...this is certainly a departure from the weekly "fire RichRod" and/or "next week is a trap game" topics.
mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
...this is certainly a departure from the weekly "fire RichRod" and/or "next week is a trap game" topics.
I really don't think a contract extension is necessary unless we somehow win the Big Ten or end up with 10 or more wins. Honestly I believe that Rich Rod is here for the long hall and I'm happy for that. That being said, I think the University can probably just relax on Rich Rod's contract atleast until after next season. GO BLUE!!
David Brandon would have to be pretty hard up to pursue an extension for Rod.
Unless we win the big ten or something, I'd rather wait and see what happens next year.
We don't want another year of uncertainty. If Brandon thinks RR is worth retaining for 2011, he should extend his contract. It's SOP for your coach to always have a few extra years on the back end. We can afford any buyout that might be necessary.
But he would have a few extra years. He's under contract til 2013.
This isn't like pro sports. Every college coach has 4-5 extra years on his contract. If you let a coach go to year four of a six-year deal, that's a de facto vote of no confidence - and will be used against us in recruiting.
What Lloyd Carr had (and I'd bet a lot of other coaches have) was a rolling contract, in which his deal was automatically extended by a year everytime a season ended. I expect RR to get something like that if he's retained. I'd be very surprised if nothing were done to his contract.
I don't think Lloyd got his rolling year till 1997. If even 2012 was his last year, he'd probably have to do an extension. With a year after that, he's hardly a lame duck. And after 4-0, 7-5 and 3-5 in the Big Ten is hardly someone you want to tack on a lot of extra years to. So his original point, unless winning 10 games (which might be a bit high...I certainly think 9 could be overachieving, and a good 8 might be worth an extension), I don't know that bringing him back in 2011 automatically means an extension. Because the alternative is if the season doesn't merit on extension, and you're not sure, you should get rid of him. And I'd like to think 7-5 or 8-4 deserves another swing at it, even if one wouldn't want to nominate him "coach for life."
I don't think you understand how this works. Nowadays, every college coach has a bunch of extra years on his deal.. It's considered important for recruiting. If your coach only has two years left on his deal, you're hanging him out to dry. There is no downside to extending a coach's deal, other than that it makes the buyout a little more expensive. That's not a concern for us.
How cheap Michigan is. They've been nickel and diming their athletic department employees for decades. Money does matter. If you have any stats on how many coaches who are on their first contract have more than 2 years oft on their deal, I'd be glad to look at them. Since you're in the know.
His contract should extend at least 4 years in the future so every freshman recruit knows he will be there for their senior year.
When Drew Sharp says it's time, then it's time.
I'm for RR getting an extension and more money. It's easy to see not only how far this team has come but also how they've represented the University of Michigan with nothing but class. RR doesn't make any excuses and the results on offense speak for itself. Once the defense comes around and we get more depth there this team is going to compete each year for a Big Ten and BCS title.
I like your optimism, but I think you might be a little too optimistic/ early. I mean, I'm all for RR being the coach and succeeding, but I think you're going a little overboard here. On several occasions hes made hints that pass blame on to Lloyd for "leaving the cupboards bare". Michigan also was cited for major NCAA violations under his watch (not necessarily his fault blah blah blah, but I don't know that it
"represents the university well"). You also mention that his results on offense "speak for itself". While the offense put up good numbers last year, and through 4 games they've look outstanding this year, we did just play 4 teams, 2 with poor defenses and 2 with questionable defenses.
Also, as another poster pointed out, his value has probably taken a slight hit due to the negative attention hes recieved over the last couple years. If you do extend, to help with recruiting, I don't know how much more money we'd be paying him. I'd be surprised if $/yr went up substantially from what we're paying him now.
So, I like where we're heading, but like many other posters point out, I think it would be smart to wait how we do in the b10 before extending.
when we are preseason number 1 and things are rolling. I think RR will be a MMan for a decade after that.
Some of the detractors of RR, who wanted him gone after this season, are changing their tune and now are willing to wait until Denard is gone before firing RR.
I believe every day RR learns what it means to be the head coach at Michigan. Every day he becomes aware that coaching here is different than most places. This isn't your next job.....it's your final destination.
It's taken some time but he's definitely weaving himself into the fabric of the University of Michigan. While he weaves himself in, he's (hopefully) realizing that he won't have to negotiate any more contracts, so to speak. Our past football coaches have all been rewarded handsomely for doing the job that's expected of them: bringing success on the field, representing the school with dignity, and producing Michigan Men.
I believe RR understands that. If all goes as planned, he'll never have to ask for another dime because he knows that stuff will take care of itself (as it has in the past).
I think people are just being premature on both sides of this. First, although I agree that a contract extension would go a long way with recruiting, but as we all know with Charlie Weis, a contract extension doesn't mean that you WILL be the coach, only that the University is obligated to pay you for the number of years that they have promised. The best thing for RR to do is to win. The sniping will stop and he will be just like any other head coach at a premier institution.
