Rudock Hate

Submitted by KRK on

I'm and old MGoBlogger.  I'm still an advocate for Haloscan.  I loved the WLA and posted a few things there.  I think RR was a great hire that just didn't pan out.  When I graduated from college this blog switched to Drupal and it was harder to post, the community changed and I found myself with a job that kept me too busy to post.  This blog is great, the community is too.  There's posters that aren't amazing and have horrible opinions but it's so much better than when I was here and we just handle-jacked each other all day.  It's been a rough 8 year for those of us who are still around and I remember watching UM football as a person old enough to think "this isn't what I watched as a kid".  I'm 30 years old now.  And I watch Rudock and think "this is so nice....he doesn't lose every game".  I read Bacon's book and everyone of Devin Gardner's stat lines included two picks.  I loved Devin and think he was such a great player who just was in the right place at the wrong time.  But Rudock is so much less talented and so much more solid than he is.  

Please stop saying "if he could throw a deep ball we'd be a top 10 team".

Please stop saying "if we had a real QB we could be Ohio State"

Please stop forgetting that most people thought 8-4 was a good season this year.

This team has performed exactly as expected.  Rudock may have more picks than expected but those are mainly from the first game and that was just a better team.  He and this team will be good, not great.  I'm excited too but let's not act like this team are defending national champs returning 22 starters.  They are basically what everyone expected.  2-1 with a winnable game against a good BYU team.  They've improved and have a chance to be competitve against everyone they play.  

Hate Rudock if you want but don't act like it's been better around here the past 7 years.  

 

 

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samdrussBLUE

September 19th, 2015 at 11:53 PM ^

Rudock deserves some hate. That said, 8-4 is what I expected and that can still be achieved with his current level of play, but it would make it easier if he could play better than average/mediocre



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KRK

September 20th, 2015 at 12:36 AM ^

Both were amazing but wasted by poor coaching. Denied was so talented they were forced to use some of his talent but poor damn Devin wasn't. It could have been worse but it can always be worse. I can't imagine what the last seven years would have been without them but it's tough to say that their careers from a team performance stand point were more than mediocre.



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Wendyk5

September 20th, 2015 at 12:32 AM ^

I don't think we are mediocre or will be. Rudock might be our achilles heel, playing decently in some games, but making mistakes in others. But with improvement everywhere else, I think Harbaugh will figure out how to work around the deficits. I think we'll fare well in most games - not win them all but I don't think we'll break down like we did last year. We'll play competently. 

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AlbanyBlue

September 19th, 2015 at 11:54 PM ^

That's too strong an emotion. It's more like frustration, as in, "why can't we have nice things?"

Also, it's highly unlikely Michigan gets to 8-4 with this level of QB play. It'll be 8-9 in the box all season.

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SysMark

September 20th, 2015 at 12:07 AM ^

My sense is he just needs to settle down with his timing.  He's never going to be a world beater but if he can get the timing/accuracy down a little better big plays are there for the taking.  For now every defense we face is going to be loading up against the run and receivers are getting open.

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Steve Breaston…

September 20th, 2015 at 12:07 AM ^

Are you Jake's mom? We're sorry some people are picking on him. You waiting outside the stadium 15 minutes early in the Caravan to pick him up isn't helping. We'll be nicer fans if you promise to let him wear the super soft jammies tonight.



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DreDay66

September 20th, 2015 at 12:16 AM ^

He's not good. At all. I don't think anyone actually hates Jake, but he has not been good. Like others have mentioned, he was expected to be a game manager and not make mistakes. He looks VERY mistake-prone so far this season.

I'm just going to sit back and trust Harbaugh, but I have been very unimpressed with Rudock thus far.

