doesn't necessarily imply I like the number-switching. It should be something special, to be used sparingly.
Rumor: Gardner to wear Ol 98
Commence purely opinion based arguments on history and This Is Michigan and Hoke does/does not get it.
Much of the grumbling has been that Gardner isn't a captain but being handed the second most infamous jersey (thanks Braylon).
Famous not infamous!
infamous: having a reputation of the worst kind : notoriously evil <aninfamous traitor>
Why is 98 "infamous"?
hey look - it's a male plane!
They are infamous.
"Later on, you can kiss me on the veranda."
"Lips are fine."
Have heard this was something decided before the season but ND circled due to history of final game and to tap the Legacy/memorable events button.
I didn't realize that was even a legal number for a QB. Not a fan of these legends jersey things at all.
According to NCAA rule book, Rule 1 Section 4 Article 1 recommends numbering as follows for offensive players;
Otherwise all player must be numbered 1–99, the NCAA makes no stipulation on defensive players. Two players may also share the same number though they may not play during the same down.
Then why are Defensive Ends wearing single digit numbers? Our own Henry Poggi is #7. Clowney wears #7, and ND's Big Louis Nix wears #1.
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TIGHT Ends. Those were all offensive positions. =/
Technically WRs are also "Ends" in the NCAA rulebook nomenclature.
Otherwise all player must be numbered 1–99, the NCAA makes no stipulation on defensive players.
>Two players may also share the same number though they may not play during the same down.
Unless you are ND and it's for a game winning FG for the opponents that would have been switched first down if this rule were applied.
I thought I had heard that the NCAA rule basically says something about its "strongly recommended" that certain positions where certain numbers. I thought there was some wiggleroom that would let this happen.
It is recommended but they don't have to. The NFL is way more strict with their numbers, which is dumb IMO, as I don't see what the big deal is about a quarterback donning a number higher than nineteen. If a player, no matter the position, wants to wear, say, 67, let him. I mean who really cares which number a guy wears? I never understood the "that's a weird number for <insert position>" argument.
This is stupid. It's not just about Gardner wearing 98, it is just the fact that number 98 should never be worn. Ever.
Why retire jerseys? I don't understand it. Does have someone wearing a jersey diminish the accomplishments of Harmon? Saying you could wear the 1 jersey is a recruiting tool, why not number 98? This isn't meant as an attack I just don't understand how having a new star player wear a jersey diminishes a players legacy.
Dude drop it, if his son is fine with it you should be too.
retiring jerseys is dumb to begin with. Gardner deserves it.
What makes 98 more special than the other jerseys that were retired and brought back into circulation?
Not sure it is more special, but I'd say here are some reasons why people might feel that it is:
- arguably best and most versatile player in M history
- first Heisman trophy winner for UM
- Scored every point vs OSU in 1940 and received a standing ovation for his performance. In Columbus.
- ran away from the whole Cal team, then stiff armed a drunk Cal fan at the three yard line before waltzing into the end zone
- inspired a feature film title "Harmon of Michigan"
- enlisted in the Army Air Corps in WW II. Plane shot down over South America, an he walked to Dutch Guiana and rejoined the war effort. Then his P-38 was shot down over Japanese occupied China. He survived and received both a Purple Heart and the Silver Star for his efforts, and his parachute was used as material for his wife's wedding dress
In short, amazing football player and a great American.
I really don't care. While there are things that would annoy me:
----Renaming Michigan Stadium "Domino's Field"
----Get rid of the marching band
----Playing Don't Stop Belivein' during an important 4th quarter drive (oh wait, they do do that)
....this just doesn't get me all riled up. Maybe my bar is set too high on the annoyance/outrageometer, but for me a number doesn't represent anything, and the sharing of numbers diminishes neither the accomplishments of those who wore it before nor the achievements of those wearing it now.
Hoke can do whatever he wants. He has assembled a super young, but super talented team. He has recruited extremely well and is building a program that WILL WIN a national championship. Of the current 115 players on the team, 81 are 1st or 2nd year players. That will translate to championships once those players are all seasoned.
Whatever Hoke decides, I support 110%.
81 players are underclassmen?
That is something the media would probably really like to talk about.
Since this was started, I have thought they should just give the numbers out normally to the freshmen with the expectation that if you don't live up to the number in terms of character and leadership then the number can be taken away.
Like Tate's wings?
It's true all I can say
Don't say it, PROVE it....
It would have made sense for them to have #12 jersey in authentic and premier varieties but they haven't. Maybe they knew the jersey 98 would go to Gardner and didn't want to piss off people by dropping that big money on a jersey that would be changed that soon after the season starts.