I also think that those who believe that there should be some concrete measurement of number of wins in order to keep the job are also wrong. Dave Brandon had said in the past that there was no specific number of wins that were needed, he just needed to see continued improvement in the team in areas that RR has direct control over. RR can't be held responsible for injuries to his players. He can, in some circumstances, be held responsible for athletes who have clearinghouse issues and transfers. This reflects poorly on the University.
Lastly, I think the magnitude of the University's response will be inversely correlated to the number of wins the team has. High number of wins =little repercussion. Just keep winning, it cures all ills.
I'm still not convinced, and I wouldn't extend his contract just yet.
1. We started out 4-0 last year.
2. Our defense doesn't look much better
3. Without Denard we would be 2-2 right now.
4. The NCAA still looms
10-2 RR gets a new contract
9-3 RR keeps his job.
8-4 It's a toss up
7-5 RR packs his bags
"Without Denard we would be 2-2 right now."
First of all, what do you mean "we?"
Secondly, you don't know that Forcier and/or Gardner couldn't have helped win the first four.
Third, why do you expect Michigan to apologize for having Denard on their team? Most of the other elite programs that recruited Denard refused to give him a chance to play QB. It was RR and Michigan who gave him the chance to fulfill his goals and play QB, not the other teams.
So-called "fans" who make statments like yours about "their" team should be forced to wear a scarlet "L" tattoo on their foreheads for the duration of football season.
Without Mallet Arkansas would be X-Y. Without Player P, team D, would be X-Y. you are looking at a well-oiled offense structured to take very good advantage of an incredible player, so that is a strike against RR? Really? And, as previously mentioned, the other QBs look like they would be fully capable of running this offense to Ws, albeit it may need to be re-focused a bit for their particular talents and DG needs a bit of seasoning, but he is further along this year than Denard was last year.
... but there is a time and a place for that.
I have to say when I saw that POS offense that Saban has at Alabama I wouldn't trade RichRod for any coach in America right now.
Great post, RR has the best job in college football. He knows this is a destination not a stepping stone. Michigan will take care of him as long as he does not embarrass the program, which he has not done. I believe it will be evident next year that RR has not forgotten how to coach just because he is in the Big 10, football is football no matter the conference and he is a top 5 coach. He is a good fit for us and we are a good fit for him we will be Big 10 champs next year. If you think I don't have a clue check our schedule next year. The schedule is one of the reasons the Haters want him gone this year and No Class Harbaugh here. I am not a fan of the Domers but what that coach did with his timeout at the end of the game was a no class act by an overblown fool. BTW your choice of beer is of course exellent, do you enjoy Founders brews at the moment I am enjoying a Dirty Bastard.
His record is 11-16, after starting this year 4-0. We have one of the worst defenses in the Big Ten and have yet to enter conference play. Our special teams are groveling at the bottom of the statistics list. A bunch of recent recruits have just left the program. We started 4-0 last year and ended the year 5-7. Then there is this little issue with the NCAA.
Let's give him a ten year deal just like ND did with Weis, or appoint him crown prince like USC did with Kiffin.
Let's wait a year or two and see how things turn out. I can't believe we are having this discussion.
point of order: RR's record is 12-16. And the issue with the NCAA is little, worst case scenario.
I am not saying give him 10 years. But the guy has been through hell, some self inflicted, some not. It would be nice to give the guy a vote of confidence. And if you don't think this team is going to be really good next year and the year after then so be it. Can I remind you that we start 1 senior on offense, and return all of our receivers, backs and quarterbacks.
You're looking at this backwards. The best thing for Michigan is to avoid having a lame-duck coach. All college coaches have lots of extra years on their contracts. No AD will ever let his coach's contract come close to expiring, because that sends a message to the world that the coach is a lame duck - and thus recruits should steer clear. Giving a coach an extension is SOP. It doesn't make him bulletproof. Tommy Amaker had a ton of years left on his contract when we fired him.
Part of the reason our program fell apart in the first place is that Carr's last couple of recruiting classes were weaker than usual. Uncertainty over the future of the program almost certainty was a factor there. If RR goes into next year with two years on his deal, a recruit will ask, "Are you going to be here as long as I'm here?" If he can't answer that affirmatively, do you think he'll land that recruit?
A good athletic director is either 100% committed to his coach or fires him. You can't do it halfway.
Juries still out overall.
are you William Clay Ford?
If I understand this correctly, Rich Rodriguez has a 6 year deal. He'd currently in the third year of that. The recruiting cycle takes two years. Programs negotiate with coaches two (at least) years out.
Right now Coach Rodrigez is 12 - 16 overall with a winning record against Notre Dame. However, in the Big Ten he's 3 - 13. Now IANRR and IANBD, but I think that both sides would like to sit down with the coach being above 0.0500 in conference. For that to happen, he has to win 5 games this year and sweep the conference -- including the championship -- next year. Wouldn't that be great!! However, as things stand, that's seems more a schoolboy daydream. Not to be a bummer, but would you want to sit down with your boss with a sub 0.500 recoed in what you do?
What to do? The offense seems to be coming together. If Michigan wins 14 of conference games over the next two years, obviously extend. What if the next two years the conference record is so-so and the NCAA is a little harsher on us than we were on ourselves? Give one year to see how it goes with normally aged personnel?
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