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MichiganMAN47

September 20th, 2015 at 12:16 AM ^

He is good at avoiding sacks. He has been pretty good at making decisions. He is not going to light up the stat sheet, but with a good running game he might be good enough to win the Big Ten. Today was not his best game, but that happens to every quarterback at some point. He will connect on some of these deep passes. He has had so many close misses that it's bound to happen. Let's see how he does against BYU, Maryland and NW before we get overly negative.

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DreDay66

September 20th, 2015 at 12:22 AM ^

Might be good enough to win the B1G? Absolutely not. 

He can't throw a pass over 10 yards. The run game is good but when MSU and OSU (who already have great defensive fronts) stack the box he's going to have to be on point, which he hasn't been all year.

I hope he turns it around but he has been awful. Like I said before though, I'll just let Harbaugh do his thing.

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FGB

September 20th, 2015 at 12:18 AM ^

Aside from the strawman about some groundswell of folks thinking this is a top 10 team with a good QB, is the narrative that being 30 gives a lot more historial perspective than the newbies now who didn't go through the Horror.  But if you were 35 you'd remember actual good MICH teams, if you were 45 you'd remember national champion MICH teams, and if you were 65 you'd remember years of domination and top 10 teams.

Your perspective on what is "good" and "refreshing" is only one, and there's a not so subtle subtext that you think you're wiser and more reasonable than the other posters here for it.  I dare say that there are others with plenty of more longstanding fandom bona fides who disagree.

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KRK

September 20th, 2015 at 12:30 AM ^

Wiser?  No.  More reasonable.  Yes. 

That's not a stretch with some of the posters though.  My only point is that most Michigan football I can remember is not great so why we're all so upset over a win is beyond me.  The last 7 years has been rough and I don't understand why a 21 point win has some people so pissed at a mediocre QB who we thought would be mediocre.

Also, I remember the last national championship but I'd have to be 65 years old to have been born for the previous title.  So maybe I wasn't around for the Championship level teams but I was around for the last championship.

But you don't sound like an old snob at all.

 

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jimmyshi03

September 20th, 2015 at 12:58 AM ^

You remember a National Championship Michigan team. That had a game manager at quarterback. The older folks who remember peak Bo also didn't have a real live team up North, in Madison and certainly not in Evanston, let alone having perhaps the best coach in the country in Columbus. And a lot of people still feel badly for, example, for the way John Navarre was treated, which Rudock is only getting a taste of.

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nappa18

September 20th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

Both played on Sunday's. Griese especially had some notable success as a starter for Denver. Not hating on Rudock, he won't be drafted or even get a look by the NFL. Or Canada. Just a fact. It is an impressive accomplishment for anyone to start at QB in a P5 conference. That said, Rudock is a one year stopgap absent anyone else. That is all. Nick Sheridan 2.1. Be honest, Steven Threet threw the ball better.

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drzoidburg

September 20th, 2015 at 8:01 PM ^

A 25 year old could remember the national title team and plenty of top 10 teams. You don't have to remember Bo's first year to yearn for the good old days. We've had 6 lousy seasons the past 7 years, and one miserable loss the year before that, and that's it! A mere 9 years ago started 11-0 I was a student when they last beat ohio to win the conference outright. I distinctly recall the amount of hate directed at john navarre his whole career. The real meaningful difference in the team's success is he had *support*. The o-line, receivers, and RBs were all outstanding. That's simply not the case in 2015 and that's why this team isn't top 10. But even chad henne or henson or any of the greats from years past couldn't put up 30 points against good defenses with this year's o-line, receivers, and RBs. Not unless they get better fast

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definitelynotwiper

September 20th, 2015 at 12:35 AM ^

OP sucks, not real sure what your motivation is to post this, I AM sure that it's more than just "Rudock is Good Guise Derp".

the kid has 5 picks in 3 games. what he did last year AT ANOTHER SCHOOL has nothing to do with this year.

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StraightDave

September 20th, 2015 at 12:41 AM ^

The UM WRs absolutely stink and not a single one would make OSU's travel team.    You knew there was going to be problems when the biggest hype to come out of fall camp was Grant Perry.  A fricking three-star recruit with no major offers was the hope at the receiver position for UM. 