I bought my 1 and a half year old son a number 12 jersey before the 1st game, and would be bummed if Gardner switched to 98. I guess I'm the sucker they're trying to get go out and get the 98 also. Sigh.
I'm hearing rumbles that they come out in long sleeves and BROWN helmets tonight after warm-ups.
It would be nice to see Gardner win a big game first before giving him a Legends number. I think that this will put too much pressure on Devin tonight. He will be pressing to make something happen that will probably lead to a back breaking int.
Since when does wearing a jersey put more pressure on you? Unless the jersey is 2 sizes too small I'm going to guess he'll have the same amount of pressure he would have had wearing the #12 jersey.
I don't care about the pressure, but more the fact that legends numbers should only be given to deserving recipients. I love Gardner, but honestly what has he really accomplished so far?
I blame the Freep.
This whole thing is idiotic.
Couldn't agree with you more.
I think people who care about jerseys are idiotic.
You whine a LOT
I agree with others that having guys switch jerseys during the season is annoying but still, I think the idea of a QB wearing 98 is pretty cool.
I am all for Gardner wearing 98 for TWO seasons.
This I do not care about. Once you make the decision to unretire numbers to honor them in this way (which I think is relatively cool!), give it to someone really just establishing himself as a star (hopefully!). It's just when you change a senior's jersey who has already established himself as a semi-legend that I get annoyed. :cough: Kovacs.
I like the idea of a QB wearing 98.
He's the most like Tom Harmon on this team
Who cares? It's football.
I think the whole reassigning numbers in the name of Marketing business is awful ghey...
That I said, I can't deny it would be kind of cool to see DG pull off a huge game wearing Ol' 98
is just a rumor.
The starting QB should always be #69. QB recruits would love that! We would sign any QB we want.
jersey numbers. Who gets 77 next year?
remember everyone said he's fat and slow so were moving him to tackle.
The main problem I have with legends jerseys is not that it is a novel idea or a potential honor for the players but what happens when a player wants to stick with his number? We have at least four of these jerseys now? You keep swapping numbers to legends long enough and eventually you will have a player that wants to turn it down.
We all can thank Braylon Edwards and the saga centered around the #1 jersey for giving the athletic department the idea for the legends jerseys.
One final point, the legends jersey is a gimmick to push Michigan jersey sales. Few people will buy a jersey that has Tom Harmon with the #98. Millions will buy a Devon Garner jersey with #98 on the back and lets charge a little bit more because its a "legends jersey."
I would buy a Harmon jersey.
I have a #10 Tom Brady jersey I got in 1999. To me THAT'S a legends jersey. Not a gimmicky new #98 with a special 'uniformz' styling and being sold for $150.
Devon Garner. Lulz.
Thanks for being a douche.
Yes, I could see this jersey selling with a modern Michigan players name on it.
I know a lot of the mgoblog posters would buy a Harmon jersey with Harmon's name on it but we are a small percentage of the total fanbase.
I see two post critiquing my spelling Devon Gardner and my hyperbole regarding the sale of jersies but ignoring the main points.
Ohio is a populous state.
I hate the legends jersey numbers thing, it makes no sense to me. But, for one game, I think this is pretty awesome.
Lets just play football and win.
Who is the player on this team that is most like "ole 98"???
I can't think of anybody that'd be a better pick than Devin Gardner.
Are we still rehashing this topic?
YYAAAAYYY!!! I am really excited to see him run out of the tunnel wearing 98. I only see this is a definite positive. (Including added Heisman attention)
Just wanted to add that I've been saying it would be him in about every thread about the topic.
Why would this add to any Heisman hype? Very few people outside Ann Arbor even know who Tom Harmon was.
...had Harmon #16 on their list of greatest college football players ever, just behind John Elway and just ahead of Bronko Nagurski, Jim Brown and Dick Butkus. Those are names that people know.
I don't live in Ann Arbor and I honestly don't know a single college football fan that doesn't know who Tom Harmon was. Maybe my friends and I are just old....
I said attention not hype. It wont make him have better numbers but itll add to the media attention about the number, thus DG. And media attention is half the battle . Everyone is going to remember the QB that wears 98 even if they don't remember his name. Nomsayin'?
I can see the College GameDay special about it now ... especially in a big win tonight.
if we are doing #98 (we are) then there is no other player Id rather see wearing it than Devin. He is electric, charasmstic, a team playker, leader, and a Michigan Man. AND it would be FUCKING AWESOME to see a QB with that #. The only one in the country for sure.
This will totally confuse Notre Dame for the whole game.
you people care too much about jerseys. get a life and have another beer.
You'd post this more often. You've been silent on the topic
Devin is NOT wearing 98....Espn just showed him coming down tunnel in his #12 jersey
disregard last post lol