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RR v. Trent article
I know the whole topic has been beaten to death, but just saw this article this morning and it was just released, so thought I would put up the link. It is an interesting read from the perspective of an NFL insider: http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/rich-rodriguez-morgan-trent-f...
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May 13th, 2010 at 10:59 AM | Mushroom Cloud (Score:1)
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Here we go again!

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:00 AM | BOOM... (Score:1)
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...Gil Brandted.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:02 AM | Lets keep it (Score:1)
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DEAD!

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:04 AM | Despite the inevitable snide (Score:1)
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Despite the inevitable snide remarks, that was actually a pretty interesting read.  Thanks for sharing.  Side note, what the heck is Morgan Trent doing in that photo?

Touchdown Michigan!

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:22 AM | My guess based on past (Score:1)
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My guess based on past evidence, he is either

A) Fumbling the football after an interception, or

B) Dropping an interception.

C) Running onto the field to intercept a Nick Sheridan wounded duck.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:29 AM | That pic (Score:1)
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That pic looks to be his kick-off return fumble versus Wisconsin 2008. All is well that ends well.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:51 AM | Incredible (Score:1)
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an interesting article - that appears to be well-researched - from Dave Birkett of all people.  Aside from his immaturity in how he has treated Demar Dorsey, he just isn't a very talented or professional journalist.  Yet this story was well-written. 

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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May 13th, 2010 at 6:11 PM | This isn't entirely fair to (Score:1)
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This isn't entirely fair to Birkett.

He made a bad comment but some context is needed. See http://www.annarbor.com/sports/annarborcom-apologizes-for-inappropriate-remark-made-during-live-chat/

"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."

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May 13th, 2010 at 6:44 PM | He only did that (Score:1)
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Because of the backlash he received. I guess this is speculation on my part, but it seems correct.

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:22 PM | It's a pretty lame Thursday where I'm at (Score:1)
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so thanks for posting. Mr. Brandt's comments make complete sense versus what was initially put out. Sorry, Morgan perhaps you weren't quite as good as you thought you were...

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. ~Dan Birdwell

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:06 AM | I feel bad for RR. He has to (Score:1)
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I feel bad for RR. He has to deal with so much unnecessary shit. I bet if he knew this was how he'd be treated he wouldn't have left WVU.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:17 AM | Honestly (Score:1)
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I always hope that Michigan succeeds, but now I'm hoping for RR's sake as well.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:09 AM | It is actually a good read (Score:1)
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It is actually a good read and kind of important. 

Summary:  A lot of what coaches say doesn't matter at all b/c the scouts watch all the tape and talk to all kinds of ancillary people the player associates with, and watches practices to see how hard they work.  RR was never even contacted by anyone after the pro day, so never even had a chance to bad-mouth Trent.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:44 AM | You forgot the best part ... (Score:1)
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The scouting report on Trent:

As for why Trent fell to the sixth round, Brandt pulled out a scouting report and offered a simple explanation.

He ticked off the positive attributes that led him to rank Trent the 18th-best cornerback in the 2009 draft, a projected fifth-round choice - good bloodlines (his father played football and mother swam at Nebraska), prototype size (6-foot-1 and 195 pounds) and a 38-inch vertical jump and the speed to outrun Ted Ginn in high school track meets - and a slew of negatives.

“Does not play with confidence, instincts are just average and does not show awareness on route recognitions,” Brandt said. “Tight in the hips, choppy backpedal, he’s late out of his breaks, weak tackler, gives up too many big plays, questionable ball skills … Struggles off man coverage … I’m not sure that he had the physical temperament either to play the safety position.

Like we've been saying - Morgan just wasn't that good ...

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:09 AM | This is actually worthy of a thread.. (Score:1)
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...not for the "old news," but for David Birkett showing objectivity. 

After Rosenpuke, Shyster, and Dull,who really don't count as writers anyway, "Sparty Dave" is the last writer I would expect to actually allow the facts to speak in RR's defense.  Could this be the beginning of a new era of objectivity at Ann Arbor Dot Com?

I hope so.  It would certainly make them a lot better read, and it might even get them more clicks.  I wonder if they have figured that out yet?

 

 

 

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:24 AM | lol (Score:1)
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Tater, your AA.com comments always crack me up.  Can I +1 for a post on a different site?  I think I can...

