to bottom class in the history of the school?

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:45 PM | Nick. (Score:2 Normal)
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June 10th, 2011 at 11:29 PM | bottom feeders? (Score:5 Normal)
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Worst. Post. Ever.

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June 11th, 2011 at 12:18 AM | He could mean by not asking (Score:0 Overrated)
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He could mean by not asking back some potential 5th year players.

Galileo was also chastised.

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June 11th, 2011 at 11:16 AM | Methinks (Score:3 Normal)
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People were objecting to his assertion that those Redshirt Juniors were "bottom feeders," both because (a) it is ridiculously derogatory and insulting to kids we have no reason to believe are anything but stand-up, (b) those 'bottom feeders' include some damn fine football players (Patrick Omameh? Roy Roundtree?), and (c) [see signature line below]

I am being Twitters

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June 11th, 2011 at 1:49 PM | Yes, bottomfeeders (Score:-1 Flamebait)
OverTheTop
Joined: 05/20/2011
MGoPoints: 90

i.e. players that don't contribute anything whatsoever to the football team in terms of on the field production. This isn't peewee football,  if you don't contribute, you should step aside for someone who does. 

"Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?"

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June 11th, 2011 at 2:25 PM | Nick Saban approves of this (Score:1)
wlubd
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Nick Saban approves of this statement. Bobby Petrino co-signs. Houston Nutt also in favour.

Twitter

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:58 PM | Nick Saban? Is that you? (Score:2 Normal)
MichNukeEng
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Nick Saban? Is that you?

Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.

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June 11th, 2011 at 12:33 PM | you are a douche (Score:0)
gte896u
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June 10th, 2011 at 10:25 PM | He's going blue (Score:2 Normal)
MGoCooper
Joined: 04/21/2011
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Because RJS threatened to kill him......on the football field.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:32 PM | Wouldn't be surprised (Score:3 Normal)
GoBlueX2
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RJS does seem to like to say "Go Blue or Die"

My dad played for Woody Hayes, and therefore I am a Michigan fan.

No matter what, I will graduate with a degree from U of M one day.

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June 10th, 2011 at 10:42 PM | He is going to Indiana. (Score:1 Trolling)
phork
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He is going to Indiana.

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:21 PM | Ondre's Twitter (Score:1)
h625
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OT from Gunner but still. I didn't see this anywhere, but Ondre Pipken's just tweeted his top five:

 

PeeWee9456 ondre pipkins 
 
Illinios, minnesota, northern illinois, southern illinois, saginaw valley state university top 5 #BOOM
 
Then followed it up with this:
 
PeeWee9456 ondre pipkins 
 
TWEET YOU TOMORROW act TOMORROW #goooooBLUE
 
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June 10th, 2011 at 11:25 PM | Wow.  Had to clickt hrough to (Score:1)
Lets_Go_Blue
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Wow.  Had to clickt hrough to verify.  More good news coming tomorrow?

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

     -Johnny Danbury (umichedme.blogspot.com)

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:28 PM | Hilariously random Top 5.  (Score:1)
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Hilariously random Top 5.  Especially SVSU.

The inclusion of "Go Blue" is fantastic, though.  I'd love to get this kid.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:40 PM | But none of those schools' (Score:1)
h625
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But none of those schools' colors are blue...

hmmmmmmm....

 
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June 11th, 2011 at 12:05 AM | "SVSU's official colors, red (Score:2 Normal)
ButlerGoBlue
Joined: 05/07/2011
MGoPoints: 21

"SVSU's official colors, red and blue, provide a distinguished richness and vibrant energy to the image of SVSU. The SVSU logo should always be shown in these hues of red and/or blue (the logo may also appear in black or white). These colors should be applied with the proper mix of colors to produce accurate representations of each color.  "

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:26 PM | wont be reading into that Go (Score:1)
WolverineJet
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wont be reading into that Go Blue tag have seen that and have been lead to failure before.

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June 10th, 2011 at 11:26 PM | I hope he keeps 4 of those (Score:2)
Ron Swanson
Joined: 07/17/2009
MGoPoints: 479

I hope he keeps 4 of those schools in his top 5

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June 11th, 2011 at 12:05 AM | Does anyone know when he's (Score:1)
Fox14
Joined: 06/03/2011
MGoPoints: 41

Does anyone know when he's going to announce then?

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