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StephenRKass

September 20th, 2015 at 12:40 AM ^

I trust in Harbaugh, along with trusting in Drevno and Fisch. They have seen all the QB's. They have made the call that Ruddock is the best option available. And it has been clear that they think he is CLEARLY better than Morris or Speight. Next year, with Morris, Speight, Korn, and Peters, we will see some incredible competition. This year, Harbaugh has done the best he can with the options available. If you recall, Harbaugh didn't offer Ruddock immediately . . . he did so after seeing what was here in the cupboard.

I also think there is NOTHING like game time to get timing and routes down a lot better. I guess I'm a glass half full kind of guy, but when I look at the passes that have been missed, you can see the potential, and what will happen once the timing and the accuracy are improved a bit.

As I look at the schedule, I think that Michigan has three more games (BYU, Maryland, and Northwestern) with which to work on accuracy and routes and timing. I hope that time is used well, so that Michigan can at least compete against MSU.

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Lampuki

September 20th, 2015 at 12:41 AM ^

Short memories here. Devin Gardner and Denard threw 5 and 6 int per game at times. They were both truly awful at QB.

So Morris is a bust. Ruddock is a serviceable QB that is being used to buy the program some time until one of the other guys develops. Trust the staff and let this play out. Stop hating on the kid. He just got here.



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marti221

September 20th, 2015 at 10:40 AM ^

Observing and commenting on the fact that he hasn't been able to make an accurate throw more than 5 yards (and has been shaky on anything less) is "hating?" The purpose of this blog is so us fans can discuss what we see in our team. That's what we're doing. Jake is a big boy, I'm sure he can handle the criticism.



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nappa18

September 20th, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^

Right! Criticizing Rudock is not "hate". True, some of us, me included, consider them "kids" but the fact remains he plays in front of 100,000 plus fans most Saturday's and many many more on TV. His boss (JH) makes $5MM plus. His other "bosses" make combined over $1 million. Might not be fair to the "kids" but that's just the way it is. To opine that he's average at best so far is not hate. Just hope he picks it up a bit in conference play.

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ThirdVanGundy

September 20th, 2015 at 12:58 AM ^

Devin Gardner behind this line and we would be a much better team than we are with Rudock. Gardner made plays when they needed to be made. He made some real dumb decisions but he won us A LOT of games. We also should have beaten a talented SC team if our defense didn't turn into pudding those last few minutes. He also kept us in games vs two far superior OSU teams. His work in the 2013 OSU game was insane. I mean let's not forget the guy has passing records here. A lot of my worrying is my own fault. Jake Rudock was never that good to begin with. Many Iowa fans said that but I ignored it and figured he'd be rock solid for us. Not great, but good. But these past 3 games have given no indication he'll be any good. The only special moment he had was that pass to Butt vs Utah for a td. This team as it stands will be a lot like Wisconsin has been since Wilson left. Good defense and a mediocre at very best QB. The difference is they had some of the best running teams in the country, we don't. Sorry for babbling on and I'll accept all the negs that are likely to come my way but this is frustrating. UNLV is dreadful. Any top 75 team should maul them.

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Ty Butterfield

September 20th, 2015 at 12:58 AM ^

I understand why people are pissed. Michigan has not had consistent QB play in way too long. Just frustrating to see so many INTs. It just makes it worse to see other teams have their starter get hurt (ND, BYU) and they just keep chugging along. The sad truth is Rudock is the best available QB.

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Eye of the Tiger

September 20th, 2015 at 12:58 AM ^

I mean, I did hope Rudock would be better than he has been so far, but this is still last year's team +1 year. And while we are not a great team, the upgrade in coaching has already produced much better performances than we would have gotten with the same roster and the old staff.

Rome wasn't built in a day, so to speak.

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