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:19 AM | Great Article (Score:1)
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Thanks for the link.

Like Birkett's writing and analysis. At the most basic level, Morgan Trent is showing a failure to take responsibility for his own actions. I have to drill this into my own kids EVERY DAY:  take responsibility for yourself. What happens with someone else isn't the issue:  the issue is whether or not you are doing what you are supposed to. As regards Trent, it is easier to blame things on RR or others than to look at himself in the mirror, and what he did, and what he didn't do.

At this point, it is water over the dam. Time to move on. However, I believe RR, believe Carr, and still think there are too many people out there who either have it in for Rod, or have it in for Carr. Brian's reference to Occam's Razor in his mea culpa would be well used by all of us. It would be very unlike either RR or Carr to throw a player or the program under the bus. Therefore, there must be another, simpler explanation. In this case, 3 simple explanations:

1)  Trent's failure to take personal responsibility for his poor work habits.

2)  Handlers, agents & friends telling Trent what he wanted to hear (not your fault, Trent.)

3)  Slimy writer dragging RR's name through the dirt to make the book more saleable.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:39 AM | A lot of bad advice (Score:1)
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I'm tending to lean toward simple explanation #2...an agent/handler telling Trent what he wanted and maybe needed (to boost confidence for NFL scouts) to hear. Then, when he didn't live up to the talk, he naturally wanted to know what happened. Instead of owning up, the handlers/agents shift attention to an easy target...mean ole RR.

Seems like this is a good lesson for all pro-hopefuls. Don't trust most of the stuff people tell you. They have alterior motives and no matter how much they appear to be on your side, they're ultimately on their own side.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:50 AM | 2a. (Score:1)
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scouts, coaches, assistants, front office telling Trent negative stuff to get his response and test his psyche, kind of like the Dez Bryant questions abouth his mom being prostitute, they say anything they want b/c they hold the purse strings.  Anyway, from the beginning how could anyone reasonably believe a CB could be responsible for a 3-9 record?  C'mon, didn't the author even watch any of those games? Trent didn't take any snaps that year. 

AA was able to find an indicative pic, seems to be Trent's fumble during punt return against Wisc.

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May 13th, 2010 at 11:22 AM | Sucks (Score:1)
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What can we do with this?    Objectivity, reporting, fact checking, insight.   Waste of time.   You just killed the internet.

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:17 PM | Don't worry (Score:1)
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All will be restored in Birkett's next story about RR stance on the clubbing of baby seals.  I pulled this directly form a BETA version of the article:

Rodriguez has been heard numerous times in huddles and timeouts as saying, "Ya gotta hite 'em!  Hit 'em as hard as you can and don't stop!"  No one has seen Rodriguez strike an actual seal himself, but there can be no denying that he is the leader of an underground baby seal clubbing cult while posturing as a college football coach.  And he has fangs.  And hates America. 

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:27 PM | It's called "Failure to (Score:1)
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It's called "Failure to promote a culture of non-clubbing."

I am being Twitters

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:28 PM | Exactly -- why talk to someone who knows NFL scouting? (Score:1)
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May 13th, 2010 at 12:32 PM | Close... (Score:1)
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But that's not where he stuck his head;

I am being Twitters

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:18 PM | Dave Birkett. (Score:1)
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The guy has a mixed record.  But I, for one, will keep reading him, with interest.

In recent months he:

1.  Helped defend Rich Rodriguez in the wierdly overblown story (thanks to reporting by Mark Snyder of the Free Press that can only be regarded as deliberately malicious) about the mention of "Katrina" at the Football Bust.  Birkett helped develop the story (that MGoBloggers were among the first to report) that Regent White was the first speaker to metion "Katrina", and she actually dwelt on the subject at length.  As opposed to Rich Rodriguez's thoughtful allusion to "a hurricane" in passing, with, literally, a nod to Regent White.  Something that Mark Snyder never mentioned, and never corrected.

