gambling establishment etc
...and delicious food metaphors aside, with RR there would not have been a BCS bowl, much less a victory. Hoke & Co. didn't "just" do anything...they patched together a mess and improved a powerful offense.
Yes, they were mainly RR's guys, yes, he recruited some people. But one look at how RR's classes panned out shows us a lot to be desired. And recruiting is only part of the picture...it's coaching, coaching, coaching.
Yes, RR created a powerful offense...and whenever we faced an offense that didn't bite on Denard's read, we were quickly dismissed.
As good as the offense was, before getting shut down, the defense was equally inept, if not worse. And the longer our defense was inept, the less time our offense got a chance to even step out on the field.
I still get chills thinking about UMASS driving down the field for the better part of an entire quarter.
So, yeah, RR is to be credited for recruiting and developing guys on the offensive side of the ball. But as the win against Illinois and the embarrassment against Miss State showed...
...we weren't going to step up to any elite status anytime soon.
And I am not a RR basher. I wish he would've had more support at Meeeeeeeechigan. But more than anything else, I wish he would've had someone who could coach defense.
Because half of a football team isn't even worth talking about.
love the guy.
Yeah part of the cake he baked was great - the offense. The other part of the cake (the defense) was like the cake that the maid gave to the evil boss in The Help.
Yes, a yummy shit cake.
Actually, I think it was a shit pie.
Well, the evil boss actually liked it until she found out what was inside. I don't think anyone liked the defense at any point.
RR's comments are partially about the past, but at this point mostly about the future ... specifically the next 3 years at U of A.
He does not have a loaded arsenal of players. He's going to have to "build from scratch" the U of A program just like he said he had to do with Michigan.
By pointing back and saying he wasn't given enough time he's building the case for the U of A fans to give him the time.
And they will ... Arizona is not a football school like Michigan. I live in Tucson and I can tell you there's pretty much no buzz whatever on a game Saturday around here.
He'll get four or five years at least.
In hindsight I wonder if Brady Hoke privately told Brandon he was lucky he decided to hire him. If he had kept RR for another year Hoke would have brought his SDSU team into the big house kicked our asses. Anybody doubt this? They would have run the ball at will. Maintained possesion keeping RR's one deadly weapon Denard on the bench.
RR's not a bad guy but his ego is definately over inflated pretty badly. Think about it, there are coaches with NC rings and conference championship rings from conferences where they actually play top tier football that arent nearly as cock sure full of themselves as RR. His resume consists of something like 2 big east championships(outright)2 typical 8-4 shared titles and 2 repectable BCS bowl wins against good teams. Sorry man but you're not Nick Saban, Pete Carrol, Les Miles,Bob Stoops,Lloyd Carr, Urban Meyer, Gene Chizic, Mac Brown, Jim Tressel or Chip Kelly. You dominated a schedule full of powder puffs for 2 yrs and your tricky offense caught a couple of traditional BCS powers offguard and beat em. You've proven yourself capable, but not YET exceptional. Michigan was one chance for you to do that and you failed. Reasons aside the record book will say you failed. Now you have a chance to prove yourself exceptional again. Good luck to you. I suggest a little more humility for starters.
I think it's something that Brandon would have realized without Hoke saying anything. Or maybe Brandon hired Hoke because he wanted at least one guarenteed victory, who knows. Let's be honest, there was an insane strategic advantage for Michigan for that game to the point that it was pretty evident that Borges was just testing plays out in the second half. I don't see Hoke ever telling Brandon he was lucky though, he's probaly still moping over not winning the Big Ten Championship. Or hopping around the country recruiting. Or both.
I do agree with your assessment that they probably would have lost to SDSU under RR. Rocky Long perfected his version of the 3-3-5, which is the perfect defensive scheme against the spread. RR's offense wouldn't have stood a chance since they never really had to deal with a defense like that before. Hoke would still be the DL coach (because he was both the HC and DL coach at SDSU - hardcore). Actually, they would still have all their other coaches. They had a very strong offense with Lindley and Hillman and Borges at the helm. Hoke also learned how to coach for playing in the Big House after bringing in Ball State in 2006 and seeing Davis struggle with how loud the crowd was. That may seem trivial, but it didn't seem like Rocky Long really prepped his team for playing in such an environment. Add to all of that, it'd be Hoke's job interview. The man wanted that game scheduled for a reason - and it wasn't to just visit old friends.
Is RichRod bitter? Yeah. Not sure I can blame him though.
What were we ranked when he took over?? weren't we like 5th? I'm not sure if that's starting from scratch. I know we were switching schemes, but i don't know how you get handed a 5th ranked team and say that you are starting from scratch.
we were ranked like #25 in the AP and unranked in the coaches going into 2008 iirc
We were ranked 5th going into "The Horror".
I don't know, people are saying he's bitter and this and that - When I read that article there's nothing he says that's not true or that I don't agree with.
Good luck to him at U of A.
Hoke Uber Alles - man noone could have seen how the last few years have played out - unreal
In the context of RR, their commentary is disappointing.
I supported RR while he was the coach here but the poor performance of his defense during his final season ended his coaching career here! Brandon may be a genius! Coach Hoke looks to be on the road to success here. If he keeps recruiting the way he is, it will not be too much longer before we become a true powerhouse in the B1G and nationally as well. Best of luck to you RR in Arizona! But I'm a Hoke supporter 100%!
Rodriguez should write no comment on the blackboard 500 times.
He was almost finished baking a cake. Too bad it was carrot cake.
This was the first thing about RR that had me going "uh oh."