2.  Engaged in some dubious bloviating about Demar Dorsey.

3.  Authored this latest column which substantially lays waste to the poorly-researched and defamatory story by Bobby Deren, that Rich Rodriguez "bad-mouthed" Morgan Trent.  The information that exculpates Rich Rodriguez continues to pile up (Rodriguez denial, Lloyd Carr denial, Morgan Trent backpedaling, no supportive witnesses), and this story by Birkett helps.  I seriously don't know of anyone now, other than Bobby Deren, who is backing up Deren's characterization of Rodriguez.  And for reasons that are utterly inexplicable, Deren won't reveal any of his confidential NFL scout "sources."

If Dave Birkett is batting .666 based on this short list, he's WAAAAAY ahead of Mark Snyder at the Free Press.

 

 

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:35 PM | Fooseball is the devil! (Score:1)
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You mean 0.667?

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May 13th, 2010 at 1:29 PM | +1 for you. (Score:1)
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And +.001 for me.

 

 

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:38 PM | agreed (Score:1)
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I think the Demar Dorsey thing was blown slightly out of proportion.  Overall, I think Birkett does a decent job.  He's not a great journalist or writer, but he works for AnnArbor.com.  We shouldn't expect Pulitzer-quality work.

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:36 PM | Isn't this exactly (Score:1)
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what dudes with access and connections should be doing with those things?  Tim and Paul don't have these things and probably couldn't have done an article like this.  If their UM sports dudes start figuring out that they fit in along side of Mgoblog, we could see some pretty decent columns like these on a regular basis.

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May 13th, 2010 at 12:54 PM | Now that. (Score:1)
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is  how an article should be written.

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May 13th, 2010 at 1:13 PM | excellent article (Score:1)
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This was a very well reasoned article that actually brought in a knowledgable source.  Let's give credit to writers we sometimes hate when they take the time to get something right and speak clearly.  This was not a page hits generating article.  But it was a good one.

The agent theory is one I suspect is correct.  Agent lures player with sky-high projections, then he's wrong and he's backpedalling. 

Player: I thought you said I would go in the 2d to 4th round!

Agent: That's what the scouts and personnel were telling me, unfortunately . . .

So Morgan Trent hears this -- music to his pride-wounded ears, and walks away satisfied.  Later he shares the news with Carr, who politely says "that's too bad Morgan" (rather than "uh...no dummy, it was the million big plays you gave up").

I recently met and talked at length with an NFL agent.  I was fascinated, envious, and apalled.  It is a crazy world.  And a world where you tell a player just about anything to keep him happy and thinking you're smart.
 

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May 13th, 2010 at 1:23 PM | Props to headline writer (Score:1)
Raoul
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who summed up this whole farcical story in one phrase:

"much ado about nothing"

Twitter: @Raoul_000

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May 13th, 2010 at 1:24 PM | I find this story interesting (Score:1)
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I find this story interesting for a couple of reasons.

First, it is significant that RR came out with a second statement that actually has a claim whose veracity (or voracity) can be verified (or unverified): namely, RR is claiming he has never sought out any scouts for any purpose, and, except re BG, only talks to them at the UM senior day. This would be an extremely bizarre place to badmouth one of your own players, obvs., so it is likely that it never happened.

This is a much stronger rebuttal than his previous one, which I interpreted more or less as "I spoke to scouts but didn't badmouth Trent." Making the falsifiable claim that he only spoke to scouts at the senior day makes his story much more believable to me.

Second, the testimony of Brandt lends much credence to Lloyd's story: if what Brandt says is true, that scouts wouldn't care much about what a coach said about a player, Lloyd would certainly have known this. Thus, even if he heard that RR was saying disparaging things about Trent, he certainly wouldn't have rushed off to tattle, and if asked by Trent, he might have just given a calm, "yeah, I've heard some of that too," never intending it to mean "OMG RR is sooooo talking about you behind your back!!!"

So basically, this story to me makes RR and Lloyd look even better, Trent look even more whiny, and Deren look even more hacky.

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May 13th, 2010 at 4:00 PM | Rich Rodriquez (Score:1)
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I can't wait until we start winning again this year and everyone will fall in love with Rich Rodriquez and so many fans will have "been so loyal to him the whole time."

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May 13th, 2010 at 7:14 PM | So true! (Score:1)
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And once he starts winning he can finally get that "g" back in his name!

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May 14th, 2010 at 9:08 AM | Why do you persist (Score:1)
Bosch
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in changing RR's last name even after multiple people have graciously corrected you?

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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