He said things that just didn't need to be said. Like pointing out specific blame on a player which although maybe true doesn't seem like you are defending your team. Then saying stupid things like we'll beat Ohio State when we're better than them. I'm glad to know it never has to do with effort or intensity.
The Mississippi State game AKA the Horrorbowl vs. the Virginia Tech game shows exactly why RR failed and he only has himself to blame for his D coordinators. Even with expected improvement in players just from playing an extra year the defense would have improved but RR's would have had no chance of keeping us in the game against VTech.
The kicking game problems weren't his fault but he is blind if he doesn't see the contributions Hoke, Mattison, and co have made on this team that he could have never contributed to.
Being a Michigan fan is like owning stock in Berkshire Hathaway, you're looking for steady returns, long-term growth with very calculated risks. You're not overly concerned about the short-term growth especially if they are founded on recent market bubbles/trends (like housing or the spread offense).
If the fund manager, say Warren Bo-ffet, retires and is replaced by a new hot-shot manager. The new manager could have been very successful at another hedge fund but is unlikely to win over the stockholders by bucking tradition. The stock needs a manager who understands the inherent powers of each of its holdings, works dillengently to understand everything that's going on and is smarter than his/her competitors to take risks when probability is on your side. When the economy goes into a recession, the best defense are the stable, conservative holdings the manager has kept and shored up.
I liked RR, but he wasn't the guy to manage this program. He'll be successful at Arizona because it's a different company. It's a small emerging market fund that's poised to allow change and growth, it just will never be the large, AAA rated stock Michigan is.
because I know how it goes (been here before). I loved RR and will always want him to succeed, but even I (one of the most loyal RR supporters) have to laugh at the idea that he would have had as successful a year as Hoke.
I think his offense would have been great but his defense would have been his problem and one I don't think his offense could have overcome to the tune of 11 wins. I think RR's biggest problem was his loyalty. I know it is hard to fathom that loyalty could be a problem, but when you can't bring yourself to get rid of the dead weight you had on staff to give yourself a better chance to succeed, it is a problem.
At the end of the day I wish RR the best of luck and will likely cheer for AZ evrytime they play unless they meet UM. Having said that, Hoke and company have made it very easy to get over what was the RR era with the atmosphere they have created within the footbal program and I couldn't be happier with how things turned out.
funfetti cake doesn't work in the B1G.
I did not read all 182 comments to see if someone mentioned this, but Rich is looking fit and tan. He apparently hasn't been eating much cake.
Been holding out for a worthy comment for point #100, letting the game come to me, but I finally had to force the shot.
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Does richrod bring up michigan in these interviews or does he get asked about michigan. If he's asked about M, then he's put in a bad spot. Kind of like when Eli was asked if he was a top level quarterback before this last season. Nevertheless, he could still answer the questions without being so bitter.
and I don't know why it hasn't before, is the number of posters saying they "loved" RR. Maybe it was just two or three, but still....
I understand it from former players or coaches or people actually associated with the program in some every day capacity, but if you love a football coach, be it Rich, Lloyd, Mo or Bo, who you've never even met, your credibility is in doubt on any issue concerning him.
If RR wins the sugar bowl in 4 years with Arizona, I might be open to seeing his point.
If RR wins the sugar bowl in 4 years with Arizona, I might be open to seeing his point.
I think, all things considered, he has been pretty tight-lipped about the way everything went down. I am not going to get all heated up the occasional mild comment. It has been disturbing to see people on twitter react like RR took about a full-page NYT ad to whine about Michigan.
Bill Frieder, Steve Fisher, Tommy Amaker, Brady Hoke, Rich Rodriguez, Mike Debord, Ron English, Stan Parrish, too name a few, were all M coaches who went on to be HC's at other schools. When they went to these other schools to coach, I paid little to no attention to their careers. Just not enough hours in the day for me to care.
Honestly until word started filtering out of Ball State about Brady Hoke and ties to M, and the fact that Lloyd Carr was a fan of his, I didn't even know who he was.
Give it about 5 years and RR will be a distant memory, someone rarely discussed on these boards and ancient history to the general population.
The cake is a lie.
Man RR really loves those arms bands...
I wish he went into more detail. I know exactly how he feels and the sentiment is not totally without merit, but unless he explains what his plans were for fixing the defense it doesn't mean anything. What's he gonna say, he would have hired Greg Mattison too?
He probably "deserved" another year, but Michigan took a gamble that we could do better by not doing right by Rodriguez, and it worked out pretty well. Rodriguez has a right to be pissed because he was misused, but he ought to acknowledge there were some MAJOR problems that he had something to do with that someone else was left to fix, not least relationships with alumni which probably needed more than a Sugar Bowl win to salve.
Any time you're whining about what you deserved without acknowledging your own culpability, you're basically just whining.
How does this thread fit within the Board's policies, if it has any, on the subject of Coach Rodriguez? I suspect that because this is a fan site, that is essentially for entertainment purposes, the important thing is that everybody mostly agrees, and that the subject matter and the tenor of the discussion be pleasing to the Board's major demographic group.
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Why..what? Pleasing demographic groups?
Only policy-like wire this trips is that all things Rich Rod tend to start 200-post threads with flame wars and people banned. Almost always, the newsworthiness of whatever Rich Rod said is not worth inevitable descent into madness.
This is the Wild West. If Brian makes a policy, and we remember it, we might enforce it. With this one, I was in Europe and saw the thread after it was already shoved most of the way down the board and filled with replies and people were generally behaving, so, okay, whatever.
You're wrong about the purpose of the site; it's to be informative, not entertaining. There's a huge, huge, difference.